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Calhoun
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AZGrizFan said:
And then there are fumbles. Nguyen has 195 touches (not including fair catches). Calhoun has 91. Henderson has 65 (not including fair catches). Counts has 32. Favors has 31. AZ, some of these guys have the views, and they will not let facts get in their way.
Makena Simis QB 7-3
Brady Gustafson QB 3-1
Chad Chalich QB 2-1
Ellis Henderson WR 2-2
Joey Counts RB 1-1 -
Jeremy Calhoun RB 1-1
John Nguyen RB 1-0
Ben Roberts WR 1-0
Treshawn Favors RB 1-1
Ryan Burke WR 1-1 1-1
Fahque
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Yeah but Nguyen would have still juked and jived making sure to hit the sides while Calhoun just dives right in up the middle.AllWeatherFan said:
But, scoring is scoring.
In all seriousness though, Calhoun is a great back but he's definitely a freshman. He'll only get better from here.
kemajic said:
Are you serious? :?
YPC is the EXACT stat that spells out a RB's ability to not be "arm tackled". Nguyen obviously has his fair share, but I've seen him have his fucking head almost RIPPED off by facemasking and STILL get 5 yards. I've seen him drag/push the entire pile with him for 2-3 extra yards.
He's gotten MUCH better this year about sticking his foot in the ground and going north/south....not a hell of a lot to complain about. If Calhoun was getting 6 yards a pop----EVERY carry----I could understand it. But he's not. He's apparently getting "arm tackled" a lot too, I guess...
Potomac Griz
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First off, want to say I like Calhoun a lot as a RB. He's going to be a good one.
That said, some of you guys seem to have let Alpha's "Nguyen always fumbles, jukes too much, blah blah blah" trolling crap dictate your opinion on Nguyen. The stats don't lie and neither do the play by plays that AZGrizFan provided in this thread. Nguyen has done a hell of a job this year for the Griz especially considering the struggles we had on the OLine and is not someone who fumbles often.
Nguyen leads the team in rushing (by far) and is averaging 4.7 yards a carry. He's also fumbled 1 time as PR pointed out. That's pretty damn good I'd say.
Yet somehow in the minds of many here he's terrible, fumbles all the time, and always just jukes and loses yardage...
Yeah he does occasionally have to juke someone while in the backfield and yeah he does occasionally lose yardage. You ever stop to think that sometimes when Nguyen is juking in the backfield it's because there are defenders back there as soon as he gets the ball due to a breakdown on the O'line or there's absolutely no hole to run through?
I have a feeling some people would be touting Hermes as a better back if he suited up & did the play by play while running the ball.
That said, some of you guys seem to have let Alpha's "Nguyen always fumbles, jukes too much, blah blah blah" trolling crap dictate your opinion on Nguyen. The stats don't lie and neither do the play by plays that AZGrizFan provided in this thread. Nguyen has done a hell of a job this year for the Griz especially considering the struggles we had on the OLine and is not someone who fumbles often.
Nguyen leads the team in rushing (by far) and is averaging 4.7 yards a carry. He's also fumbled 1 time as PR pointed out. That's pretty damn good I'd say.
Yet somehow in the minds of many here he's terrible, fumbles all the time, and always just jukes and loses yardage...
Yeah he does occasionally have to juke someone while in the backfield and yeah he does occasionally lose yardage. You ever stop to think that sometimes when Nguyen is juking in the backfield it's because there are defenders back there as soon as he gets the ball due to a breakdown on the O'line or there's absolutely no hole to run through?
AllWeatherFan said:
I have a feeling some people would be touting Hermes as a better back if he suited up & did the play by play while running the ball.
kurtismichael
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Fahque said:
That car accident was tough on Jon I think!
