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CDAGRIZ said:
Yeah, I guess it’s kind of inevitable. We’ve all had that wacky Sociology professor who suggested students should revolt against the government (true story, UM). Heck, I had a Contracts professor who said all contracts were a result of unequal bargaining power due to injustice. You just write the paper you think they want to read, get your grade, and continue thinking for yourself like your parents hopefully taught you at a young age.
So true. The "better" profs might make it more of a trick to figure what they want, but it was pretty easy for most. As part of my gen-ed requirement, I took a class where we studied "modern" literature and non-fiction. "Modern" in this case turned out to be the period from about the Gay Nineties to WW-II (think "The Great Gatsby").

For one paper -- just for the Hell of it -- I turned in an analysis of Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf," since it fit the period. I figured the guy might like to hear how the text gave an insight into Hitler's wacko-ness ... and I was right (mostly). Almost in passing, I mentioned that people might have predicted the horror that was about happen if they'd taken the work more seriously. I got a good grade. However, he also added a note that he would have liked to see more amplification of how the politicians of the day were too stupid, or corrupt, to heed such an obvious warning. For him, it was pretty much a given that all politicians were one or the other, or both. (This would have been about 1966.) Good information to have for the rest of the semester. ;)
 
Grizfan-24 said:
You have right to political opinions, but as teachers have long known, they come with a caveat. Schools regardless of level are hyper sensitive to political opinions that appear negative or are counter intuitive to the educational mission. I am pretty sure Bobby like most public education employees are required or asked to sign a document affirming such an understanding. Most institution ask their employees to be clearly differentiated from the role as an educator or coach, and when that cannot be clearly disseminated they you need to clearly state I am making this opinion as a private individual. That is principally why you see on most educators twitter and social media accounts "Opinions are my own and not my employer."

But in all honestly, Bobby wouldn't have run afoul of the University on his Arntzen opinion had it not been attached to that god-awful letter. Had his name appeared on a full page of names supporting Arntzen little likely would have happened. The letter was anathema to just about everything the University espouses for its students and athletes. Worse it was the same anti-liberal trope gussied up for the 2021 crowd that had been bouncing around all levels of academia since the 1960's.

As a career educator, I have heard anti-progress criticisms much of the last 20 years whether it be common core, creationism or intelligent design, and sex education. I have attended board meeting after board meeting where parents and community members have railed about liberal conspiracies and brain washing by liberally trained educators. Always clamoring for local control and resistance to national change, but what is absolutely true and mildly ironic about Montana and Idaho where I have spent most of my educational career, few states have granted as much local control to school boards and administration as they have. What this is functionally a collective ignorance by parent groups about how local education policy and curriculum is adopted.

Curriculum is mandated by the state, but districts are free to interpret (especially in Montana) about how they are meeting those standards. You can (per my experience) merely craft a document that matches those standards and from there your local education agency adopts those guidelines and teachers are frankly pretty free to interpret what to teach, how to teach and when. Since there really isn't a follow through on what absolutely must be taught beyond the Smarter Balanced Tests that focus on leveled Math and English level examinations that focus on cognitive skills rather than rote memorization of facts, its hard to even imagine where groups come up the crap they do outside of their own imaginations. Most parental groups that have cast aspersions upon the districts that I have worked in haven't spent a single minute inside a class room and seeing what actually goes on. My goal is to focus on best practices to get the most of my students as I can regardless of ability.

Letters like the one penned in support of Artnzen are laughable in as much as they are offensive. If they really knew what we were expected to do, with the resources we have, and the time we have you'd laugh at the letter in the same way I did. We just don't have time to focus on the petty BS they are always claiming we do. Indoctrinating students takes a ton of time and concert with a lot of people, and I don't have enough hours in the day to do that shit.
"collective ignorance" You lefties can never miss an opportunity to talk down to and diminish Deplorable's opinions and interests. You are the only smart ones in the room. Got it.
 
kemajic said:
Grizfan-24 said:
You have right to political opinions, but as teachers have long known, they come with a caveat. Schools regardless of level are hyper sensitive to political opinions that appear negative or are counter intuitive to the educational mission. I am pretty sure Bobby like most public education employees are required or asked to sign a document affirming such an understanding. Most institution ask their employees to be clearly differentiated from the role as an educator or coach, and when that cannot be clearly disseminated they you need to clearly state I am making this opinion as a private individual. That is principally why you see on most educators twitter and social media accounts "Opinions are my own and not my employer."

But in all honestly, Bobby wouldn't have run afoul of the University on his Arntzen opinion had it not been attached to that god-awful letter. Had his name appeared on a full page of names supporting Arntzen little likely would have happened. The letter was anathema to just about everything the University espouses for its students and athletes. Worse it was the same anti-liberal trope gussied up for the 2021 crowd that had been bouncing around all levels of academia since the 1960's.

