Can we possibly let these silly comments stand?

[kemajic]

Silly little formula cheat sheet Bozeman.

They can't even write about their accomplishments without displaying their big brother envy by working UM into the article.

Wow, their students enter with a whole ACT point higher than UM! That's worth writing an article about. :lol: If it was 4 or 5 points I would get it. But a single point? Those dorks must not be as good at math as they think they are. Then again you can't really put logic on a cheat sheet, can you?

If you want to go to school with a bunch of science dorks that all wish they were going to UM, now you can also brag about MSU's completely unimpressive single point advantage in a standardized test!

Here's a hint, science dorks. If you want to set yourself apart from UM, quit mentioning UM. The more you mention UM, the more people realize that UM is vastly superior in every way beyond a single point difference in ACT scores.

You can hardly make a post without refering to "science dorks" - on a football forum no less. In fact UM turns out its share of scientists who have little time for dorky attitudes like yours. You don't even exhibit the understanding of the difference between a scientist and an engineer. It's logical you probably never drifted over to that part of campus; the courses are way too hard and relevant. Yeah, the world turns on liberal arts; everyone's hiring them - science envy....

 

[CatzWillRise]

these pooor kitties will pounce on anything to take attention away from their pathetic "football" program....why is this in the football section????

Well it was written by a Griz alum in the Missoulian, and then posted here on the Griz message board by a Griz fan.

So quite literally, we had nothing to do with this.

 

[msuhunter]

Your hatred only makes us stronger :lol:

Seriously, you registered on eGRIZ.com to make 64 (and counting) shots at us. Must be tiresome permanently carrying that chip on your shoulder

Also you misspelled multiple words, but I figured that was too "obvious" of a comeback

Spelling isn't a sign of intellegence hoss. Einstein was a horrilbe speller as are many bright individuals. If you comb through people's comments looking for spelling errros, you have too much time on your hands. Talk about a heavy burden to carry.

 

[msuhunter]

If you sincerely believe half of what you have written in this post, you are either not an MSU alum or student at all, or they have done a very poor job of developing your critical thinking skills.

My critical thinking skills are just fine. It's sad but true: Liberal arts degrees, which is the majority that UM offers (except for something like pharamacy, which is a good program), are worthless today. These college degrees mean nothing, unless one goes on to some sort of professional program (PhD). Engineering, Architecture and Nursing are some of the only relevant degrees today, thanks to this grand notion that everyone "should" go to college.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Can we possibly get this thread removed and placed somewhere more appropriate? This forum is about football, not academics! :whocares: :lame: :msugrad: :msugrad: :msugrad:

 

[GrizLA]

Missoula attracts the lesser types, obvioulsy.

Yes, but Missoula has some flaws, too.

LOL....it is called snow...

 

[Silenoz]

Your hatred only makes us stronger :lol:

Seriously, you registered on eGRIZ.com to make 64 (and counting) shots at us. Must be tiresome permanently carrying that chip on your shoulder

Also you misspelled multiple words, but I figured that was too "obvious" of a comeback

Spelling isn't a sign of intellegence hoss. Einstein was a horrilbe speller as are many bright individuals. If you comb through people's comments looking for spelling errros, you have too much time on your hands. Talk about a heavy burden to carry.

Hoss?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Can we block users on this site? And I didn't have to "comb" through your comment, they jumped out at my face

 

[Tokyogriz]

Academics of MSU vs U of M are apples and oranges due to the very different majors offered, at least the majors that each school is specialized in. MSU has their engineers and nurses we got lawyers, foresters and journalists.

I would be interested to see how much grant money MSU generates vs Montana. It would be a good indicator of the actual academic success of each program in their chosen specializations.

But just comparing student ACTs to each other has little actual real world value in determining a "better" or "worse" school.

 

[number1debater]

Let me resolve this,

msu gives guaranteed scholarships based soley on act scores. Hence, they would get more students to attend by offering scholarships based purely on acts.

Can we please get back to football? 80 days til ass-whooping number 70!

 

[grizatwork]

Stupid arguement. Engineers, architects, nurses -vs- lawyers, pharmacists, physical therapists, journalists. Each school puts out very good professionals in their related fields. I personally would not trade my liberal arts education in Missoula to be at a school where there ACT score was a little higher. I was also in a field (physical therapy) that was only offered in Missoula. If I were to be an engineer, I would probably be saying the same thing about my time in Bozeman.

On the grant money generated, I do believe that MSU would win that one hands down. That has been an emphasis there for longer than it has been at UM. They have done an excellent job generating grants.

msuhunter, it is easy to take pot shots at journalists and lawyers. My guess is that you would never cut it in those fields. They have their own challenges. A free press has exposed a lot of things in this country would never have come to the open without talented journalists. You took a shot at "ambulance chasers?" Aren't you clever? Never heard anyone attack lawyers before :roll: Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.

 

[wbtfg]

Let me resolve this,

msu gives guaranteed scholarships based soley on act scores. Hence, they would get more students to attend by offering scholarships based purely on acts.

MSU does that for out-of-state kids, but according to their website the in-state kids (which is what the initial news article is about) are required to complete an application which takes into account leadership, honors, activities, GPA, ACT/SAT scores, and even requires an essay.

In contrast, UM's in-state freshman scholarship program only looks at the students' application for admission. Which tells them GPA and ACT/SAT scores and potential major.

