Can anyone actually show that Bob Stitt is on the hot seat this season?

[Griz66]

I too hope the Stitt succeeds and is around for many years to come but if he is not on the "hot seat" this year he should be. You don't lose the last 4 games of the year topped off by an embarrassing loss to a crappy Bobcat team at home no less. The wheels fell off and if this is not corrected this year he should be gone. College football coaches are expected to win and if they don't changes are made--that is the reality in the cruel world of college football.

 

[Raider]

As far as the "threshold" goes, if they go 7-4 and there is not a change, then the problem is much more systemic, and reaches well beyond the coaching staff.

 

[spsyk]

There is a high school somewhere in America waiting in anticipation for coach Stitt to be released, with his past accolades and his offensives skills he could bring a school to National prominence.

Just my biased opinion.

With that said I hope the athletes can have an outstanding season in spite of the offense. It is not the athletes it comes down to leadership.

 

[brewskis]

I know some of you are calling me an idiot, but here's the thing. Message boards are often wrong, very wrong, and tend to turn into echo chambers where rumors, inferences, and assumptions are treated like fact because theyve been repeated so many times.

I was just wondering if there's anyone else outside the eGriz community who has also come out and said that Stitt is on the hot seat.

The threshold is 7-4. Stitt knows it. Not a rumor, not an inference, not an assumption.

As evidenced by what, 90? Not trying to start a pissing match but does anyone have tangible proof? Did they witness a conversation or see this in a news story or from an official release by Kent, UM or Coach Stitt?

7-4 is the threshold. This came straight to me from the proverbial high-placed member of the upper echelons of the UM Athletic Department. It will not be reported in the media because UM would never go on record and say this. But Coach Stitt has been told this. Ask yourself this, if Stitt wasn't on the hot seat then why hasn't his contract been extended by even one year. Now there is always a bit of gray area. What if the Griz went 6-5, and somehow still made the playoffs. Then I'm guessing he stays. I don't have an axe to grind here. I like Coach Stitt. I hope, and believe, this year's team will exceed expectations and take us all on a fun and wild ride. I've said many times here before that I believe the Griz are on the front end of a great run and the new Academic Center, the soon-to-be-opened Champion's Center, and yes, even Coach Stitt, are all part of the reason for my optimism. The question was asked if Stitt is on the hot seat and the answer is YES.

This sounds like a very fair and reasonable assessment. I would be disappointed with a 7-4 season because I think this team is better than that, but it wouldn't mean that we have to clean shop. 7-4 could still lead into a playoff run.

If we look at the schedule, I think that by the first weekend in October we'll have a good idea of what kind of team we've got. We have a tough EWU team at home on the 23rd, followed by road games against Portland State and ISU. Beating EWU and winning back-to-back road games would give Stitt a winning record against EWU, and indicate that we are on the right path to finally being consistent on the road. On the other side of the coin, dropping those road games would be equally indicative of a lack of progress.


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[Ursa Major]

I know some of you are calling me an idiot, but here's the thing. Message boards are often wrong, very wrong, and tend to turn into echo chambers where rumors, inferences, and assumptions are treated like fact because theyve been repeated so many times.

I was just wondering if there's anyone else outside the eGriz community who has also come out and said that Stitt is on the hot seat.

The threshold is 7-4. Stitt knows it. Not a rumor, not an inference, not an assumption.

As evidenced by what, 90? Not trying to start a pissing match but does anyone have tangible proof? Did they witness a conversation or see this in a news story or from an official release by Kent, UM or Coach Stitt?

7-4 is the threshold. This came straight to me from the proverbial high-placed member of the upper echelons of the UM Athletic Department. It will not be reported in the media because UM would never go on record and say this. But Coach Stitt has been told this. Ask yourself this, if Stitt wasn't on the hot seat then why hasn't his contract been extended by even one year. Now there is always a bit of gray area. What if the Griz went 6-5, and somehow still made the playoffs. Then I'm guessing he stays. I don't have an axe to grind here. I like Coach Stitt. I hope, and believe, this year's team will exceed expectations and take us all on a fun and wild ride. I've said many times here before that I believe the Griz are on the front end of a great run and the new Academic Center, the soon-to-be-opened Champion's Center, and yes, even Coach Stitt, are all part of the reason for my optimism. The question was asked if Stitt is on the hot seat and the answer is YES.

