By The Numbers--Not a Pretty Picture...

[spsyk]

You do realize that this is Stitt's first season here and he hasn't a single Stitt staff recruited player on deck? Oh shit Batman.

Good point, although the majority of the athletes, that are playing in these first three games, went two deep in the playoffs last season, what has changed .

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Very interesting. Thanks for assembling, AZ. At least, we know that the problems have nothing to do with the coaching. That's a relief.


CV, saw NZ beat Argentina at Wembley stadium in front of 89,000 fans. France/Romania today. England/Wales on Saturday.

Nice. Will the Kiwis take it all this time?

 

[get'em_griz]

You do realize that this is Stitt's first season here and he hasn't a single Stitt staff recruited player on deck? Oh shit Batman.

Good point, although the majority of the athletes, that are playing in these first three games, went two deep in the playoffs last season, what has changed .

The offensive system.

 

[brewskis]

You do realize that this is Stitt's first season here and he hasn't a single Stitt staff recruited player on deck? Oh shit Batman.

Good point, although the majority of the athletes, that are playing in these first three games, went two deep in the playoffs last season, what has changed .

Last year's playoff win against Sandy Eygo hardly counts.

 

[billgrizfan]

If I remember right when Denehy got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and did just fine. When Glenn took the job he didn't recruit any of the players and went on to win a Natty. When Hauck got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and he won the conference (also the next six years). When Phlugrad took the job he had recruited a number of the players and had the worst record in 25 years. When Delaney took the job he had recruited a number of the players and got us to the playoffs twice. So come to your own conclusions. By the way each of these put in their own new offenses.

 

[spsyk]

You do realize that this is Stitt's first season here and he hasn't a single Stitt staff recruited player on deck? Oh shit Batman.

Good point, although the majority of the athletes, that are playing in these first three games, went two deep in the playoffs last season, what has changed .

The offensive system.

Correct, did coach Stitt inform the athletes,and coaching staff before the season, this is going to be a tuff seasons, my new offense is above the capability of the athletes, that I have inherited and will will just have to wait till I get the athletes I need to get this going... I'm not convinced this is an athlete problem.

If coach Stitt can improve upon the athletes that are being fielded right now, he won't only be the OC we all hoped for he will also be the recuriter in the FCS

Just maybe, coach Stitt should sit out this season as the OC and just be the head coach, and hire Ron Richards
who his mentor Joe Glenn hired instead of hiring coach Stitt, incidentally Richards, never coach a game for the Griz he was replaced with Billy Cockhill week before the season started.

 

[spsyk]

If I remember right when Denehy got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and did just fine. When Glenn took the job he didn't recruit any of the players and went on to win a Natty. When Hauck got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and he won the conference (also the next six years). When Phlugrad took the job he had recruited a number of the players and had the worst record in 25 years. When Delaney took the job he had recruited a number of the players and got us to the playoffs twice. So come to your own conclusions. By the way each of these put in their own new offenses.

Now, that is a great observation, and loaded with facts.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

You do realize that this is Stitt's first season here and he hasn't a single Stitt staff recruited player on deck? Oh shit Batman.

This is true but Urban Meyer went undefeated his first year at Ohio State. He didn't recruit anybody. When you're good you're good..... I supported the Stitt hire. I still do.

I don't think Urban Meyer had to implement a drastically different offensive system in his first year, so it makes it a little easier to play well when your players already know the system, even if there's a few differences to learn.

Actually Meyer did just that....Meyer runs the Spread Offense. Jim Tressel and Luke Fickel ran more of a "ball control" style of offense. In fact, Jim Tressel is famous for claiming that the Punt is the most important play in football. Sorry, Stitt brought in his offense just like Meyer did. Meyer went 12-0 an finished ranked #3 in the nation.....

 

[WaGriz4life]

If I remember right when Denehy got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and did just fine. When Glenn took the job he didn't recruit any of the players and went on to win a Natty. When Hauck got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and he won the conference (also the next six years). When Phlugrad took the job he had recruited a number of the players and had the worst record in 25 years. When Delaney took the job he had recruited a number of the players and got us to the playoffs twice. So come to your own conclusions. By the way each of these put in their own new offenses.

Which players that Pflugrad signed played as true freshman that year? Kanangatta, Poehls, I think Bo Tully played some special teams? Jordan Johnson played a few series...... I have no idea what you mean when you say a number of the players he recruited played in 2010? If the number is 2 played significantly, then I would agree.

 

[WaGriz4life]

You do realize that this is Stitt's first season here and he hasn't a single Stitt staff recruited player on deck? Oh shit Batman.

This is true but Urban Meyer went undefeated his first year at Ohio State. He didn't recruit anybody. When you're good you're good..... I supported the Stitt hire. I still do.

