Can Anyone Tell Me..................

[PlayerRep]

Exactly what is your purpose here anymore..

I told you so's ?
See I was right ?
No one listened to me when I said .. ?

Its getting old.
Your a class A (wait, make that 1-AA) douche bag and everyone knows it. You're all smiles and a happy happy good guy in person and then turn into a huge DICK online.

If you don't like the team, find a new one to piss on.

Girl, don't go away mad.. just go away.

'Nuff Said
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P.S. Directed DIRECTLY at Alpha.. in case it wasn't clear.

Are you still mad that your friend has 11 DUIs and I called him on it?

Anytime you want to chat face to face you know where to find me and I will gladly talk about any topic you want.

Enjoy Oregon...............

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No, you're just a two faced prick, not mad about the DUI guy..
Although that was about as shitty a thing a person could do. You could really use some therapy.

Enjoying OR just fine, thanks for asking.

Good to see a post from you. You are missed, greatly. Also, thanks for speaking up on Alpha. You have known him longer than perhaps anyone on the board. You are right. Alpha is two faced prick, very dishonest, and an embarrassment to UM.

 

[GrizMusician]

Exactly what is your purpose here anymore..

I told you so's ?
See I was right ?
No one listened to me when I said .. ?

Its getting old.
Your a class A (wait, make that 1-AA) douche bag and everyone knows it. You're all smiles and a happy happy good guy in person and then turn into a huge DICK online.

If you don't like the team, find a new one to piss on.

Girl, don't go away mad.. just go away.

'Nuff Said
--------
P.S. Directed DIRECTLY at Alpha.. in case it wasn't clear.

Are you still mad that your friend has 11 DUIs and I called him on it?

Anytime you want to chat face to face you know where to find me and I will gladly talk about any topic you want.

Enjoy Oregon...............

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk

You're the one who openly drinks & drives... talk about hypocrisy.

 

[poorgriz]

I think PR calling someone else "an embarrasment to UM" is pretty funny. Speaking of which, PR, can you finally admit that UM football has a definite problem of continual, repeated, criminal behaviour, despite all your attempts to explain away all the incidents?

 

[Copper Griz]

BH = BP. Just did not get caught.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

WaGriz..I agree that good kids need to be recruited. The point I am making is there needs to be an environment of discipline to keep order. I do not think Pflu projected that and the players did not fear being punished for a violation.

 

[grizfan47]

It will be interesting to see what the upcoming season brings with a well respected new coach at the helm. How will bad actions be dealt with and by whom?

 

[Evizzerate]

Why did Kevin Frank leave?

 

[bingo]

cclarkblues is asking the right questions. And no matter what anybody says, there are no easy answers.

Any player who is accused of misconduct deserves some due process. The question is, what process is due? Obviously, the university doesn't need to do an investigation of a student athlete's potential misconduct that establishes proof of guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," or anything like that, but how about "a preponderance of the evidence" or "clear and convincing evidence" or some other reasonable standard?

You can't just say "no due process." That's B.S. Peoples' lives can be ruined by completely false accusations. You have to do some fact-finding and find out if there's anything to the charges, whether they're civil or criminal. And in criminal cases, like it or not, it might be completely reasonable to defer to the criminal justice system.

And, in deciding what the penalty should be, of course you have to consider: (1) the seriousness of the "offense," (2) whether the student-athlete has been in trouble in the past, (3) how the student-athlete responds to the investigation (i.e., does the individual cooperate fully, does the individual tell the truth, does the individual express a genuine intent to change his/her behavior), etc.

It's easy to say that people should be fired or not fired, that kids should be kicked off a team or not, etc. Any idiot can have an opinion on that stuff. What's hard is being in a position of responsibility to make those kinds of decisions.

It looks to me like the University needs to devote a whole lot more resources to investigating these types of matters and making educated decisions on what should be done in response. And it can't be left completely to the coaches - they don't have the time or expertise. The AD needs to be very involved in these decisions, in consultation with the coaches and the people who do the compliance work.

Like I said, it's not simple. So let's all be civil and discuss it like adults. Wait, I don't mean "adult" as in that other thread.

Good post. The AD and others, including the president and his office, have been involved in most of the recent decisions on discipline.

