Busy morning at Penn State

[Cats2506]

If this is true, PSU can thank Louis Freeh. Freeh was hired as an independent investigator, but acted too much like a prosecutor. He didn't do an independent investigation and report; he essentially indicted PSU and certain people. He didn't even talk to most of the key people. How could he have come to some of the conclusions he did. The PSU board, or whoever hired Freeh, totally blew this one. Just when it seemed that things couldn't get worse for PSU, they hired Freeh, and he makes it much worse. Emmert and the ncaa deserve to be fired and given the death penalty. Who do they think they are? I think Emmert and the ncaa have done something that could cause the weakening, decline and even the demise of the ncaa.Think of all of the innocent people whose livelihood depends on the university and the football program. Thousands of people will be hurt by this.

Your'e absolutely right, they did nothing wrong, they are GD Saints and we should bow to them. Thousands will be hurt by this? Do you think any of them will be raped by old guys and thrown to the curb by the school. :roll:

So you want to take it out on the middle class and poorer people who work as cleaning people at the motels, work in the food and beverage industry, etc.? What do they do to deserve this? College Station is a fairly small town, and is very dependent on Penn St and PSU football.

Not one fewer people will be raped by old guys or anyone else as a result of the ncaa sanctions. Not one.

I find it interesting that you continue with your rape-tolerant avatar. It is more likely that your avatar will contribute to a rape, than the ncaa sanctions will result in one less kid being raped by an old guy.

You are probably right there, but then that isn't what the NCAA penalties are about. As usual you "just dont get it"

What will happen because of these sanctions is that other schools will not look the other way in the name of winning and pride when a staff or players abused or molests children, women or whatever. This isn't about what Sandusky did, its about what the staff and administration didn't do so that they could protect the reputation and traditions of PSU.

 

[TxGriz]

I think he was a sad, sick old man whose mind couldn't conceive or even imagine that one of his coaches could do such heinous things. He should have retired many years ago. He would be a ledgendary coach coach today. Tragic story.

If his mind couldn't conceive that, what makes you think he could coach a team?

Or...was the rest of the coaches doing all the work and just making him THINK he was actually the head coach?

Don't know. I think he wasn't even on the field during games for the last several years. Could have been a little senility involved.
Heck, I get gobsmacked at what human beings sometimes do to each other like kids under 10 years old raping or killing other kids, or someone who thinks he's the Joker murdering a bunch of folks at a movie. None of that stuff happened when I was a kid that I am aware of. Joe came from a lot earlier time than I did and very likely had very little experience with child abuse. It was likely hard to believe that one of his friends was doing it.

I have heard on various opinion shows that it was Penn State's worst kept secrets. According to one report I heard, there is an ice cream shop that featured a menu item they called "The Sandusky" that had an inverted cone positioned between two round scoops of ice cream.

Penn State resides in it's own community, State College, PA and it appears the culture is very insular. That and an annual operating budget in the hundreds of millions of dollars and you get a sense where the
pressure to contain this sordid episode comes from. Joe Pa came from a time when people handled certain issues differently, and the sad reality is that time passed him by.

 

[MrTitleist]

PSU got hammered this morning. Wow.
Penn state hit w a 4-yr postseason bowl ban.. $60 million fine.. Vacate all wins since '98. Players can transfer immediately

 

[PlayerRep]

The 3 worst sanctions in the twitter list, didn't materialize. Suspension of football for one year. One schollies for one year. No television for several years. These were the worst ones, in my view.

I chuckled at the tweets of former players who have commented that they lost every game they ever played in at Penn St.

 

[Cats2506]

The 3 worst sanctions in the twitter list, didn't materialize. Suspension of football for one year. One schollies for one year. No television for several years. These were the worst ones, in my view.

I chuckled at the tweets of former players who have commented that they lost every game they ever played in at Penn St.

Big Ten will announce sanctions at a presser later, media coverage and payments may be announced then since they are handled by the conference through the BTN.

 

[dbackjon]

Wow, I still have a lot of Respect for Joe-Pa. I have a mixed bag of emotions, but definately feel like Joe-Pa was thrown under the bus. The way they threw that blue towel over his head seems a little degrading as well. Just sad

Why would you have any respect for a piece of slime that allowed child rape to continue at his facilities, all in the name of not tarnishing his legacy?

Paterno was an arrogant bastard that thought he knew best - he covered this up, along with countless crimes committed by his players.

He was definately not a good person.

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Anyone else a little perturbed that the NCAA's version on the "death penalty" is to essentially make them an FCS football program? It's no secret that the subdivision is the red-headed step child of the NCAA, but now they're actually equating the FCS/D1aa with the word "death." Every year that goes by, the FCS becomes more and more a de facto division 2. Moving the NC game to a soccer stadium, sending the trophy to the wrong school this year, SoCon football on public television last year. This "death penalty" is reason number 1,583 that App nation wants FBS ASAP. The Titanic is sinking and there aren't enough life boats.

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

But anyway, if seeing what's happening to the reputation of Joe Paterno and the Penn State Football program upsets you, you could always just turn your back and pretend it isn't happening...

 

[PlayerRep]

Wow, I still have a lot of Respect for Joe-Pa. I have a mixed bag of emotions, but definately feel like Joe-Pa was thrown under the bus. The way they threw that blue towel over his head seems a little degrading as well. Just sad

Why would you have any respect for a piece of slime that allowed child rape to continue at his facilities, all in the name of not tarnishing his legacy?

Paterno was an arrogant bastard that thought he knew best - he covered this up, along with countless crimes committed by his players.

He was definately not a good person.

How did Paterno cover this up? What's your evidence for that? I'm aware of what Freeh said in his findings, but his report doesn't back up his statement.