 

[wbtfg]

I personally would not trade my liberal arts education in Missoula to be at a school where there ACT score was a little higher.

Nothing wrong with that...I think we MSU grads were pretty excited to see that most of the top (by ACT standards anyway) students in the state are choosing MSU. Certainly UM is a great fit for some students and not others, just like Carroll, MSU, Harvard, Dawson CC...etc.

I was also in a field (physical therapy) that was only offered in Missoula.

Just for clarification. The graduate program is only offered at Missoula. A student can pretty much do their undergrad anywhere and apply to UM's PT program. I know lots of PT's who graduated from UM's PT program, and did their undergrad elsewhere.

 

[Born2BaGriz]

Please let football start soon. I am so tired of this Dick measuring contest. Bottom line is they are both fine schools in educating those who wish to be educated. Eighteen year old kids choose schools based upon financial situations, family situations and how things feel to them. I'm was of those who thought I would attend MSU to study engineering. Hell, I was even featured in the local paper one month when I was named the Rotary Club Boy of the Month that I was going to attend MSU. But then I wasn't impressed on a campus visit and decided that if I were to attend a school for engineering it would be Tech or Colorado School of Mines ( Dad was a Denver Universty grad and we had family in Colorado). However, I visited UM and things just seemed to fit. I have never wished that I had done anything but attend UM. That being said, I know lots of people who have similar stories or in some cases started at one school or the other and transferred. For kids that do above norm in high school, they will tend to do well in college because they WANT to learn and are goal driven. There are success stories out of are smaller schools in the state too, but because their enrollments tend to be 2000 instead of 14000, you just hear less about it. So, after all of this. I just don't care. For me UM is far superior to MSU, but that isn't the case for others. So stick in back in your pants, zip it up and lets pack the house on Saturday!

 

[grizpsych]

Wow this article is pointless. I wonder what Harold Urey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Urey) would think if he knew that Montana State was the engineering school in Montana and that ACT scores are higher at MSU than at UM.

Perhaps, he would think, ACT scores are only moderately correlated with academic performance at the university level. He may also think, who cares what a kid scored on a test in high school, what did he/she do after high school? Did he/she isolate deuterium and discover heavy water? Or did he/she take another path after college and help a company like Nike?

 

[wbtfg]

I wonder what Harold Urey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Urey) would think if he knew that Montana State was the engineering school in Montana and that ACT scores are higher at MSU than at UM.

Harold Urey is just another science dork...so who cares what he thinks.

Regards,

dub-foncy

 

[griz4life]

I attended both schools. My wife taught at MSU in the engineering school. I would have to say MSU and Montana aren't that different. For a state school, MSU is an OK engineering school just like Montana has an OK pharmacy school.
Last I checked, the business schools on both campuses were the biggest major.
Of course every bobcat posting on egriz is an engineer.Right?

 

[griz8791]

I wonder what Harold Urey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Urey) would think if he knew that Montana State was the engineering school in Montana and that ACT scores are higher at MSU than at UM.

Harold Urey is just another science dork...so who cares what he thinks.

Regards,

dub-foncy

Dub-foncy and msuhunter apparently share the same odd idea that they can decree an individual person's value to society based on his or her undergraduate major alone.

 

[dub-foncy]

I wonder what Harold Urey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Urey) would think if he knew that Montana State was the engineering school in Montana and that ACT scores are higher at MSU than at UM.

Harold Urey is just another science dork...so who cares what he thinks.

Regards,

dub-foncy

Did I strike a nerve? Even your screen name screams your UM envy like so many science dorks scream at each other over who has solved the most equations.

Average MSU incoming ACT score - 24

Average UM incoming ACT score - 23

Just because 50 more yahoos from Montana scored high on their ACTand were too skeered to leave home for college doesn't all of sudden make MSU this elite academic institution.

MSU is roundly considered a VERY average to below average university completely on par with UM.

In fact, in the real world where 99.5% of not-Montana America lives, most people correctly assume that UM is the better more rounded school since we are the state's flagship and aren't "state". All the ACT scores in the world will never change that you went to Montana STATE and we went to UNIVERSITY of Montana. You're doing a fine job of convincing yourself otherwise.

 

[IdaGriz01]

FWIW:
William Bowen, et al, Crossing the Finish Line, Princeton University Press (September 1, 2009).
Bowen is former president of Princeton University and the studies reported encompassed over a quarter-million students at scores of colleges. One major conclusion: "The SAT and ACT do not matter in predicting college success. … High school GPA is three to five times more important in predicting college graduation than SAT/ ACT score."
So let's just stop, all right? :dead:

 

[stubbins]

If you sincerely believe half of what you have written in this post, you are either not an MSU alum or student at all, or they have done a very poor job of developing your critical thinking skills.

My critical thinking skills are just fine. It's sad but true: Liberal arts degrees, which is the majority that UM offers (except for something like pharamacy, which is a good program), are worthless today. These college degrees mean nothing, unless one goes on to some sort of professional program (PhD). Engineering, Architecture and Nursing are some of the only relevant degrees today, thanks to this grand notion that everyone "should" go to college.

hmmmm. I should let my wife know these facts. Her stupid little communications degree has her making close to six figures...she should go back to school, maybe in Bozeman?