And you realize that without name(s) this statement is worth the same as a popcorn fart?

 

[brewskis]

There is a high school somewhere in America waiting in anticipation for coach Stitt to be released, with his past accolades and his offensives skills he could bring a school to National prominence.

Just my biased opinion.

With that said I hope the athletes can have an outstanding season in spite of the offense. It is not the athletes it comes down to leadership.

Salty and spicy.


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[kemajic]

Well IMHO the parents don't need to "think" it...the U is implying it by NOT extending him. Not sure at what point during the season they'd pull the trigger on an extension, but if it's going to happen I can't imagine waiting until the very end. Just has put everyone in a very difficult position. He hasn't performed as advertised, affecting his ability to get an extension, which affects his ability to recruit, which can affect onfield performance, which in turn affects his ability to get an extension! A vicious circle he's gotten himself into....

I'm not sure how much the lack of an extension negatively impacts recruiting. After all multiyear contracts are relatively new at UM; we used to give HC's one year contracts and we had a dominant program with a lame duck HC every year.

Yeah, didn't Hauck do single-year contracts from 2007-2009? We didn't seem to suffer recruiting then.

Hmmm....2007-2009...you mean the kids who became starters/contributors in....wait for it....2010-2012??? The beginning of our slide into mediocrity? Newsflash, the kids who took us to back-to-back NC games in '08 and '09 weren't recruited in 2007, 08 or 09. Those kids suffered and struggled under Pflu & Delaney. Now tell me our recruiting didn't suffer.

Hauck had single year contracts all 7 years. Did it impact his recruiting? Check his record. Pflu was 18-7 (12-4 BSC) in his two years after Hauck in spite of major changes to coaches and offense. I don't think the Hauck-recruited kids were suffering so much then.

 

[ordigger]

I know some of you are calling me an idiot, but here's the thing. Message boards are often wrong, very wrong, and tend to turn into echo chambers where rumors, inferences, and assumptions are treated like fact because theyve been repeated so many times.

I was just wondering if there's anyone else outside the eGriz community who has also come out and said that Stitt is on the hot seat.

The threshold is 7-4. Stitt knows it. Not a rumor, not an inference, not an assumption.

You keep saying it, but you have no proof. He can go 6-5, and as long as the team is improving at end of year he will be back. See how I can say it, but have no proof.

It's all for moot anyway, this team is going to go 9-2, and win 1 or 2 games in the playoffs, and Stitt will be our coach for the next ten years.

I could tell you who I've talked with (a person VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 ain't gonna cut it.

I could tell you who I've talked with (two people VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 is fine, with the team improving, and a win over the Cats. See how I did that.

 

[ordigger]

... who's better, and such. The season start soon...the Griz will be 2-1 to start the season...

I may be wrong, but I am fairly sure that the Griz will start the season 0-0. :lol:

 

[uofmman1122]

Well IMHO the parents don't need to "think" it...the U is implying it by NOT extending him. Not sure at what point during the season they'd pull the trigger on an extension, but if it's going to happen I can't imagine waiting until the very end. Just has put everyone in a very difficult position. He hasn't performed as advertised, affecting his ability to get an extension, which affects his ability to recruit, which can affect onfield performance, which in turn affects his ability to get an extension! A vicious circle he's gotten himself into....

I'm not sure how much the lack of an extension negatively impacts recruiting. After all multiyear contracts are relatively new at UM; we used to give HC's one year contracts and we had a dominant program with a lame duck HC every year.

Yeah, didn't Hauck do single-year contracts from 2007-2009? We didn't seem to suffer recruiting then.

Hmmm....2007-2009...you mean the kids who became starters/contributors in....wait for it....2010-2012??? The beginning of our slide into mediocrity? Newsflash, the kids who took us to back-to-back NC games in '08 and '09 weren't recruited in 2007, 08 or 09. Those kids suffered and struggled under Pflu & Delaney. Now tell me our recruiting didn't suffer.