 

[GrizMusician]

But anyway, if seeing what's happening to the reputation of Joe Paterno and the Penn State Football program upsets you, you could always just turn your back and pretend it isn't happening...

Who's Joe Paterno? What's Penn State? :thumb:

 

[EverettGriz]

Anyone else a little perturbed that the NCAA's version on the "death penalty" is to essentially make them an FCS football program? It's no secret that the subdivision is the red-headed step child of the NCAA, but now they're actually equating the FCS/D1aa with the word "death." Every year that goes by, the FCS becomes more and more a de facto division 2. Moving the NC game to a soccer stadium, sending the trophy to the wrong school this year, SoCon football on public television last year. This "death penalty" is reason number 1,583 that App nation wants FBS ASAP. The Titanic is sinking and there aren't enough life boats.

I could not agree more.

 

[PlayerRep]

Anyone else a little perturbed that the NCAA's version on the "death penalty" is to essentially make them an FCS football program? It's no secret that the subdivision is the red-headed step child of the NCAA, but now they're actually equating the FCS/D1aa with the word "death." Every year that goes by, the FCS becomes more and more a de facto division 2. Moving the NC game to a soccer stadium, sending the trophy to the wrong school this year, SoCon football on public television last year. This "death penalty" is reason number 1,583 that App nation wants FBS ASAP. The Titanic is sinking and there aren't enough life boats.

I could not agree more.

The FCS thing was mentioned in yesterday's tweet, which turned out not to be accurate, but isn't in the actual ncaa sanctions, to my knowledge.

 

[tnt]

Its not suprising that some Montana Folk aren't understanding....

There is a number of folks who believe a child molester needs to recieve counseling and all will be well. In the last 6 mos in Missoula county alone we have had 6 child molesters put on probation, sentenced to time served, assigned to dept of corrections (no prison time specified) sentences of under 5 years (meaning 15 mos). They threw the book at a confessed child rapist over in Yellowstone county (raped a 10 and 12 year old) giving him 2 concurrent 4 year sentences.

Any of these acts in 42 states in the Union would have received either 20 or 40 year mandatory hard time sentence (they serve what was sentenced) Montana is still one of only 8 states that hasn't adopted a form of Jessica's law because mandatory sentencing (according to a number in the last legislature debate) is "unfair"

So long as we believe counseling can fix it (most experts don't believe a sex offenders program can work, and these are guys doing it) and second chances because most chimo's are upstanding citizens. We are in deep trouble. But what can we expect one of missoula's more famous chimo's (The Cookie Man)was given a job of driving little boys back and forth to camp by he Christian Life Center because he liked children and had only molested girls.

 

[harrydoyle1989]

PR/Jack,

Please stop posting on this website while the legal profession still has some dignity. Thanks.

 

[Cats2506]

PR/Jack,

Please stop posting on this website while the legal profession still has some dignity. Thanks.

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[PlayerRep]

PSU got hammered this morning. Wow.
Penn state hit w a 4-yr postseason bowl ban.. $60 million fine.. Vacate all wins since '98. Players can transfer immediately

Regarding the vacating of wins back to 1998: In that year, Sandusky was investigated by the family services agency and the police over a particular incident. The prosecutor declined to prosecute. One of the reasons for not bringing charges was the report by counselor Seasock. See the below quote from the Freeh report. Note that the counselor concludes there was no sexual abuse. If that is true, and no charges were brought, why should Penn St be punished back to 1998?

“. . . Counselor John Seasock, who had a contract to provide counseling services to CYS, conducted the evaluation.

During the meeting with Seasock the boy described the incident with Sandusky. Given that the boy did not feel forced to engage in any activity and did not voice discomfort to Sandusky, Seasock opined that “there seems to be no incident which could be termed as sexual abuse, nor did there appear to be any sequential pattern of logic and behavior which is usually consistent with adults who have difficulty with sexual abuse of children.” Seasock’s report ruled out that the boy “had been placed in a situation where he was being ‘groomed for future sexual victimization.’” Seasock recommended that someone speak with Sandusky about what is acceptable with young children and explained, “The intent of the conversation with Mr. Sandusky is not to cast dispersion (sic) upon his actions but to help him stay out of such gray area situations in the future.”

On May 9, 1998, Schreffler [the asst prosecutor who made the decision not to bring charges] discussed the outcome of Seasock’s evaluation with Seasock. While Seasock said he identified some “gray areas,” he did not find evidence of abuse . . . “

 

[tnt]

And you wonder why prosecutor offices need investigated from time to time. Wonder what DFS would have done with more than a "particular incident"

 

[tourist]

What the NCAA has done is an abomination. PSU and the NCAA are stumbling over each other to be more politically correct than the other. They might just as well dig Paterno up and abuse his corpse. This is a dog and pony show and is only getting worse. Establish guilt and punish those responsible, yes. Let the punishment fit the crime. These NCAA actions are akin the the Nazi razing of Lidice.

 

[tnt]

What the NCAA has done is an abomination. PSU and the NCAA are stumbling over each other to be more politically correct than the other. They might just as well dig Paterno up and abuse his corpse. This is a dog and pony show and is only getting worse. Establish guilt and punish those responsible, yes. Let the punishment fit the crime. These NCAA actions are akin the the Nazi razing of Lidice.

Yup the NCAA is just a horrible organization that even takes action against athletes for re-tweeting racial comments depending on people like James Oday to determine the sanctions and vote on them.....

Politically correct? Just how many little boys need to be queered in a schools locker room befor its not a politically correct action???

 

[moose/squirrel]

And you wonder why prosecutor offices need investigated from time to time. Wonder what DFS would have done with more than a "particular incident"

Keep on keeping on Gwen.