Cal Poly Week

[UMGriz75]

On cue. And no, you're not correct. Far from it.

So why did you bring up how Poly performed in their games after playing UM last season? And could you also explain to me why the Seattle Seahawks are 4-5 against the god-awful Rams over the past 4+ regular seasons and 45-17 against everyone else?

Wow, tag-team trolling. I am sure Payton will get right on it.

No trolling. I am asking you a serious question that you obviously seems to be avoiding. I guess the Hawks question is a little trolly, but if you know the answer, I am all ears.

No, you are not asking a serious question. You are trolling. I am sure even Payton can figure that one out.

I compared egriz opinion offered last year about this kind offense, compared to egriz opinion offered this year about this kind of offense. I also noted that there was a "record" generated in the BSC last year regarding this "offense" and that, notably, most opinions on the subject didn't seem to recognize that, across a broad variety of teams and defenses, the CP "offense" didn't fare too well. That is the "record" coming into this game. It just "is." If that is too complicated for you, then leave it and the Seahawks alone.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Read many similar comments about Cal Poly prior to last year's game, then CP barely beat us, went on to lose four of their next five conference games (including to MSU 45-28), and ended their season 4-7 overall, and 3-5 conference.

75, you see the bolded part? The commentary that you added about how Poly fared after playing UM? I asked what that has to do with the Poly game this week. How is it relevant? I am asking you to expand upon past stats that you introduced into the discussion. You specifically noted the MSU result, why?

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I should have just.....stayed away......talking to 75.....is like.....I don't even know......I don't have daily.....interactions with someone like that......for comparison.....

Judging by his constant calls to Payton when challenged on anything, you'd have to think back all the way to the know-it-all tattle-tale in 5th grade.

 

[UMGriz75]

Read many similar comments about Cal Poly prior to last year's game, then CP barely beat us, went on to lose four of their next five conference games (including to MSU 45-28), and ended their season 4-7 overall, and 3-5 conference.

75, you see the bolded part? The commentary that you added about how Poly fared after playing UM? I asked what that has to do with the Poly game this week. How is it relevant? I am asking you to expand upon past stats that you introduced into the discussion. You specifically noted the MSU result, why?

You seriously do not understand that, based on last year's egriz discussion about the kind of threat that the Cal Poly offense was to the upcoming Griz game, and the assessments of how hard it was to defend against, that the fact that the same Cal Poly offense lost to the 'Cats, a team with a notoriously bad defense is not relevant when talking about the capabilities of the Cal Poly Triple Option as an inherent "threat"? And didn't do much better thereafter?

Jayzuz, then nothing is "relevant."

My comment, for the fifth time, was to compare the commentary last year, with a similar high assessment of Cal Poly's offense with the striking actual opposite results. Our egriz analysts missed it by a mile. I am seeing a similar high assessment of the Cal Poly offense this year, even though the most recent record of that offense as used in the BSC (last year's oddly enough) turned out to be quite poor. So, that raises the question as to analytical skill in a fan group: what perceived changes in that specific offense overcome its actual recent record in this conference? Any at all?

This goes to the value and usefulness of fanboard "assessments" and the basis for them. The problem is, it brings out the trolls.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Read many similar comments about Cal Poly prior to last year's game, then CP barely beat us, went on to lose four of their next five conference games (including to MSU 45-28), and ended their season 4-7 overall, and 3-5 conference.

75, you see the bolded part? The commentary that you added about how Poly fared after playing UM? I asked what that has to do with the Poly game this week. How is it relevant? I am asking you to expand upon past stats that you introduced into the discussion. You specifically noted the MSU result, why?

You seriously do not understand that, based on last year's egriz discussion about the kind of threat that the Cal Poly offense was to the upcoming Griz game, and the assessments of how hard it was to defend against, that the fact that the same Cal Poly offense lost to the 'Cats, a team with a notoriously bad defense is not relevant when talking about the capabilities of the Cal Poly Triple Option as an inherent "threat"? And didn't do much better thereafter?

Jayzuz, then nothing is "relevant."

How about comparing how each offense did against Poly's defense, and then relate that to how each defense did. I would tend to think that the Cat defense did not do as well against Poly as did UM, but they didn't have to, since their offense produced more.

 

[UMGriz75]

I should have just.....stayed away......talking to 75.....is like.....I don't even know......I don't have daily.....interactions with someone like that......for comparison.....

Judging by his constant calls to Payton when challenged on anything, you'd have to think back all the way to the know-it-all tattle-tale in 5th grade.

On cue. Stop whining. It's sarcasm. Just as mtgrizule pointed out on another thread, the vastly differing standards applied to "moderation" is a sight to behold. When one of their favorite threads derails, they are quick to lock it. Others? On and on.

