Busy morning at Penn State

[PlayerRep]

I don't see how they are throwing him under the bus when they have evidence, from as long at 10 years ago, that Jo-Pa knew Sandusky was a pedophile. IMO he was protecting his friend by thinking that he could just go to therapy and be cured.

Your statement is not true. There's no evidence that Paterno knew Sandusky was a pedophile. Only speculation. There's only the conversation with the grad asst,in which the grad asst has said he didn't say much to Paterno, and Paterno's awareness, to some extent, of the 1998 matter in which the prosecutor decided there wasn't enough evidence to charge. In fact, the case worker who investigated, or one of them, said the behavior wasn't criminal.

 

[PlayerRep]

Does anyone else have a feeling that they are throwing him under the bus now that he is dead. I have no doubt that he had some involvement, however, it wasn't until after his death that all the people with their necks on the line started saying how it was all his fault.

Yes, the current university president and the Freeh threw Paterno under the bus. However, none of the people who may have known what Paterno knew or said, have said anything was his fault. Neither the former AD (Curley) or the former senior vp, would talk to Freeh about this. There is virtually nothing in the PSU report to support the conclusion, really speculation, of Freeh about Paterno's role. No one involved pointed any finger at Paterno.

 

[Grizzoola]

I think he was a sad, sick old man whose mind couldn't conceive or even imagine that one of his coaches could do such heinous things. He should have retired many years ago. He would be a ledgendary coach coach today. Tragic story.

When Paterno hired Sandusky in 1969, Paterno was already 73 years old, far beyond an age when most coaches retire. If, a big if, Paterno had gone to pasture when he turned 70, he could have retired as the legendary coach he is, before all this stuff re: Sandusky, simply because he would not have been in a position to hire Sandusky. I agree that Paterno stayed in the game long past his time.

Paterno was 43 when he hired Sandusky. Also don't forget Sandusky played for Paterno at Penn State too. A little off Dave

What I get for trying to do simple arithmetic in my head.

 

[BearIt]

Right or wrong, Paterno's name will forever be linked to the scandal. I think Penn State is doing the right thing by taking down his statues. If they want to move forward they need to do all they can to remove any imagery on campus that people may associate with the scandal. I bet they've even had discussions of rebranding and changing the university name. I doubt they will do it, but I bet it has been discussed.

 

[PlayerRep]

Wow, I still have a lot of Respect for Joe-Pa. I have a mixed bag of emotions, but definately feel like Joe-Pa was thrown under the bus. The way they threw that blue towel over his head seems a little degrading as well. Just sad

You respect somebody whom covered up child abuse to protect his legacy? Disgusting :x

Here is what Freeh says shows Paterno was involved in the decision to cover up what Sandusky had done. It's an email from Curley (the AD) to Schultz (the VP) and Spanier (the president). Note the first few words in particular; these are what supposedly brings Paterno into this decision.

".... After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday--I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble going to everyone, but the person involved. I think I would be more comfortable meeting with the person and tell him about the information we received. I would plan to tell him we are aware of the first situation [presumably the 1998 matter, for which he wasn't charged]. I would indicate we feel there is a problem and we want to assist the individual to get professional help. Also, we feel a responsibility at some point soon to inform his organization [Second Mile] and maybe the other one [Family Services] about the situation. I need some help on this one. What do you think about this approach."

Note that nothing is said about what Joe said. Curley doesn't go on to say this is what Joe wants. Curley says "I think" and "I would"--not "Joe wants".

In a process that took several weeks, Paterno doesn't come up in the evidence again. As I said in another thread, Curley and Schultz didn't talk to Freeh, so their views and comments aren't part of the report, except for prior emails and writings. Spanier told Freeh that he was not concerned about "criminality", indicating to me that while he felt that the behavior he had been told of was inappropriate, it was not criminal.

Freeh and Penn St have completely, and I think somewhat unfairly, knifed Paterno and thrown him under the bus. The media grabbed a few sentences of conclusions, out of many, and further stomped on Paterno.

This is not to say that Paterno didn't make a huge mistake on this, as he indicated before he died.