I think a lot of those players from 2007-2009 ended up leaving the team after Pflu took over, but some of the biggest contributors in 2010-2012 were Hauck recruits from that time. Coincidentally enough, our O-Line started to get real bad around 2014, right after the last Hauck O-Line recruits left in 2013.

Here are some big names from those recruiting classes, though:
2007 (only had 5 scholarships)
Ryan Fetherston
JD Quinn

2008
Trumaine Johnson
Charles Burton
Sam Gratton
Greg Hardy
Josh Harris
Gerald Kemp
Ryan Kessman :lol:
Donny Lisowski
Mike McCord
Dan Moore
Jon Opperud
Jabin Sambrano
Alex Shaw

2009
Bobby Alt
Bryce Carver
Brock Coyle
Peter Nguyen
Clay Pierson
Jordan Tripp

Lots of instrumental names, especially for the 2011 resurgence. I don't think the 2012 team was talent-bare, since extenuating circumstances dealt the harshest blow that year.

I think Hauck did a pretty good job recruiting those years, and the real slide occurred after a lot of these players left, IMO.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The threshold is 7-4. Stitt knows it. Not a rumor, not an inference, not an assumption.

You keep saying it, but you have no proof. He can go 6-5, and as long as the team is improving at end of year he will be back. See how I can say it, but have no proof.

It's all for moot anyway, this team is going to go 9-2, and win 1 or 2 games in the playoffs, and Stitt will be our coach for the next ten years.

I could tell you who I've talked with (a person VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 ain't gonna cut it.

I could tell you who I've talked with (two people VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 is fine, with the team improving, and a win over the Cats. See how I did that.

Hey, I don't give two shits whether you believe me or not. I know what I was told, and I know who told me, and unless that person is bald-faced lying to me, I believe (and THEY believe) that at 6-5 he will no longer be the coach.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not sure how much the lack of an extension negatively impacts recruiting. After all multiyear contracts are relatively new at UM; we used to give HC's one year contracts and we had a dominant program with a lame duck HC every year.

Yeah, didn't Hauck do single-year contracts from 2007-2009? We didn't seem to suffer recruiting then.

Hmmm....2007-2009...you mean the kids who became starters/contributors in....wait for it....2010-2012??? The beginning of our slide into mediocrity? Newsflash, the kids who took us to back-to-back NC games in '08 and '09 weren't recruited in 2007, 08 or 09. Those kids suffered and struggled under Pflu & Delaney. Now tell me our recruiting didn't suffer.

I think a lot of those players from 2007-2009 ended up leaving the team after Pflu took over, but some of the biggest contributors in 2010-2012 were Hauck recruits from that time. Coincidentally enough, our O-Line started to get real bad around 2014, right after the last Hauck O-Line recruits left in 2013.

Here are some big names from those recruiting classes, though:
2007 (only had 5 scholarships)
Ryan Fetherston
JD Quinn

2008
Trumaine Johnson
Charles Burton
Sam Gratton
Greg Hardy
Josh Harris
Gerald Kemp
Ryan Kessman :lol:
Donny Lisowski
Mike McCord
Dan Moore
Jon Opperud
Jabin Sambrano
Alex Shaw

2009
Bobby Alt
Bryce Carver
Brock Coyle
Peter Nguyen
Clay Pierson
Jordan Tripp

Lots of instrumental names, especially for the 2011 resurgence. I don't think the 2012 team was talent-bare, since extenuating circumstances dealt the harshest blow that year.

I think Hauck did a pretty good job recruiting those years, and the real slide occurred after a lot of these players left, IMO.

Well apparently your original premise (that Hauck only had one-year contracts from 07-09) was incorrect to begin with, so my argument is moot. As Kem pointed out, he had one-year contracts EVERY year, so there wouldn't be any apparent change to recruiting results as a result of his contract situation changing.

 

[uofmman1122]

Yeah, didn't Hauck do single-year contracts from 2007-2009? We didn't seem to suffer recruiting then.