As a career educator, I have heard anti-progress criticisms much of the last 20 years whether it be common core, creationism or intelligent design, and sex education. I have attended board meeting after board meeting where parents and community members have railed about liberal conspiracies and brain washing by liberally trained educators. Always clamoring for local control and resistance to national change, but what is absolutely true and mildly ironic about Montana and Idaho where I have spent most of my educational career, few states have granted as much local control to school boards and administration as they have. What this is functionally a collective ignorance by parent groups about how local education policy and curriculum is adopted.

Curriculum is mandated by the state, but districts are free to interpret (especially in Montana) about how they are meeting those standards. You can (per my experience) merely craft a document that matches those standards and from there your local education agency adopts those guidelines and teachers are frankly pretty free to interpret what to teach, how to teach and when. Since there really isn't a follow through on what absolutely must be taught beyond the Smarter Balanced Tests that focus on leveled Math and English level examinations that focus on cognitive skills rather than rote memorization of facts, its hard to even imagine where groups come up the crap they do outside of their own imaginations. Most parental groups that have cast aspersions upon the districts that I have worked in haven't spent a single minute inside a class room and seeing what actually goes on. My goal is to focus on best practices to get the most of my students as I can regardless of ability.

Letters like the one penned in support of Artnzen are laughable in as much as they are offensive. If they really knew what we were expected to do, with the resources we have, and the time we have you'd laugh at the letter in the same way I did. We just don't have time to focus on the petty BS they are always claiming we do. Indoctrinating students takes a ton of time and concert with a lot of people, and I don't have enough hours in the day to do that shit.
"collective ignorance" You lefties can never miss an opportunity to talk down to and diminish Deplorable's opinions and interests. You are the only smart ones in the room. Got it.

Arguing "collective ignorance" with "collective ignorance" Brilliant.
 
Jesse said:
Carpe Diem Griz said:
Love the crazy Cat fans that like to lie and attempt to use Coach Hauck as the reason they are alone in life and try to justify their sad existence.

Actually he is a Griz fan and has been on the site for 6-7 years. He calls things like he sees it, and is not in lockstep with the Hauck suckers. He’s a minority voice but at least he is real.
Uh oh. Mega-xord sighting. I love it when Cat trolls try teaming up.
Yeah, sure. I bet a guy named “catfish” is a real stand up Griz fan.
Or could s/he be just like uncle jessy—a decades long, multiple ban Hauck hater?
Irregardlessnessly, I don’t get it. Why are they forming the mega-xord again? What are they trying to cancel this time?
Are these Lib-cats trying to cancel Hauck? Why? Because of his beliefs?
There’s really nothing worse than trolly lib-cats trying to force their own beliefs on others and cancel those who disagree
 
We’ve all had that wacky Sociology professor who suggested students should revolt against the government (true story, UM). Heck, I had a Contracts professor who said all contracts were a result of unequal bargaining power due to injustice. You just write the paper you think they want to read, get your grade, and continue thinking for yourself like your parents hopefully taught you at a young age.
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Every time I hear about critical race theory, I think of critical legal theory and your example that contracts are all unfair because of historical oppression by capitalists. Any combination of oversimplification and bias can lead to absurd results. And, if such absurdity is questioned, that leads someone to argue that the only motivation must be to cancel the speaker.

I don’t give too shits about Coach Hauck’s politics, but I want him to treat others with respect and win games. As for what he said/did not say about Elsie Arntzen, S.F.W.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
RainierGriz said:
I see your point! I definitely understand that California is not as bad as many others in the country paint it to be. I would imagine that all parents would want teachers to refrain from any political and cultural biases in the classroom, but apparently it’s not that simple

Yeah, I guess it’s kind of inevitable. We’ve all had that wacky Sociology professor who suggested students should revolt against the government (true story, UM). Heck, I had a Contracts professor who said all contracts were a result of unequal bargaining power due to injustice. You just write the paper you think they want to read, get your grade, and continue thinking for yourself like your parents hopefully taught you at a young age.

This just made me dig up a memory of my high school math teacher using an entire class session showing us YouTube videos to try and convince us that 9/11 was an inside job. But yes you’re right, it’s up to parents to get kids off on the right foot so they hopefully don’t turn to boneheaded teachers like that for life insights.
 
RainierGriz said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Yeah, I guess it’s kind of inevitable. We’ve all had that wacky Sociology professor who suggested students should revolt against the government (true story, UM). Heck, I had a Contracts professor who said all contracts were a result of unequal bargaining power due to injustice. You just write the paper you think they want to read, get your grade, and continue thinking for yourself like your parents hopefully taught you at a young age.