 

[Diesel]

Last year CP D played zone with two high safeties their front nine on D outplayed our eleven on O. Their safeties were just there to light up receivers who attempted to catch and to pick off inaccurate throws across the middle. Didn't the one safety have two or three picks in his first start as a senior. I believe the story post game was BG couldn't adjust to the zone coverage. Opposed to man coverage that NDSU played the week before.

Also, that being said Griz D let CP O go down field in about 40 seconds and they hit a long field goal for win.

I didn't go back and watch recorded game, just going off memory. Game was great to watch at stadium until last drive when D calls were to not lose, no pressure, just first down out of bounds, first down out of bounds...

I trust with improved team culture and Stitt having Semore(his DC of choice) win loose or draw the same mistakes to give the game away at the end won't be repeated this year.

Cal Poly was a better team than the Griz athletically last year and had all offseason to prepare for us. We are younger this year but more athletic and we had the extra week to heal and prepare for them. Looking forward to what Seymore dials up.

Griz receivers are going to be the key this weekend. Need to have #7 in the mix. Recievers have to be able to sit in holes in the zones and take a hit without fumbling. The pre-snap option read must be correct to get ball out quick. #16 needs a few O touches not just returns, would be nice to see at least one jet sweep with JLM.

 

[UMGriz75]

[How about comparing how each offense did against Poly's defense, and then relate that to how each defense did. I would tend to think that the Cat defense did not do as well against Poly as did UM, but they didn't have to, since their offense produced more.

The Cat Defense kept Cal Poly to 28 points. I am pretty sure the Cal Poly offense didn't play against the Cat offense, but rather against the Cat Defense.

In CP's first four games, its offense scored 19, 21, 20 and 28. Three of those were losses for CP.

For the sixth time, I compared "opinions" relative to successive games with Cal Poly, and pointed out the specific fact that, last year, the opinions did not reflect the eventual reality. I am curious how this year's will turn out, since last year's reality was obviously consistent for CP, and not a fluke at UM.

 

[Mavman]

What is the overall record? I thought the Griz were 12-0 at one time, but it seems the last 5-6 years Poly has played the Griz tough or beat them. Should be another battle.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

[How about comparing how each offense did against Poly's defense, and then relate that to how each defense did. I would tend to think that the Cat defense did not do as well against Poly as did UM, but they didn't have to, since their offense produced more.

The Cat Defense kept Cal Poly to 28 points. I am pretty sure the Cal Poly offense didn't play against the Cat offense, but rather against the Cat Defense.

In CP's first four games, its offense scored 19, 21, 20 and 28. Three of those were losses for CP.

For the sixth time, I compared "opinions" relative to successive games with Cal Poly, and pointed out the specific fact that, last year, the opinions did not reflect the eventual reality. I am curious how this year's will turn out, since last year's reality was obviously consistent for CP, and not a fluke at UM.

No, you shared your opinion about how Poly fared after the Griz game based on record and score to base your opinion on how difficult it is for a team to prepare for the triple option. I attempted to talk football, and state that record and score does not always tell the entire story. Are you trying to say that what the MSU offense did was not a factor, whether it was scoring more points, committing less turnovers, having better TOP, for their defense? How does the Poly offense change when they fall behind by 14-17 points in the 4th qtr as compared to being in a 3 point game? I try to talk football with you and you act like a 10 year old.

 

[Mavman]

15-4 is the series record, including the last two years victories by Cal Poly. Forgot they won 41-21 in 2014
I want to stay clear of the discussion between 75 and others but, have to add Last years game was CP's first game of the season if that has any bearing what so ever on what ever it is you guys are discussing???

 

[Bscwatcher]

Whew! I was deathly afraid we were going to have a football thread, but thank Jeebus, the usual suspects have come forward to give us a familiar pissing contest, this time replete with some kind of obsessive, psychosis induced dots, and the guy who can’t resist taking even the most idiotic bait responding … repeatedly. Shouldn’t they be given a padded room someplace where the two OCD patients can bore each other to death without taking everyone else to the morgue with them? Then, to bring us all home again, we get another genius adding the always welcome Cat bashing post. Take it awaaay.

The standard defense for the Triple O has long ago been worked out. There are no surprises and there is no need for a defensive genius. It relies on personnel and relentless discipline on every play which this defense seems, so far, to have in quantity. Where we’ll need some surprises, of course, is on offense, at least in terms of opening it up … if indeed that is really even possible to the extent necessary. I’m afraid the odds are against it improving that much.

Right back at you with your insults and undeserved sense of moral superiority.

My post was serious about the Cats being #3 - not an insult. EWU beat Wash State. Cats barely lose to Idaho. Wash State crushes Idaho. So, I am legitimately shocked that the Cats are #3. I would have thought EWU to be #3.

Thankfully I won't lose any sleep over your post.

EWU #3

FBS win
Lost in OT to the clear #1
Beat UNI

Who in the conference has that resume?