 

[citygriz]

don't see how anybody in griz nation can read about the penn state saga, and not be extremely apprehensive about our own fate at the hands (truncheons?) of this self- same ncaa sanctioning body. they are meting out punishment based on their own by-laws, which state the purpose of intercollegiate athletics is to "promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society. Student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should not only be manifest in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."

wow. that casts a wide net. every program in the country is arguably culpable by those lofty standards. and the hell with due process.

i'm reminded of the time a friend made a film documentary about a very successful junior college football program, and in doing so needed to buy rights to film footage from both the n.f.l. and the n.c.a.a. the n.f.l. took one look at the film, and asked for minimums. not the n.c.a.a. no matter the film had a feel-good theme and little prospects of making money, the n.c.a.a. was right there with its brinks truck. no question, a man who abused children to satisfy a sexual urge should be punished, as should those who failed to stop it. but at the hands of a group of avaricious buck-hustling hypocrites who continue to exploit young student-athletes in the service of greed?

 

[MrTitleist]

Could this be true:
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[BelierPeaux]

Could this be true:
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Ultra Mega Death Penalty if so. One thing that jumped out at me that could mean this is BS is they call is IAA in there and not FCS. Seems like if it was remotely officialy that term would be corrected. But that could be nit-picking.

Otherwise, WOW!

Oh, and now that they mention IAA in there, this thread is suddenly relavent to this forum.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Could this be true:
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WOW. People were not kidding when they said Penn State would probably prefer the Death Penalty. There 2013 recruiting class is pretty loaded too, including one of the best TE prospects in awhile. Wow. I feel really bad for Coach O'Brien

 

[MrTitleist]

They also have the top QB recruit in the nation committed too.

 

[PlayerRep]

If this is true, PSU can thank Louis Freeh. Freeh was hired as an independent investigator, but acted too much like a prosecutor. He didn't do an independent investigation and report; he essentially indicted PSU and certain people. He didn't even talk to most of the key people. How could he have come to some of the conclusions he did. The PSU board, or whoever hired Freeh, totally blew this one. Just when it seemed that things couldn't get worse for PSU, they hired Freeh, and he makes it much worse. Emmert and the ncaa deserve to be fired and given the death penalty. Who do they think they are? I think Emmert and the ncaa have done something that could cause the weakening, decline and even the demise of the ncaa.Think of all of the innocent people whose livelihood depends on the university and the football program. Thousands of people will be hurt by this.

 

[polsongrizz]

If this is true, PSU can thank Louis Freeh. Freeh was hired as an independent investigator, but acted too much like a prosecutor. He didn't do an independent investigation and report; he essentially indicted PSU and certain people. He didn't even talk to most of the key people. How could he have come to some of the conclusions he did. The PSU board, or whoever hired Freeh, totally blew this one. Just when it seemed that things couldn't get worse for PSU, they hired Freeh, and he makes it much worse. Emmert and the ncaa deserve to be fired and given the death penalty. Who do they think they are? I think Emmert and the ncaa have done something that could cause the weakening, decline and even the demise of the ncaa.Think of all of the innocent people whose livelihood depends on the university and the football program. Thousands of people will be hurt by this.

Your'e absolutely right, they did nothing wrong, they are GD Saints and we should bow to them. Thousands will be hurt by this? Do you think any of them will be raped by old guys and thrown to the curb by the school. :roll:

 

[polsongrizz]

The way they threw that blue towel over his head seems a little degrading as well. Just sad

It's a Statue jeez, :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

If this is true, PSU can thank Louis Freeh. Freeh was hired as an independent investigator, but acted too much like a prosecutor. He didn't do an independent investigation and report; he essentially indicted PSU and certain people. He didn't even talk to most of the key people. How could he have come to some of the conclusions he did. The PSU board, or whoever hired Freeh, totally blew this one. Just when it seemed that things couldn't get worse for PSU, they hired Freeh, and he makes it much worse. Emmert and the ncaa deserve to be fired and given the death penalty. Who do they think they are? I think Emmert and the ncaa have done something that could cause the weakening, decline and even the demise of the ncaa.Think of all of the innocent people whose livelihood depends on the university and the football program. Thousands of people will be hurt by this.

