Can someone please tell me...

[Grisly Fan]

What's in it for her? Who the hell knows but people DO make false allegations. That's a fact. Is her's false? I have no idea but obviously just because she made an allegation doesn't mean it is true. Thankfully there will be legal proceedings to try to figure it all out.

 

[yakgriz]

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/05/brian_banks_not_guilty_of_rape_play_for_nfl_chargers.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...it does happen and I have no idea what really happened in the JJ deal, but this guy does deserve his day and court, and just because someone says something happened doesn't always make it so...go read the story of Brian Banks, and how his accuser admitted she lied...after he spent 6 years in prison...

 

[Boscoe]

what the defendant gets as a reward for going to trial against JJ?

Wouldn' t a conviction in criminal court improve her chances in civil court? Maybe she's hoping for a pay day in civil court after a potential conviction.

 

[CrunchGriz]

I apologize. I thought you were armchair diagnosing her without insider knowledge. So yes, I would agree that her mental state is not healthy. However, her poor state could be because of either past experiences or because she was raped. My question is: What does someone get out of coming forward?

Given that on average there are roughly 10 false reports of rape in the US per year, what makes those "10" people falsely report? Note. This is a really small number compared to the data that says 1 in 4 women are raped in their life time.

I'm interested in where you get this number. The Wikipedia article noted below sets out the available studies on the subject. Of note in this article are a recent study of rape accusations at a northeastern university over a ten-year period (5.9% false accusations), and another that summarized all the other studies (generally agreed rate of false accusations is between 2% and 8%).

Given the 2005 US DOJ study that found the horrific number of 191,000+ rapes and sexual assaults that year in the US (probably not an atypical year), I can't figure out how you calculated only 10 cases per year of false accusations. Even at the low end of the false accusation spectrum, that equates to almost 4,000 false rape and sexual assault claims per year in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[ordigger]

Did this even happen the night of the Forrester's Ball? I keep seeing people posting that, but if you read the Motion to Dismiss I see the following....

Page 3

On February 3, 2012, Doe attended the Forrester's Ball.....

Page 4

....The following day, Jordan texted Doe....

On or about February 4, 2012. Defendant sent a text message to Jane Doe suggesting they get together...Doe went to to Jordan's house around 11:00 pm

So according to the affadavit, the night of 3rd (Friday) was the night of Forresters Ball, yet they didnt get together until about 11 pm on the 4th (Saturday).

So

 

[Ursa Major]

Did this even happen the night of the Forrester's Ball? I keep seeing people posting that, but if you read the Motion to Dismiss I see the following....

Page 3

On February 3, 2012, Doe attended the Forrester's Ball.....

Page 4

....The following day, Jordan texted Doe....

On or about February 4, 2012. Defendant sent a text message to Jane Doe suggesting they get together...Doe went to to Jordan's house around 11:00 pm

So according to the affadavit, the night of 3rd (Friday) was the night of Forresters Ball, yet they didnt get together until about 11 pm on the 4th (Saturday).

So

The Forester's ball is a two night event. They apparently both went on Friday night and then met on Saturday night.

 

[ordigger]

Did this even happen the night of the Forrester's Ball? I keep seeing people posting that, but if you read the Motion to Dismiss I see the following....

Page 3

On February 3, 2012, Doe attended the Forrester's Ball.....

Page 4

....The following day, Jordan texted Doe....

On or about February 4, 2012. Defendant sent a text message to Jane Doe suggesting they get together...Doe went to to Jordan's house around 11:00 pm

So according to the affadavit, the night of 3rd (Friday) was the night of Forresters Ball, yet they didnt get together until about 11 pm on the 4th (Saturday).

So

The Forrester's ball is a two night event. They apparently both went on Friday night and then met on Saturday night.

But nothing that shows they attended the Ball on Saturday night. It states she went to his house to get him. Yet I keep seeing people post they were at the Ball together. Just a small thing I picked up on.

 

[Grizbeer]

what the defendant gets as a reward for going to trial against JJ?
3) Back to the main point, no one carries out a behavior that has no possibility of reward. So, other than the victim actually feeling that she was raped and justice being her reward, I don't know what she would gain.

Like you I don't know the true story, who is right or wrong, but using your hypothetical situation of why should some one accuse another of rape, and go to trial if they knew they hadn't been raped?

Perhaps when this entire thing started she never intended to go to trial against Johnson. Maybe when it started she only intended to punish Jordan Johnson by filing a retraining order against him, and maybe get him kicked out of school, and things spiraled out of control from there. Maybe she felt violated, used and abused as it were, and equated this to being raped, perhaps even without realizing the consequences of accusing someone of rape.

 

[grizindabox]

Did this even happen the night of the Forrester's Ball? I keep seeing people posting that, but if you read the Motion to Dismiss I see the following....

Page 3

On February 3, 2012, Doe attended the Forrester's Ball.....

Page 4

....The following day, Jordan texted Doe....