I don't think Urban Meyer had to implement a drastically different offensive system in his first year, so it makes it a little easier to play well when your players already know the system, even if there's a few differences to learn.

Actually Meyer did just that....Meyer runs the Spread Offense. Jim Tressel and Luke Fickel ran more of a "ball control" style of offense. In fact, Jim Tressel is famous for claiming that the Punt is the most important play in football. Sorry, Stitt brought in his offense just like Meyer did. Meyer went 12-0 an finished ranked #3 in the nation.....

Also, Meyer did not come in and run a pro-style offense because that fit his personell. So many of these no-nothing posters expect college football coaches to come in and go away from all their beliefs and systems to try and fit with their personell. Yeah, no one does that, at least not drastically as some insisted Pflugrad should have done. Sure Ohio State ran more of a downhill running scheme but it was still out of shotgun, and still in spread formations like he did at Florida, no good coach goes away from his beliefs and installs a system he's never ran before. You run your system with who you have, tweek it a little to fit your personell, and take the ups and downs that come with it.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

True. I am not trying to compare Stitt to Meyer. Meyer is a top five NCAA coach. I am just trying to point out that most coaches must fight through some adversity during their first season. I just don't believe the Griz are struggling because the players weren't recruited by Stitt...Yes his O is different but so are a lot of O's. Including Meyer's.......

 

[billgrizfan]

If I remember right when Denehy got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and did just fine. When Glenn took the job he didn't recruit any of the players and went on to win a Natty. When Hauck got the job he didn't recruit any of the players and he won the conference (also the next six years). When Phlugrad took the job he had recruited a number of the players and had the worst record in 25 years. When Delaney took the job he had recruited a number of the players and got us to the playoffs twice. So come to your own conclusions. By the way each of these put in their own new offenses.

Which players that Pflugrad signed played as true freshman that year? Kanangatta, Poehls, I think Bo Tully played some special teams? Jordan Johnson played a few series...... I have no idea what you mean when you say a number of the players he recruited played in 2010? If the number is 2 played significantly, then I would agree.

He may have only actually recruited two but was certainly familiar with all of the players.

 

[marceagfan5]

These things concern me, and without getting them fixed, and pronto, this is gonna be a long season:

1) -5 in turnover margin. ZERO interceptions by our D through three games. Dead last in the league--and only one other team (UND) has no INT's at this point.
2) 5-15. # of TD's/Chances in the Red Zone. Horrid Red Zone offense. 1-6 TD's in the red zone against Liberty. By comparison, EWU is 13/13 in red zone TD's.
3) ZERO. The number of FG's made outside of 28 yards this year, in two attempts
4) 2.7. The average YPC for our backs. Only one team (UND) is worse.
5) 16/54. Our third down conversion rate. Yowza. Just 29% conversion rate (11th out of 13 teams)
6) 5. The number of touchbacks Lider has in 17 kickoffs.
7) 269. The number of return yards given up on kickoffs (2nd worst in the conference, only to Suck St)
8) 13. Our ranking in the BSC in yards per game rushing. That's right...dead f***[*] last.
9) 10. Number of sacks allowed--also dead last in the league
10) 24:17. Our average TOP per game. Again, DEAD LAST in the league.

Buckle up, fellas. I don't see this ship gettin' turned around any time soon.....sure is no shortage of things to work on at practice....

8 - the number of TD's cooper kupp has
8 - the number of TD's Montana's offense has

 

[Grisly Fan]

These things concern me, and without getting them fixed, and pronto, this is gonna be a long season:

1) -5 in turnover margin. ZERO interceptions by our D through three games. Dead last in the league--and only one other team (UND) has no INT's at this point.
2) 5-15. # of TD's/Chances in the Red Zone. Horrid Red Zone offense. 1-6 TD's in the red zone against Liberty. By comparison, EWU is 13/13 in red zone TD's.
3) ZERO. The number of FG's made outside of 28 yards this year, in two attempts
4) 2.7. The average YPC for our backs. Only one team (UND) is worse.
5) 16/54. Our third down conversion rate. Yowza. Just 29% conversion rate (11th out of 13 teams)
6) 5. The number of touchbacks Lider has in 17 kickoffs.
7) 269. The number of return yards given up on kickoffs (2nd worst in the conference, only to Suck St)
8) 13. Our ranking in the BSC in yards per game rushing. That's right...dead f***[*] last.
9) 10. Number of sacks allowed--also dead last in the league
10) 24:17. Our average TOP per game. Again, DEAD LAST in the league.

Buckle up, fellas. I don't see this ship gettin' turned around any time soon.....sure is no shortage of things to work on at practice....

8 - the number of TD's cooper kupp has
8 - the number of TD's Montana's offense has

Yeah but Kupp has played the Cats so that spots him a few. In all seriousness, hasn't Kupp been in the league about 10 years? Sure feels that way.

