Cancel Culture

[retiredpopo]

meh if people get so twisted over a little politics maybe the need some serious help.

 

[cclarkblues]

I avoid politics for a reason. Don’t really want to see it on a football page. I propose any OP that starts a political message in the football or basketball pages should be banned for 1 year.

[I’ve lived in Missoula over 50 years now. I always hear Missoula is a Liberal town but frankly I’ve never seen it here more than anywhere. In fact 95% of my family and friends are either Republicans, Independents or Moderate Democrats. A few are even Facist like Donald Trump, a moderate Democrat all his life./quote]

So should it start with you?

 

[indiancoyote]

Bobby can have his opinion as long as it doesn't cause controversy for the University. Anyone that doesn't think he wasn't directed to clear this up by his supervisors hasn't been following Griz football for the past 10-years. Bobby may have a long leash for wins and losses, but the leash is short when it comes to being part of controversy.

 

[Grizfan-24]

You have right to political opinions, but as teachers have long known, they come with a caveat. Schools regardless of level are hyper sensitive to political opinions that appear negative or are counter intuitive to the educational mission. I am pretty sure Bobby like most public education employees are required or asked to sign a document affirming such an understanding. Most institution ask their employees to be clearly differentiated from the role as an educator or coach, and when that cannot be clearly disseminated they you need to clearly state I am making this opinion as a private individual. That is principally why you see on most educators twitter and social media accounts "Opinions are my own and not my employer."

But in all honestly, Bobby wouldn't have run afoul of the University on his Arntzen opinion had it not been attached to that god-awful letter. Had his name appeared on a full page of names supporting Arntzen little likely would have happened. The letter was anathema to just about everything the University espouses for its students and athletes. Worse it was the same anti-liberal trope gussied up for the 2021 crowd that had been bouncing around all levels of academia since the 1960's.

As a career educator, I have heard anti-progress criticisms much of the last 20 years whether it be common core, creationism or intelligent design, and sex education. I have attended board meeting after board meeting where parents and community members have railed about liberal conspiracies and brain washing by liberally trained educators. Always clamoring for local control and resistance to national change, but what is absolutely true and mildly ironic about Montana and Idaho where I have spent most of my educational career, few states have granted as much local control to school boards and administration as they have. What this is functionally a collective ignorance by parent groups about how local education policy and curriculum is adopted.

Curriculum is mandated by the state, but districts are free to interpret (especially in Montana) about how they are meeting those standards. You can (per my experience) merely craft a document that matches those standards and from there your local education agency adopts those guidelines and teachers are frankly pretty free to interpret what to teach, how to teach and when. Since there really isn't a follow through on what absolutely must be taught beyond the Smarter Balanced Tests that focus on leveled Math and English level examinations that focus on cognitive skills rather than rote memorization of facts, its hard to even imagine where groups come up the crap they do outside of their own imaginations. Most parental groups that have cast aspersions upon the districts that I have worked in haven't spent a single minute inside a class room and seeing what actually goes on. My goal is to focus on best practices to get the most of my students as I can regardless of ability.

Letters like the one penned in support of Artnzen are laughable in as much as they are offensive. If they really knew what we were expected to do, with the resources we have, and the time we have you'd laugh at the letter in the same way I did. We just don't have time to focus on the petty BS they are always claiming we do. Indoctrinating students takes a ton of time and concert with a lot of people, and I don't have enough hours in the day to do that shit.

 

[fanofzoo]

Grizfan-24
Well said.

 

[GGNez]

Grizfan-24
Well said.

+1

 

[horribilisfan8184]

You have right to political opinions, but as teachers have long known, they come with a caveat. Schools regardless of level are hyper sensitive to political opinions that appear negative or are counter intuitive to the educational mission. I am pretty sure Bobby like most public education employees are required or asked to sign a document affirming such an understanding. Most institution ask their employees to be clearly differentiated from the role as an educator or coach, and when that cannot be clearly disseminated they you need to clearly state I am making this opinion as a private individual. That is principally why you see on most educators twitter and social media accounts "Opinions are my own and not my employer."

But in all honestly, Bobby wouldn't have run afoul of the University on his Arntzen opinion had it not been attached to that god-awful letter. Had his name appeared on a full page of names supporting Arntzen little likely would have happened. The letter was anathema to just about everything the University espouses for its students and athletes. Worse it was the same anti-liberal trope gussied up for the 2021 crowd that had been bouncing around all levels of academia since the 1960's.

As a career educator, I have heard anti-progress criticisms much of the last 20 years whether it be common core, creationism or intelligent design, and sex education. I have attended board meeting after board meeting where parents and community members have railed about liberal conspiracies and brain washing by liberally trained educators. Always clamoring for local control and resistance to national change, but what is absolutely true and mildly ironic about Montana and Idaho where I have spent most of my educational career, few states have granted as much local control to school boards and administration as they have. What this is functionally a collective ignorance by parent groups about how local education policy and curriculum is adopted.