Most recently JJ. AD, Gee and Lopatch made the initial decision to let him return to practice, but he didn't return on that first Friday because they had to get Engstom's approval.

Kemp/Johnson - O'Day, Foley and I believe Engstrom made or approved the decision. Perhaps Gee and others too.

Wilson/biting - Foley, O'Day and others made the decision.

I don't think any of the recent discipline decisions were made by Pflu.

I see a pattern

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

well this is confusing. i assumed these two were close buddies. wasn't it alpha trying to pool together funds to get ggg back to montana for cat-griz?! :?

i need to pay more attention. or maybe all the current turmoil is creating griz on griz violence.

Yeah that was me being a two faced prick........I always help out people I dont like.

 

[WaGriz4life]

WaGriz..I agree that good kids need to be recruited. The point I am making is there needs to be an environment of discipline to keep order. I do not think Pflu projected that and the players did not fear being punished for a violation.

But you think the players feared Bobby Hauck's discipline and that is why they never got in trouble :lol: If players staying out of trouble is how you judge an "environment of discipline" than Bobby Hauck had no environment of discipline.

 

[tnt]

WaGriz..I agree that good kids need to be recruited. The point I am making is there needs to be an environment of discipline to keep order. I do not think Pflu projected that and the players did not fear being punished for a violation.

But you think the players feared Bobby Hauck's discipline and that is why they never got in trouble :lol: If players staying out of trouble is how you judge an "environment of discipline" than Bobby Hauck had no environment of discipline.

Whether they feared Bobby or not wasn't near as important as knowing any stupidity on their part would be take care of by the Athletic Department.

I am guessing now what won't happen is that two high profile players accused of being drunk and stupid before a playoff run won't show up in Justice court with a their university vice president and the highest priced attorney in several states on a simple misdemeanor charge to make sure there won't be any disposition of the case until after the playoffs.

 

[WaGriz4life]

WaGriz..I agree that good kids need to be recruited. The point I am making is there needs to be an environment of discipline to keep order. I do not think Pflu projected that and the players did not fear being punished for a violation.

But you think the players feared Bobby Hauck's discipline and that is why they never got in trouble :lol: If players staying out of trouble is how you judge an "environment of discipline" than Bobby Hauck had no environment of discipline.

I am guessing now what won't happen is that two high profile players accused of being drunk and stupid before a playoff run won't show up in Justice court with a their university vice president and the highest priced attorney in several states on a simple misdemeanor charge to make sure there won't be any disposition of the case until after the playoffs.

Neither Gerald Kemp or Trumaine Johnson was drunk that night. That is part of the long list of false accusations made by MPD. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Ya WaGriz, I do think Coach Hauck handled player discipline much better than Pflu did. I remember a playoff game on ESPN where the commentator brought up Hauck's discipline. Pflu showed softness and very poor judgement with his comments about JJ and that likely contributed to his contract not being renewed.
WaGriz, you and I disagree and it is unlikely either one of us will change our minds.

 

[BWahlberg]

Why did Kevin Frank leave?

Didn't really fit in, per what I'm told. The quote given to me was that he thought he should be a starter but wouldn't put the effort into practice at all. Too bad, I thought he'd become a good player and starter this year.

 

[tnt]

WaGriz..I agree that good kids need to be recruited. The point I am making is there needs to be an environment of discipline to keep order. I do not think Pflu projected that and the players did not fear being punished for a violation.

But you think the players feared Bobby Hauck's discipline and that is why they never got in trouble :lol: If players staying out of trouble is how you judge an "environment of discipline" than Bobby Hauck had no environment of discipline.

I am guessing now what won't happen is that two high profile players accused of being drunk and stupid before a playoff run won't show up in Justice court with a their university vice president and the highest priced attorney in several states on a simple misdemeanor charge to make sure there won't be any disposition of the case until after the playoffs.

Neither Gerald Kemp or Trumaine Johnson was drunk that night. That is part of the long list of false accusations made by MPD. You don't know what you're talking about.

So they weren't arrested and charged, they didn't show up with Foley and Milt's firm at their side at their initial appearance and their trial wasn't set until after the playoffs? What did happen?