Hmmm....2007-2009...you mean the kids who became starters/contributors in....wait for it....2010-2012??? The beginning of our slide into mediocrity? Newsflash, the kids who took us to back-to-back NC games in '08 and '09 weren't recruited in 2007, 08 or 09. Those kids suffered and struggled under Pflu & Delaney. Now tell me our recruiting didn't suffer.

I think a lot of those players from 2007-2009 ended up leaving the team after Pflu took over, but some of the biggest contributors in 2010-2012 were Hauck recruits from that time. Coincidentally enough, our O-Line started to get real bad around 2014, right after the last Hauck O-Line recruits left in 2013.

Here are some big names from those recruiting classes, though:
2007 (only had 5 scholarships)
Ryan Fetherston
JD Quinn

2008
Trumaine Johnson
Charles Burton
Sam Gratton
Greg Hardy
Josh Harris
Gerald Kemp
Ryan Kessman :lol:
Donny Lisowski
Mike McCord
Dan Moore
Jon Opperud
Jabin Sambrano
Alex Shaw

2009
Bobby Alt
Bryce Carver
Brock Coyle
Peter Nguyen
Clay Pierson
Jordan Tripp

Lots of instrumental names, especially for the 2011 resurgence. I don't think the 2012 team was talent-bare, since extenuating circumstances dealt the harshest blow that year.

I think Hauck did a pretty good job recruiting those years, and the real slide occurred after a lot of these players left, IMO.

Well apparently your original premise (that Hauck only had one-year contracts from 07-09) was incorrect to begin with, so my argument is moot. As Kem pointed out, he had one-year contracts EVERY year, so there wouldn't be any apparent change to recruiting results as a result of his contract situation changing.

True enough, and the circumstances surrounding said one year deals are very different from Stitt's this year.

I do remember it being reported that Hauck was offered a 3-year deal in 2007, but turned it down.

Either way, it doesn't seem to be affecting Stitt's ability to recruit this year, assuming these kids sign.

 

[Griz90]

The threshold is 7-4. Stitt knows it. Not a rumor, not an inference, not an assumption.

As evidenced by what, 90? Not trying to start a pissing match but does anyone have tangible proof? Did they witness a conversation or see this in a news story or from an official release by Kent, UM or Coach Stitt?

7-4 is the threshold. This came straight to me from the proverbial high-placed member of the upper echelons of the UM Athletic Department. It will not be reported in the media because UM would never go on record and say this. But Coach Stitt has been told this. Ask yourself this, if Stitt wasn't on the hot seat then why hasn't his contract been extended by even one year. Now there is always a bit of gray area. What if the Griz went 6-5, and somehow still made the playoffs. Then I'm guessing he stays. I don't have an axe to grind here. I like Coach Stitt. I hope, and believe, this year's team will exceed expectations and take us all on a fun and wild ride. I've said many times here before that I believe the Griz are on the front end of a great run and the new Academic Center, the soon-to-be-opened Champion's Center, and yes, even Coach Stitt, are all part of the reason for my optimism. The question was asked if Stitt is on the hot seat and the answer is YES.

And you realize that without name(s) this statement is worth the same as a popcorn fart?

You can believe what you like but if you knew me you wouldn't doubt my comment. I don't play BS on here. I know I am a kool-aid drinking Griz fan and booster (see my avatar) and I root for the Griz come hell or high water. I always support the coach, whoever that coach is. The OP asked if Stitt is on the hot seat? I am telling you with authority that he is and he knows it. 7-4 is the threshold. You all can keep beating this horse all you want.

 

[fanofzoo]

You keep saying it, but you have no proof. He can go 6-5, and as long as the team is improving at end of year he will be back. See how I can say it, but have no proof.

It's all for moot anyway, this team is going to go 9-2, and win 1 or 2 games in the playoffs, and Stitt will be our coach for the next ten years.

I could tell you who I've talked with (a person VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 ain't gonna cut it.

I could tell you who I've talked with (two people VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 is fine, with the team improving, and a win over the Cats. See how I did that.