Curriculum is mandated by the state, but districts are free to interpret (especially in Montana) about how they are meeting those standards. You can (per my experience) merely craft a document that matches those standards and from there your local education agency adopts those guidelines and teachers are frankly pretty free to interpret what to teach, how to teach and when. Since there really isn't a follow through on what absolutely must be taught beyond the Smarter Balanced Tests that focus on leveled Math and English level examinations that focus on cognitive skills rather than rote memorization of facts, its hard to even imagine where groups come up the crap they do outside of their own imaginations. Most parental groups that have cast aspersions upon the districts that I have worked in haven't spent a single minute inside a class room and seeing what actually goes on. My goal is to focus on best practices to get the most of my students as I can regardless of ability.

Letters like the one penned in support of Artnzen are laughable in as much as they are offensive. If they really knew what we were expected to do, with the resources we have, and the time we have you'd laugh at the letter in the same way I did. We just don't have time to focus on the petty BS they are always claiming we do. Indoctrinating students takes a ton of time and concert with a lot of people, and I don't have enough hours in the day to do that shit.

California dreaming 101. I can't speak to what goes on in San Diego or California except for the cellphone videos from classrooms showing teachers doing every liberal propaganda thing you just claimed are lies.

But I am up to my neck in what goes on in Montana schools. For the most part, those in administrative and elected positions are MEA card carrying democrats. In rural counties a lot of the county superintendent of schools are the only elected democrats. Half of those that are republican, are only so declared to get elected. I can attest parents in rural communities are thrilled with Ms. Arntzen. And I do know that our school board meetings are well attended and the rancher/business/non-educator board members are supported by the parents when they buck the liberal superintendent. Sounds like your schools don't have that kind of parental or community involvement, so I can see why you don't see it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

California dreaming 101. I can't speak to what goes on in San Diego or California except for the cellphone videos from classrooms showing teachers doing every liberal propaganda thing you just claimed are lies.

But I am up to my neck in what goes on in Montana schools. For the most part, those in administrative and elected positions are MEA card carrying democrats. In rural counties a lot of the county superintendent of schools are the only elected democrats. Half of those that are republican, are only so declared to get elected. I can attest parents in rural communities are thrilled with Ms. Arntzen. And I do know that our school board meetings are well attended and the rancher/business/non-educator board members are supported by the parents when they buck the liberal superintendent. Sounds like your schools don't have that kind of parental or community involvement, so I can see why you don't see it.

There are 320,000 public school teachers in California and every one of them is the same. The cell phone video proves it. I’ve spoken to all of them at length, and they’re all on a secret mission to turn our kids into trans-BIPOCs. They never take the advice from the local ranchers here and it shows. They need to stick to the three Rs and the scriptures instead of advancing their agenda to influence kids to vote for them in their scheme to gain wealth and power.

 

[RainierGriz]

California dreaming 101. I can't speak to what goes on in San Diego or California except for the cellphone videos from classrooms showing teachers doing every liberal propaganda thing you just claimed are lies.

But I am up to my neck in what goes on in Montana schools. For the most part, those in administrative and elected positions are MEA card carrying democrats. In rural counties a lot of the county superintendent of schools are the only elected democrats. Half of those that are republican, are only so declared to get elected. I can attest parents in rural communities are thrilled with Ms. Arntzen. And I do know that our school board meetings are well attended and the rancher/business/non-educator board members are supported by the parents when they buck the liberal superintendent. Sounds like your schools don't have that kind of parental or community involvement, so I can see why you don't see it.

There are 320,000 public school teachers in California and every one of them is the same. The cell phone video proves it. I’ve spoken to all of them at length, and they’re all on a secret mission to turn our kids into trans-BIPOCs. They never take the advice from the local ranchers here and it shows. They need to stick to the three Rs and the scriptures instead of advancing their agenda to influence kids to vote for them in their scheme to gain wealth and power.

I love satire as much as the next person, but this seems to be discrediting real concerns for what is acceptable for teachers/curriculum to teach our kids in school.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

There are 320,000 public school teachers in California and every one of them is the same. The cell phone video proves it. I’ve spoken to all of them at length, and they’re all on a secret mission to turn our kids into trans-BIPOCs. They never take the advice from the local ranchers here and it shows. They need to stick to the three Rs and the scriptures instead of advancing their agenda to influence kids to vote for them in their scheme to gain wealth and power.

I love satire as much as the next person, but this seems to be discrediting real concerns for what is acceptable for teachers/curriculum to teach our kids in school.

I have no idea what goes on in Montana. I don’t think my parents ever spoke to one of my teachers/administrators outside of mandatory conferences. With two kids currently public school, I can tell you it’s much different here. There’s constant input/communication/critiques to the point where I’m sure it’s annoying. I’ll tell you this, though: in our particular district, any teacher pushing politics of any kind on kids would be met with a mob of angry parents calling for their termination. And that’s in Californy with a got-damned librul as the Gavinor.