EWU definitely #1


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[Fat Bruno]

Obviously …….. the game …… last ……. year between the ……. same two ….. teams …. with the same offenses ……. and same head coaches ……..is relevant ………. to this years game. Why the hell would anyone nitpick at that if not trolling? You know this bastard is sending signals to a tairist cell with them dots.

 

[SaskGriz]

I might have posted this somewhere else but one thing that is unusual for any DC going against the Triple Option is that the old adage of trying to make the offence one dimensional is out the window. They all ready are and they aren't changing. People are raving that Cal-Poly ran for 440 against SDSU but if you look at last years numbers that is only about 55 over their season average in a year they went 4-7. You can't really stop the Option but as many posters have stated the two-headed Kryptonite against it is keeping the ball out of their hands and making them chase a scoreboard. They can't hurry up and they can't throw 30 times a game.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I might have posted this somewhere else but one thing that is unusual for any DC going against the Triple Option is that the old adage of trying to make the offence one dimensional is out the window. They all ready are and they aren't changing. People are raving that Cal-Poly ran for 440 against SDSU but if you look at last years numbers that is only about 55 over their season average in a year they went 4-7. You can't really stop the Option but as many posters have stated the two-headed Kryptonite against it is keeping the ball out of their hands and making them chase a scoreboard. They can't hurry up and they can't throw 30 times a game.

Sask gets it.

 

[jodcon]

Isn't there supposed to be a hotties thread? Isn't that why we keep Poly, Davis, and Sac State around?

Just saying.

 

[UMGriz75]

No, you shared your opinion about how Poly fared after the Griz game based on record and score to base your opinion on how difficult it is for a team to prepare for the triple option. ... I try to talk football with you and you act like a 10 year old.

That's gibberish. I didn't say a thing about "how difficult it is for a team to prepare for the triple option." "Egriz" said so. The record said the opposite. There. Got it yet?

From a ten year old to a five year old, I'll wait for you to grow up a little. Come back in five years.

See how that works?

 

[sullivan1212]

In 1993 the Griz lost to Delaware 49-48 in the playoffs during the coldest game i ever saw at at home. Their triple option looked like we never saw one before. After Read was embarrassed, we learned how to stop the option. In fact, we crushed teams that brought it in for many years. I am not a great mind for defense, but what was required goes like this. Our defensive line takes out as many blockers as it can. Safeties and corners seal the sideline and turn the play inside. Line blockers make the tackles. What was most important was that the defensive line does not try to tackle, but puts down their blockers. Corner and safety on the other side of the field check for the reverse. The big problem can be the quarterback is a great passer. Last Saturday's game did not show me a great passer. We have great defensive speed, but if everybody tries to make the tackle we will be in big trouble. Take out their blockers! Buss may have enough speed to get the ball carrier from behind. However, CP is a fast team. And they seem to prefer the options to their right.

 

[Eric_Shun]

Whew! I was deathly afraid we were going to have a football thread, but thank Jeebus, the usual suspects have come forward to give us a familiar pissing contest, this time replete with some kind of obsessive, psychosis induced dots, and the guy who can’t resist taking even the most idiotic bait responding … repeatedly. Shouldn’t they be given a padded room someplace where the two OCD patients can bore each other to death without taking everyone else to the morgue with them? Then, to bring us all home again, we get another genius adding the always welcome Cat bashing post. Take it awaaay.

The standard defense for the Triple O has long ago been worked out. There are no surprises and there is no need for a defensive genius. It relies on personnel and relentless discipline on every play which this defense seems, so far, to have in quantity. Where we’ll need some surprises, of course, is on offense, at least in terms of opening it up … if indeed that is really even possible to the extent necessary. I’m afraid the odds are against it improving that much.

Right back at you with your insults and undeserved sense of moral superiority.

My post was serious about the Cats being #3 - not an insult. EWU beat Wash State. Cats barely lose to Idaho. Wash State crushes Idaho. So, I am legitimately shocked that the Cats are #3. I would have thought EWU to be #3.

Thankfully I won't lose any sleep over your post.

EWU #3

FBS win
Lost in OT to the clear #1
Beat UNI

Who in the conference has that resume?

EWU definitely #1


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Great points - EWU has a clear case to be #1 but I didn't want to say anything against the Grizzlies being #1

But EWU is definitely better than the Cats in my view

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

No, you shared your opinion about how Poly fared after the Griz game based on record and score to base your opinion on how difficult it is for a team to prepare for the triple option. ... I try to talk football with you and you act like a 10 year old.

That's gibberish. I didn't say a thing about "how difficult it is for a team to prepare for the triple option." "Egriz" said so. The record said the opposite. There. Got it yet?

From a ten year old to a five year old, I'll wait for you to grow up a little. Come back in five years.

See how that works?

So what did this have to do with MSU and everyone Poly played after the Griz again?