On or about February 4, 2012. Defendant sent a text message to Jane Doe suggesting they get together...Doe went to to Jordan's house around 11:00 pm

So according to the affadavit, the night of 3rd (Friday) was the night of Forresters Ball, yet they didnt get together until about 11 pm on the 4th (Saturday).

So

The Forester's ball is a two night event. They apparently both went on Friday night and then met on Saturday night.

It did not happen the same night they both attended the Forester's ball. Some of the items being noted occurred on Friday night at the Ball, but the encounter in question was Saturday Night/Sunday Morning.

 

[Ursa Major]

Did this even happen the night of the Forrester's Ball? I keep seeing people posting that, but if you read the Motion to Dismiss I see the following....

Page 3

On February 3, 2012, Doe attended the Forrester's Ball.....

Page 4

....The following day, Jordan texted Doe....

On or about February 4, 2012. Defendant sent a text message to Jane Doe suggesting they get together...Doe went to to Jordan's house around 11:00 pm

So according to the affadavit, the night of 3rd (Friday) was the night of Forresters Ball, yet they didnt get together until about 11 pm on the 4th (Saturday).

So

The Forrester's ball is a two night event. They apparently both went on Friday night and then met on Saturday night.

But nothing that shows they attended the Ball on Saturday night. It states she went to his house to get him. Yet I keep seeing people post they were at the Ball together. Just a small thing I picked up on.

I don't believe they attended the ball on Saturday. They were both at home. I also haven't seen anything that said they went to the ball together.

 

[GrizPony]

Like most Missoulian readers and defenders, Ore-swigger was unable to realize that the Forester's Ball was a two day event until about five posts ago. She/he/it relied on the Missoulian for information and it wasn't in there, however there were cool stories about a gang rape that never happened. :roll:

 

[Grisly Fan]

what the defendant gets as a reward for going to trial against JJ?
3) Back to the main point, no one carries out a behavior that has no possibility of reward. So, other than the victim actually feeling that she was raped and justice being her reward, I don't know what she would gain.

Like you I don't know the true story, who is right or wrong, but using your hypothetical situation of why should some one accuse another of rape, and go to trial if they knew they hadn't been raped?

Perhaps when this entire thing started she never intended to go to trial against Johnson. Maybe when it started she only intended to punish Jordan Johnson by filing a retraining order against him, and maybe get him kicked out of school, and things spiraled out of control from there. Maybe she felt violated, used and abused as it were, and equated this to being raped, perhaps even without realizing the consequences of accusing someone of rape.

I believe that this is entirely possible and given that she ostensibly had suffered PTSD in the past (for some unknown reason); she is a troubled person to begin with. That could heighten her sense of being wronged. Once a zealous victim's advocate gets ahold of such a person, who knows how their views could be molded? I'd imagine they could even be convinced that they had a duty to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law to help all others who were afraid to do so. Or of course JJ could just be guilty as charged. One can only speculate at this point.

 

[go96griz]

what the defendant gets as a reward for going to trial against JJ?
3) Back to the main point, no one carries out a behavior that has no possibility of reward. So, other than the victim actually feeling that she was raped and justice being her reward, I don't know what she would gain.

Like you I don't know the true story, who is right or wrong, but using your hypothetical situation of why should some one accuse another of rape, and go to trial if they knew they hadn't been raped?

Perhaps when this entire thing started she never intended to go to trial against Johnson. Maybe when it started she only intended to punish Jordan Johnson by filing a retraining order against him, and maybe get him kicked out of school, and things spiraled out of control from there. Maybe she felt violated, used and abused as it were, and equated this to being raped, perhaps even without realizing the consequences of accusing someone of rape.

I believe that this is entirely possible and given that she ostensibly had suffered PTSD in the past (for some unknown reason); she is a troubled person to begin with. That could heighten her sense of being wronged. Once a zealous victim's advocate gets ahold of such a person, who knows how their views could be molded? I'd imagine they could even be convinced that they had a duty to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law to help all others who were afraid to do so. Or of course JJ could just be guilty as charged. One can only speculate at this point.

I'm not saying it happened in this case, but once a false claim is made (regardless of the original purpose), things begin to escalate, and there is a point of no return where it's very hard to change your original story to the truth.

 

[ordigger]

Did this even happen the night of the Forrester's Ball? I keep seeing people posting that, but if you read the Motion to Dismiss I see the following....

Page 3

On February 3, 2012, Doe attended the Forrester's Ball.....

Page 4

....The following day, Jordan texted Doe....

On or about February 4, 2012. Defendant sent a text message to Jane Doe suggesting they get together...Doe went to to Jordan's house around 11:00 pm

So according to the affadavit, the night of 3rd (Friday) was the night of Forresters Ball, yet they didnt get together until about 11 pm on the 4th (Saturday).

So

The Forester's ball is a two night event. They apparently both went on Friday night and then met on Saturday night.

It did not happen the same night they both attended the Forester's ball. Some of the items being noted occurred on Friday night at the Ball, but the encounter in question was Saturday Night/Sunday Morning.

Yeah thats what I said.