Let's look at the last couple games for comparison sake:
MSU:
Nguyen: 0,6,3,5,4,0,-1,3,48,4,3,3,2,4,3,1,2,4,4,12(RZ),-2(RZ),5,-1,8,9,4,12
Calhoun: 1,0,2(RZ),0(RZ),11(TD),3,5,-1,1,6(RZ),3,-2,10(TD),3,0,2,-1(RZ),2(RZ)
Nguyen: 27 carries for 134 yards, 5.0 average, TWO RZ carries for 5 yard average, 3 negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone 5.0 ypc
Calhoun: 17 carries for 45 yards, 2.6 average, SEVEN RZ carries for 4.28 ypc average; 3 negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone: 10 carries for 15 yards for 1.5 ypc average
EWU:
Nguyen: 1,4,2,2,43,6,7,3,2,1,4,13,11,1,2
Calhoun: 5,3,1,1(RZ),3(TD),3(RZ),1(TD),1(RZ),3(TD),0(RZ),1(RZ),4(RZ),-5(RZ),-2(RZ),1(RZ),5(FUM),-1,4
Nguyen: 15 carries, 102 yards, 6.8 average, ZERO Red Zone carries, zero negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone 6.8 ypc
Calhoun: 18 carries, 29 yards, 1.6 average, 1 fumble, TWELVE STRAIGHT Red Zone carries, 3 negative yardage carries. Average outside of red zone 6 carries for 17 yards=2.83 ypc and one fumble
PSU:
Nguyen: 3,1,10,3,2,5,4,5,9,0(RZ),10(RZ),4(RZ),0(RZ)
Calhoun: 2,24,1,-2,1,3,2(TD),1,0,4,3,3
Nguyen: 13 carries, 56 yards, 4.3 average, 4 RZ carries average 3.5, zero negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone 9 carries for 42 yards for 4.67 ypc
Calhoun 12 carries, 44 yards, 3.5 average, 1 RZ carry average 2 yards, 1 negative yardage carry, average outside of red zone 11 carries for 42 yards = 3.81 ypc
Translation: Nguyen is the better runner, better blocker, but for some reason Calhoun is getting the glory in the RZ....
And all that being said, I LOVE Calhoun and am super glad he's a Griz...not trying to knock the lad, just wish people would lay off Nguyen. Kid (and his brother, who was similarly beat down) have played their HEARTS out for the Griz.
MSU:
Nguyen: 0,6,3,5,4,0,-1,3,48,4,3,3,2,4,3,1,2,4,4,12(RZ),-2(RZ),5,-1,8,9,4,12
Calhoun: 1,0,2(RZ),0(RZ),11(TD),3,5,-1,1,6(RZ),3,-2,10(TD),3,0,2,-1(RZ),2(RZ)
Nguyen: 27 carries for 134 yards, 5.0 average, TWO RZ carries for 5 yard average, 3 negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone 5.0 ypc
Calhoun: 17 carries for 45 yards, 2.6 average, SEVEN RZ carries for 4.28 ypc average; 3 negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone: 10 carries for 15 yards for 1.5 ypc average
EWU:
Nguyen: 1,4,2,2,43,6,7,3,2,1,4,13,11,1,2
Calhoun: 5,3,1,1(RZ),3(TD),3(RZ),1(TD),1(RZ),3(TD),0(RZ),1(RZ),4(RZ),-5(RZ),-2(RZ),1(RZ),5(FUM),-1,4
Nguyen: 15 carries, 102 yards, 6.8 average, ZERO Red Zone carries, zero negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone 6.8 ypc
Calhoun: 18 carries, 29 yards, 1.6 average, 1 fumble, TWELVE STRAIGHT Red Zone carries, 3 negative yardage carries. Average outside of red zone 6 carries for 17 yards=2.83 ypc and one fumble
PSU:
Nguyen: 3,1,10,3,2,5,4,5,9,0(RZ),10(RZ),4(RZ),0(RZ)
Calhoun: 2,24,1,-2,1,3,2(TD),1,0,4,3,3
Nguyen: 13 carries, 56 yards, 4.3 average, 4 RZ carries average 3.5, zero negative yardage carries; average outside of red zone 9 carries for 42 yards for 4.67 ypc
Calhoun 12 carries, 44 yards, 3.5 average, 1 RZ carry average 2 yards, 1 negative yardage carry, average outside of red zone 11 carries for 42 yards = 3.81 ypc
Translation: Nguyen is the better runner, better blocker, but for some reason Calhoun is getting the glory in the RZ....
And all that being said, I LOVE Calhoun and am super glad he's a Griz...not trying to knock the lad, just wish people would lay off Nguyen. Kid (and his brother, who was similarly beat down) have played their HEARTS out for the Griz.
DuCharme said:
And my point is this: Why are Calhoun's stats (obviously substandard when compared to Nguyen's) acceptable from a true freshman and make him "the best back we have" (to quote someone in this very thread)...yet BETTER stats from Nguyen in every category except TD's and he's bashed on here incessantly?
Brock Landers
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My God the Nguyen brothers deserve better for their contributions to Griz football. The hate for them is ridiculous.
Guess who fumbled away our Cat/Griz games in 2010 and 2012? Chase Reynolds and Dan Moore. If it had been a Nguyen he'd of been crucified
Guess who fumbled away our Cat/Griz games in 2010 and 2012? Chase Reynolds and Dan Moore. If it had been a Nguyen he'd of been crucified
George Ferguson
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JN is the best RB the Griz have and Jeremy would be the first to say so.
George Ferguson
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Well said Brock. I wish there were more Nyguens coming down the pipeline.
goatcreekgriz
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The Nguyen brothers remind me of Josh Branen, who was an outstanding Griz RB. Not big guys, but important to the team and tough.
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