 

[grizcountry420]

Eastern Washington is second to last in total defense

122: Eastern Washington University 636.3 YPG

 

[marceagfan5]

These things concern me, and without getting them fixed, and pronto, this is gonna be a long season:

1) -5 in turnover margin. ZERO interceptions by our D through three games. Dead last in the league--and only one other team (UND) has no INT's at this point.
2) 5-15. # of TD's/Chances in the Red Zone. Horrid Red Zone offense. 1-6 TD's in the red zone against Liberty. By comparison, EWU is 13/13 in red zone TD's.
3) ZERO. The number of FG's made outside of 28 yards this year, in two attempts
4) 2.7. The average YPC for our backs. Only one team (UND) is worse.
5) 16/54. Our third down conversion rate. Yowza. Just 29% conversion rate (11th out of 13 teams)
6) 5. The number of touchbacks Lider has in 17 kickoffs.
7) 269. The number of return yards given up on kickoffs (2nd worst in the conference, only to Suck St)
8) 13. Our ranking in the BSC in yards per game rushing. That's right...dead f***[*] last.
9) 10. Number of sacks allowed--also dead last in the league
10) 24:17. Our average TOP per game. Again, DEAD LAST in the league.

Buckle up, fellas. I don't see this ship gettin' turned around any time soon.....sure is no shortage of things to work on at practice....

8 - the number of TD's cooper kupp has
8 - the number of TD's Montana's offense has

Yeah but Kupp has played the Cats so that spots him a few. In all seriousness, hasn't Kupp been in the league about 10 years? Sure feels that way.

Playing MSU is always good to bump up the stats...and Kupp is only a junior this year, but I doubt he stays next year at this rate...

 

[marceagfan5]

Eastern Washington is second to last in total defense

122: Eastern Washington University 636.3 YPG

No doubt Easterns defense sucks, no argument there....

 

[UMcheer2000]

Eastern Washington is second to last in total defense

122: Eastern Washington University 636.3 YPG

No doubt Easterns defense sucks, no argument there....

When D sucks and gives up scores, Kupp has more chances to make catches and scoring..

 

[IdaGriz01]

... When D sucks and gives up scores, Kupp has more chances to make catches and scoring..

Yep. Three ways a team can get the ball so they can go on offense: turnover, force a punt, or receive a kickoff. (They get one -- usually -- "freebie" with the start or half-time kickoff.)
Edit: Technically, a missed FG does not count as a turnover, and a "turnover on downs" rarely shows up in the stats, so their are a couple other ways you can get the ball back. (Does not change my point, or the numbers.)

Takes a little digging because ESPN does not keep the number quite the way I wanted to make the comparison. In three games, EWU has forced (received) 9 punts and 24 kickoffs after the other team has scored (FG or TD). They themselves have punted 13 times and kicked off 21 times after scoring.

EWU's best defensive effort was definitely against NIU: They forced 6 punts and received 6 kickoffs after NIU had scored. Without that game, EWU has "forced" just 3 punts, while receiving 17 kickoffs after the other team had scored. Seems their strategy sure is to let the other team score so they can get back on offense. :lol: :lol: :lol:

In case you're wondering, I went through the numbers twice just to be sure -- could still be off 1 or 2 either way, but that's sorta academic. The numbers really are amazing in a puke kinda way.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

... When D sucks and gives up scores, Kupp has more chances to make catches and scoring..

Yep. Three ways a team can get the ball so they can go on offense: turnover, force a punt, or receive a kickoff. (They get one -- usually -- "freebie" with the start or half-time kickoff.)
Edit: Technically, a missed FG does not count as a turnover, and a "turnover on downs" rarely shows up in the stats, so their are a couple other ways you can get the ball back. (Does not change my point, or the numbers.)

Takes a little digging because ESPN does not keep the number quite the way I wanted to make the comparison. In three games, EWU has forced (received) 9 punts and 24 kickoffs after the other team has scored (FG or TD). They themselves have punted 13 times and kicked off 21 times after scoring.

EWU's best defensive effort was definitely against NIU: They forced 6 punts and received 6 kickoffs after NIU had scored. Without that game, EWU has "forced" just 3 punts, while receiving 17 kickoffs after the other team had scored. Seems their strategy sure is to let the other team score so they can get back on offense. :lol: :lol: :lol:

In case you're wondering, I went through the numbers twice just to be sure -- could still be off 1 or 2 either way, but that's sorta academic. The numbers really are amazing in a puke kinda way.

Hmmm... I guess in a round about way you're trying to discredit Kupp? Really? The guy has dominated the Griz since he stepped foot on that campus...I'm sorry but that's just unsportsmanlike. Just enjoy the guy's greatness....