 

[WaGriz4life]

But you think the players feared Bobby Hauck's discipline and that is why they never got in trouble :lol: If players staying out of trouble is how you judge an "environment of discipline" than Bobby Hauck had no environment of discipline.

I am guessing now what won't happen is that two high profile players accused of being drunk and stupid before a playoff run won't show up in Justice court with a their university vice president and the highest priced attorney in several states on a simple misdemeanor charge to make sure there won't be any disposition of the case until after the playoffs.

Neither Gerald Kemp or Trumaine Johnson was drunk that night. That is part of the long list of false accusations made by MPD. You don't know what you're talking about.

So they weren't arrested and charged, they didn't show up with Foley and Milt's firm at their side at their initial appearance and their trial wasn't set until after the playoffs? What did happen?

Gerald Kemp was shot with a tazor for not hanging up his cell phone while the MPD attempted to do an illegal search and seizure of his apartment. And then all the charges were dropped except for "disorderly conduct" :jack: . That's what happened.

 

[tnt]

Gerald Kemp was shot with a tazor for not hanging up his cell phone while the MPD attempted to do an illegal search and seizure of his apartment. And then all the charges were dropped except for "disorderly conduct" :jack: . That's what happened.

And what happened BETWEEN what you think happened at the apartment (The accusation of an illegal search - no one has been convicted OR charged) and the plea bargain? Thats what we are talking about.

 

[PlayerRep]

But you think the players feared Bobby Hauck's discipline and that is why they never got in trouble :lol: If players staying out of trouble is how you judge an "environment of discipline" than Bobby Hauck had no environment of discipline.

I am guessing now what won't happen is that two high profile players accused of being drunk and stupid before a playoff run won't show up in Justice court with a their university vice president and the highest priced attorney in several states on a simple misdemeanor charge to make sure there won't be any disposition of the case until after the playoffs.

Neither Gerald Kemp or Trumaine Johnson was drunk that night. That is part of the long list of false accusations made by MPD. You don't know what you're talking about.

So they weren't arrested and charged, they didn't show up with Foley and Milt's firm at their side at their initial appearance and their trial wasn't set until after the playoffs? What did happen?

Foley didn't go to court with them. Trials are rarely set immediately after than arrest. The trial date was probably set by the court, without input from the court. Had the matter not been resolved, the trial date would probably have been further postponed.

 

[PlayerRep]

Gerald Kemp was shot with a tazor for not hanging up his cell phone while the MPD attempted to do an illegal search and seizure of his apartment. And then all the charges were dropped except for "disorderly conduct" :jack: . That's what happened.

And what happened BETWEEN what you think happened at the apartment (The accusation of an illegal search - no one has been convicted OR charged) and the plea bargain? Thats what we are talking about.

What happened during that period was that the players' lawyer said and gathered evidence showing that there had been police wrong-doing, the real facts were not as had been reported by the police, it was learned that the taser cop was involved in another inappropriate taser incident (I heard), and the prosecutor decided that he/she had better settle this mess because there were too many credible witnesses and audio/video that didn't support the police version of the facts and the charges. Result: disorderly conduct. Hardly a big deal.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Gerald Kemp was shot with a tazor for not hanging up his cell phone while the MPD attempted to do an illegal search and seizure of his apartment. And then all the charges were dropped except for "disorderly conduct" :jack: . That's what happened.

And what happened BETWEEN what you think happened at the apartment (The accusation of an illegal search - no one has been convicted OR charged) and the plea bargain? Thats what we are talking about.

What happened during that period was that the players' lawyer said and gathered evidence showing that there had been police wrong-doing, the real facts were not as had been reported by the police, it was learned that the taser cop was involved in another inappropriate taser incident (I heard), and the prosecutor decided that he/she had better settle this mess because there were too many credible witnesses and audio/video that didn't support the police version of the facts and the charges. Result: disorderly conduct. Hardly a big deal.

And the illegal search and seizure I was talking about occured when a the Cop "thought he saw an underage drinker" in the apartment in the seconds while the door was opened and closed. He demanded that Gerald let him in the apartment and Gerald refused. That is when the cop became extremely aggressive. You don't know very much about this situation TNT.