The point is: calling something (anything really) a California problem ignores the size and complexity of this place and shows that someone maybe needs to leave Wibaux once in a while.

 

[Jesse]

Wonder why Coach Vigen did not sign the letter or throw his support behind the SPI? Maybe too busy with just being a coach and doesn’t want to involve politics in his program because it could alienate some recruits and their parents? Just a thought. Lol

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Wonder why Coach Vigen did not sign the letter or throw his support behind the SPI? Maybe too busy with just being a coach and doesn’t want to involve politics in his program because it could alienate some recruits and their parents? Just a thought. Lol

He was busy reorganizing his stamp collection and searching for aliens on his ham radio.

 

[Jesse]

Wonder why Coach Vigen did not sign the letter or throw his support behind the SPI? Maybe too busy with just being a coach and doesn’t want to involve politics in his program because it could alienate some recruits and their parents? Just a thought. Lol

He was busy reorganizing his stamp collection and searching for aliens on his ham radio.

I had no idea he was a philatelist.

 

[Griz02]

Well said -24.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

California dreaming 101. I can't speak to what goes on in San Diego or California except for the cellphone videos from classrooms showing teachers doing every liberal propaganda thing you just claimed are lies.

But I am up to my neck in what goes on in Montana schools. For the most part, those in administrative and elected positions are MEA card carrying democrats. In rural counties a lot of the county superintendent of schools are the only elected democrats. Half of those that are republican, are only so declared to get elected. I can attest parents in rural communities are thrilled with Ms. Arntzen. And I do know that our school board meetings are well attended and the rancher/business/non-educator board members are supported by the parents when they buck the liberal superintendent. Sounds like your schools don't have that kind of parental or community involvement, so I can see why you don't see it.

There are 320,000 public school teachers in California and every one of them is the same. The cell phone video proves it. I’ve spoken to all of them at length, and they’re all on a secret mission to turn our kids into trans-BIPOCs. They never take the advice from the local ranchers here and it shows. They need to stick to the three Rs and the scriptures instead of advancing their agenda to influence kids to vote for them in their scheme to gain wealth and power.

:lol: Serious POTY contender.

 

[RainierGriz]

I love satire as much as the next person, but this seems to be discrediting real concerns for what is acceptable for teachers/curriculum to teach our kids in school.

I have no idea what goes on in Montana. I don’t think my parents ever spoke to one of my teachers/administrators outside of mandatory conferences. With two kids currently public school, I can tell you it’s much different here. There’s constant input/communication/critiques to the point where I’m sure it’s annoying. I’ll tell you this, though: in our particular district, any teacher pushing politics of any kind on kids would be met with a mob of angry parents calling for their termination. And that’s in Californy with a got-damned librul as the Gavinor.

The point is: calling something (anything really) a California problem ignores the size and complexity of this place and shows that someone maybe needs to leave Wibaux once in a while.

I see your point! I definitely understand that California is not as bad as many others in the country paint it to be. I would imagine that all parents would want teachers to refrain from any political and cultural biases in the classroom, but apparently it’s not that simple

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I have no idea what goes on in Montana. I don’t think my parents ever spoke to one of my teachers/administrators outside of mandatory conferences. With two kids currently public school, I can tell you it’s much different here. There’s constant input/communication/critiques to the point where I’m sure it’s annoying. I’ll tell you this, though: in our particular district, any teacher pushing politics of any kind on kids would be met with a mob of angry parents calling for their termination. And that’s in Californy with a got-damned librul as the Gavinor.

The point is: calling something (anything really) a California problem ignores the size and complexity of this place and shows that someone maybe needs to leave Wibaux once in a while.

I see your point! I definitely understand that California is not as bad as many others in the country paint it to be. I would imagine that all parents would want teachers to refrain from any political and cultural biases in the classroom, but apparently it’s not that simple

Yeah, I guess it’s kind of inevitable. We’ve all had that wacky Sociology professor who suggested students should revolt against the government (true story, UM). Heck, I had a Contracts professor who said all contracts were a result of unequal bargaining power due to injustice. You just write the paper you think they want to read, get your grade, and continue thinking for yourself like your parents hopefully taught you at a young age.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

He was busy reorganizing his stamp collection and searching for aliens on his ham radio.

I had no idea he was a philatelist.

It is, by far, the most interesting thing about him. He also likes to play with his model trains and a game a bridge with the gals.

 

[Ursa Major]

I had no idea he was a philatelist.

It is, by far, the most interesting thing about him. He also likes to play with his model trains and a game a bridge with the gals.

Don’t forget the metal lunchbox collection. He recently outbid me on an eBay bid for a sweet A Team box with thermos. Fucker.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It is, by far, the most interesting thing about him. He also likes to play with his model trains and a game a bridge with the gals.

Don’t forget the metal lunchbox collection. He recently outbid me on an eBay bid for a sweet A Team box with thermos. Fucker.

This does it! He has to be stopped!