This just made me dig up a memory of my high school math teacher using an entire class session showing us YouTube videos to try and convince us that 9/11 was an inside job. But yes you’re right, it’s up to parents to get kids off on the right foot so they hopefully don’t turn to boneheaded teachers like that for life insights.

KKK parents raise little KKK'ers.
 
I will never take for granted how lucky I am to teach in Canada. If you are any kind of high school student by the time you are a Senior your parents shouldn't even be sure what school you go to, it's your life not theirs.
If you are not a teacher, show up and cheer for your kid, raise money for some new band uniforms, and buy your kid's teacher a bottle of scotch at Christmas.
 
fanofzoo said:
RainierGriz said:
This just made me dig up a memory of my high school math teacher using an entire class session showing us YouTube videos to try and convince us that 9/11 was an inside job. But yes you’re right, it’s up to parents to get kids off on the right foot so they hopefully don’t turn to boneheaded teachers like that for life insights.

KKK parents raise little KKK'ers.

Well. That would be the wrong foot, not the right foot. And if parents set their kids up to be bad people, thankfully there are laws against bad people. Such as hate crime laws.
 
RainierGriz said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Yeah, I guess it’s kind of inevitable. We’ve all had that wacky Sociology professor who suggested students should revolt against the government (true story, UM). Heck, I had a Contracts professor who said all contracts were a result of unequal bargaining power due to injustice. You just write the paper you think they want to read, get your grade, and continue thinking for yourself like your parents hopefully taught you at a young age.

This just made me dig up a memory of my high school math teacher using an entire class session showing us YouTube videos to try and convince us that 9/11 was an inside job. But yes you’re right, it’s up to parents to get kids off on the right foot so they hopefully don’t turn to boneheaded teachers like that for life insights.

You were in high school after 9/11? :shock:
 
RainierGriz said:
fanofzoo said:
KKK parents raise little KKK'ers.

Well. That would be the wrong foot, not the right foot. And if parents set their kids up to be bad people, thankfully there are laws against bad people. Such as hate crime laws.

Please tell this to the former guy and his staff, I don't think he read the memo.
 
SaskGriz said:
I will never take for granted how lucky I am to teach in Canada. If you are any kind of high school student by the time you are a Senior your parents shouldn't even be sure what school you go to, it's your life not theirs.
If you are not a teacher, show up and cheer for your kid, raise money for some new band uniforms, and buy your kid's teacher a bottle of scotch at Christmas.

:thumb:
 
wbtfg said:
RainierGriz said:
This just made me dig up a memory of my high school math teacher using an entire class session showing us YouTube videos to try and convince us that 9/11 was an inside job. But yes you’re right, it’s up to parents to get kids off on the right foot so they hopefully don’t turn to boneheaded teachers like that for life insights.

You were in high school after 9/11? :shock:

Good point, WBTFG.

I thought eGriz was an exclusive 55+ Adult Living Community.
 
fanofzoo said:
RainierGriz said:
Well. That would be the wrong foot, not the right foot. And if parents set their kids up to be bad people, thankfully there are laws against bad people. Such as hate crime laws.

Please tell this to the former guy and his staff, I don't think he read the memo.
Or the new guy defunding the police.
 
kemajic said:
"collective ignorance" You lefties can never miss an opportunity to talk down to and diminish Deplorable's opinions and interests. You are the only smart ones in the room. Got it.

ah yes, the non-fan kem has spoken again, and it is again to denigrate someone else. that's all you got. pathetic.
 
Ursa Major said:
wbtfg said:
You were in high school after 9/11? :shock:

Good point, WBTFG.

I thought eGriz was an exclusive 55+ Adult Living Community.

:lol: What are we thinking WBTFG stands for? My money is on "Wendy's Burger Tree Frog Group" or "Wednesday Bridge [with] The F*cking Gals".
 
kemajic said:
fanofzoo said:
Please tell this to the former guy and his staff, I don't think he read the memo.
Or the new guy defunding the police.

Personally, I blame Dukakis for this rain we're getting. Freakin' commie, I have a tee time at 7:56 tomorrow and I know they're gonna make it walking only.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Ursa Major said:
Good point, WBTFG.

I thought eGriz was an exclusive 55+ Adult Living Community.

:lol: What are we thinking WBTFG stands for? My money is on "Wendy's Burger Tree Frog Group" or "Wednesday Bridge [with] The F*cking Gals".

Won’t be traipsing (on my) fucking grass.
 
Ursa Major said:
CDAGRIZ said:
:lol: What are we thinking WBTFG stands for? My money is on "Wendy's Burger Tree Frog Group" or "Wednesday Bridge [with] The F*cking Gals".

Won’t be traipsing (on my) f###[#] grass.

Huh. I always thought it stood for “We bear tiny faulty genitalia”.
 
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