California Travel Ban

[CDAGRIZ]

I don't believe this issue currently required state enacted legislation one way or the other.

what this dude said.

1000%

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Here’s another example. Some people’s values and morals tell them they should kneel during the anthem or turn their back on the flag while others think you should stand and salute the flag. Who’s values and morals are right and gives who the right to judge who’s right.

"Gutless" is the middle name of moral relativists.

When child predators find cover in this bullshit because they identify sexually as a six year old, where will your morals be then? Your position is a ripe example for reductio ad absurdum

I’m assuming you’re talking to me cus you quoted me but we’re on the same side of the argument so what’s up with your little latin lesson?

 

[Yukon]

https://twitter.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1409948014320525319?s=20

 

[SoldierGriz]

The bill is not "anti-trans."

It does not prevent persons transitioning from competing. They are free to do so.

The bill is pro-woman.

Calichina schools will show up.

Is it? It forces transi males to compete at the same type of disadvantage that females are being protected not to mention the double standard or forcing trans males to compete against males yet trans females can not compete against other females.

Allows young women to compete fairly.

Doesn't prohibit anyone from competing...all can do so.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Travel to Idaho, Alabama, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee and Texas has been banned by California and there have been no issues with football. I think someone is trying to stir up trouble where there isn’t any.

Yep...should UCLA field a playoff caliber team and the game is in one of those states...you think they are staying home?

Nope.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Travel to Idaho, Alabama, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee and Texas has been banned by California and there have been no issues with football. I think someone is trying to stir up trouble where there isn’t any.

Yep...should UCLA field a playoff caliber team and the game is in one of those states...you think they are staying home?

Nope.

Crazy talk. UCLA isn't going to field a playoff caliber team in my lifetime. The only certainties for us UCLA fans are pain and incompetence. But, hey, we get to go back to the Rose Bowl this year as fans, so that's something. If you've never been, I highly suggest it. The tailgating is on a golf course.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Is it? It forces transi males to compete at the same type of disadvantage that females are being protected not to mention the double standard or forcing trans males to compete against males yet trans females can not compete against other females.

Allows young women to compete fairly.

Doesn't prohibit anyone from competing...all can do so.

Are young trans-females allowed to compete fairly? Was anyone prohibited from competing prior to the bill?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Yep...should UCLA field a playoff caliber team and the game is in one of those states...you think they are staying home?

Nope.

Crazy talk. UCLA isn't going to field a playoff caliber team in my lifetime. The only certainties for us UCLA fans are pain and incompetence. But, hey, we get to go back to the Rose Bowl this year as fans, so that's something. If you've never been, I highly suggest it. The tailgating is on a golf course.

Ha ha!

 

[SoldierGriz]

Allows young women to compete fairly.

Doesn't prohibit anyone from competing...all can do so.

Are young trans-females allowed to compete fairly? Was anyone prohibited from competing prior to the bill?

Competing fairly...yep.

Many/most transitioning females will dominate females...I've seen it first hand and mat-side at the Texas State Championships.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Are young trans-females allowed to compete fairly? Was anyone prohibited from competing prior to the bill?

Competing fairly...yep.

Many/most transitioning females will dominate females...I've seen it first hand and mat-side at the Texas State Championships.

So it is a double standard then. Trans-males must compete as born but trans-females can't. I mean, this is what 3-7-77 posted and what I was refuting:

"The bill doesn't FORCE anything. It S-I-M-P-L-Y states, an operant word for some of you, if you choose to compete in athletics you compete against the sex you were born with."

 

[Grizzoola]

I think this whole transgender "controversy" is BS. Why/how has it become such an issue lately? Is it "the fashion," the "trendy" thing, now? Never knew of transgender until lately, well into my 80s. Growing up in small MT towns may have isolated me from awareness of it as an issue. Still, why is it now such an issue, unless it's related to voting rights restrictions or the Evangelical Christians.

Ok, what about Bruce Jenner, and countless other athletes, male or female that have competed in the past? I remember there was some question re: Babe Didrickson, who excelled in some sports in the '40s & '50s. No, it's a stupid issue, not deserving mention. Maybe one way to test such athletes is to measure their testosterone level. It's a red herring, far as I'm concerned.

 

[3-7-77]

Proactive.

 

[Jesse]

Is it? It forces transi males to compete at the same type of disadvantage that females are being protected not to mention the double standard or forcing trans males to compete against males yet trans females can not compete against other females.

The bill doesn't FORCE anything. It S-I-M-P-L-Y states, an operant word for some of you, if you choose to compete in athletics you compete against the sex you were born with.

Some guy with a personality disorder cannot compete against your truly biological daughter, and sure as hell isn't allowed in the same locker room.

When 'Bob' voluntarily chose to identify, and become 'Bobbi,' transitioning chemically and maybe surgically, it was an all or nothing move. All the chips aren't the only thing 'left on the table,' so to speak, by doing so. One of those things is the ability to compete athletically against REAL females in school sponsored events.

Those that want to identify as something else, black for instance, doesn't make it so. Dolezal was just another mental patient. One could identify as a pig, but that won't make you Miss Piggy. There are certain things that just cannot be.

I don’t believe it is so black and white because nature isn’t alway perfect. How will you treat people who are born with chromosome abnormalities? Let them decide what they are or let the state tell them what they should be? I’m with Helena on this one, was a made up wedge issue to whip up the base.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

The bill doesn't FORCE anything. It S-I-M-P-L-Y states, an operant word for some of you, if you choose to compete in athletics you compete against the sex you were born with.

Some guy with a personality disorder cannot compete against your truly biological daughter, and sure as hell isn't allowed in the same locker room.

When 'Bob' voluntarily chose to identify, and become 'Bobbi,' transitioning chemically and maybe surgically, it was an all or nothing move. All the chips aren't the only thing 'left on the table,' so to speak, by doing so. One of those things is the ability to compete athletically against REAL females in school sponsored events.

Those that want to identify as something else, black for instance, doesn't make it so. Dolezal was just another mental patient. One could identify as a pig, but that won't make you Miss Piggy. There are certain things that just cannot be.

I don’t believe it is so black and white because nature isn’t alway perfect. How will you treat people who are born with chromosome abnormalities? Let them decide what they are or let the state tell them what they should be? I’m with Helena on this one, was a made up wedge issue to whip up the base.

Let's not conflate a genetic abnormality with a decision made by someone who no longer likes the sex of their birth, please.

 

[3-7-77]

Agreed. Who is whipping up whom's base.

 

[SaskGriz]

Agreed. Who is whipping up whom's base.

Before COVID I paid through the nose to get my base whipped in Vegas. Worth it.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

It would appear that a new consequence of the anti-trans athlete bill will be that the State of California will no longer allow publicly funded trips to Montana. Might have an effect as we host both Cal Poly and Sac State this year.

Actions have consequences… it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Send your concerns to Governor Fuckhead....he and his GOP goons created the problem, now the bullshit trickles down to real humans like us sports fans.

 

[SoldierGriz]

It would appear that a new consequence of the anti-trans athlete bill will be that the State of California will no longer allow publicly funded trips to Montana. Might have an effect as we host both Cal Poly and Sac State this year.

Actions have consequences… it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Send your concerns to Governor f###[#]....he and his GOP goons created the problem, now the bullshit trickles down to real humans like us sports fans.

Give him a call. And, it will have zero impact on you.

 

[3-7-77]

Better to curse the darkness than light a single match, right badlands?

 

[hunt-ducks]

Better to curse the darkness than light a single match, right badlands?

I am all for any decision by Newsome to keep Californians from coming to Montana. Just sayin'.