Hey, I don't give two shits whether you believe me or not. I know what I was told, and I know who told me, and unless that person is bald-faced lying to me, I believe (and THEY believe) that at 6-5 he will no longer be the coach.

At 6-5, IMHO he should be gone.

 

[jodcon]

You keep saying it, but you have no proof. He can go 6-5, and as long as the team is improving at end of year he will be back. See how I can say it, but have no proof.

It's all for moot anyway, this team is going to go 9-2, and win 1 or 2 games in the playoffs, and Stitt will be our coach for the next ten years.

I could tell you who I've talked with (a person VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 ain't gonna cut it.

I could tell you who I've talked with (two people VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 is fine, with the team improving, and a win over the Cats. See how I did that.

Hey, I don't give two shits whether you believe me or not. I know what I was told, and I know who told me, and unless that person is bald-faced lying to me, I believe (and THEY believe) that at 6-5 he will no longer be the coach.

If our expectations are considered met at consecutive 6-5 seasons then we're screwed, that should not cut it with this program and their resources.

 

[mondayamqb]

Brint has an optional listing on his house dated Dec.1st. What more does anyone need? End of discussion.

 

[George Ferguson]

I could tell you who I've talked with (a person VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 ain't gonna cut it.

I could tell you who I've talked with (two people VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 is fine, with the team improving, and a win over the Cats. See how I did that.

Hey, I don't give two shits whether you believe me or not. I know what I was told, and I know who told me, and unless that person is bald-faced lying to me, I believe (and THEY believe) that at 6-5 he will no longer be the coach.

If our expectations are considered met at consecutive 6-5 seasons then we're screwed, that should not cut it with this program and their resources.

Fan expectations have zero influence on the 60 minutes that a college football game is played, zero influence on how practices are conducted, zero influence on how hard the scholarship players work, or don't work, zero influence on how coaches coach, or lack of coaching in some cases. You can have the highest or lowest expectations for the Griz on planet earth and whatever happens in between the white lines is gonna happen regardless. And no, I don't believe for one second Stitt, or Reese Phillips or anyone else that is either paid to be involved with UM football, or plays currently for UM football, gets complacent because a fan on a message board might be complacent.

If a fan actually believes his/herexpectations actually affect the fate of the 2017 Griz football season, or the outcome of a game this coming season, then I can say, it's that fan who is actually screwed cause you're living in an alternate universe.

 

[zirge]

hey if anyone who thinks with a 7-4 with this year's schedule that we will have a deep run in the playoffs against a team that will probably be 9-2 or 10-1 is.........well let's say.......has not played the game.
for stitts to redeem himself with the fans he would have to do just this, come in an beat a 9-2+ team and advance to the second round. then, maybe, most of us would say he does have a plan and is a good coach and knows the game and his players and has control over his destiny.

 

[kemajic]

I could tell you who I've talked with (two people VERY in the know), but I won't. Let's just say 6-5 is fine, with the team improving, and a win over the Cats. See how I did that.

Hey, I don't give two shits whether you believe me or not. I know what I was told, and I know who told me, and unless that person is bald-faced lying to me, I believe (and THEY believe) that at 6-5 he will no longer be the coach.

If our expectations are considered met at consecutive 6-5 seasons then we're screwed, that should not cut it with this program and their resources.

Fan expectations have zero influence on the 60 minutes that a college football game is played, zero influence on how practices are conducted, zero influence on how hard the scholarship players work, or don't work, zero influence on how coaches coach, or lack of coaching in some cases. You can have the highest or lowest expectations for the Griz on planet earth and whatever happens in between the white lines is gonna happen regardless. And no, I don't believe for one second Stitt, or Reese Phillips or anyone else that is either paid to be involved with UM football, or plays currently for UM football, gets complacent because a fan on a message board might be complacent.

If a fan actually believes his/herexpectations actually affect the fate of the 2017 Griz football season, or the outcome of a game this coming season, then I can say, it's that fan who is actually screwed cause you're living in an alternate universe.

There are fans and then there are fans that are serious booster/donors to the program. Their expectations very much get the attention of the AD, who just happens to be the HC's boss. So far Stitt has done little to be popular with this group, either socially or with results.