Your'e absolutely right, they did nothing wrong, they are GD Saints and we should bow to them. Thousands will be hurt by this? Do you think any of them will be raped by old guys and thrown to the curb by the school. :roll:

So you want to take it out on the middle class and poorer people who work as cleaning people at the motels, work in the food and beverage industry, etc.? What do they do to deserve this? State College is a fairly small town, and is very dependent on Penn St and PSU football.

Not one fewer people will be raped by old guys or anyone else as a result of the ncaa sanctions. Not one.

I find it interesting that you continue with your rape-tolerant avatar. It is more likely that your avatar will contribute to a rape, than the ncaa sanctions will result in one less kid being raped by an old guy.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Granted, I do feel for the Penn State fan base, and community, but something had to be done.

What went on at Penn State was as bad anything in the history of NCAA athletics. The NCAA has set the precedence, with harsh penalties for a lot less worse than this. This has to be the harshest penalty ever handed out by the NCAA.

 

[GrizLA]

If this is true, PSU can thank Louis Freeh. Freeh was hired as an independent investigator, but acted too much like a prosecutor. He didn't do an independent investigation and report; he essentially indicted PSU and certain people. He didn't even talk to most of the key people. How could he have come to some of the conclusions he did. The PSU board, or whoever hired Freeh, totally blew this one. Just when it seemed that things couldn't get worse for PSU, they hired Freeh, and he makes it much worse. Emmert and the ncaa deserve to be fired and given the death penalty. Who do they think they are? I think Emmert and the ncaa have done something that could cause the weakening, decline and even the demise of the ncaa.Think of all of the innocent people whose livelihood depends on the university and the football program. Thousands of people will be hurt by this.

Absolutely appalling post...

 

[GrizLA]

Granted, I do feel for the Penn State fan base, and community, but something had to be done.

What went on at Penn State was as bad anything in the history of NCAA athletics. The NCAA has set the precedence, with harsh penalties for a lot less worse than this. This has to be the harshest penalty ever handed out by the NCAA.

Thank you...well said...

 

[polsongrizz]

If this is true, PSU can thank Louis Freeh. Freeh was hired as an independent investigator, but acted too much like a prosecutor. He didn't do an independent investigation and report; he essentially indicted PSU and certain people. He didn't even talk to most of the key people. How could he have come to some of the conclusions he did. The PSU board, or whoever hired Freeh, totally blew this one. Just when it seemed that things couldn't get worse for PSU, they hired Freeh, and he makes it much worse. Emmert and the ncaa deserve to be fired and given the death penalty. Who do they think they are? I think Emmert and the ncaa have done something that could cause the weakening, decline and even the demise of the ncaa.Think of all of the innocent people whose livelihood depends on the university and the football program. Thousands of people will be hurt by this.

Your'e absolutely right, they did nothing wrong, they are GD Saints and we should bow to them. Thousands will be hurt by this? Do you think any of them will be raped by old guys and thrown to the curb by the school. :roll:

So you want to take it out on the middle class and poorer people who work as cleaning people at the motels, work in the food and beverage industry, etc.? What do they do to deserve this? College Station is a fairly small town, and is very dependent on Penn St and PSU football.

Not one fewer people will be raped by old guys or anyone else as a result of the ncaa sanctions. Not one.

I find it interesting that you continue with your rape-tolerant avatar. It is more likely that your avatar will contribute to a rape, than the ncaa sanctions will result in one less kid being raped by an old guy.

So When a killer murders a few dozen people why should he be punished? It will really upset his/her parents and cost them tens of thousands of dollars. If he promises not to do it again lets just let him go. Your a lawyer huh, I thought you folk thought things out better. I am guessing you didn't try too many cases :lol:
Oh BTW I don't think Angelina Jolie is a rape tolerant person but maybe you have spoke with her, it seems you do know everybody. :roll:

 

[moose/squirrel]

Granted, I do feel for the Penn State fan base, and community, but something had to be done.

What went on at Penn State was as bad anything in the history of NCAA athletics. The NCAA has set the precedence, with harsh penalties for a lot less worse than this. This has to be the harshest penalty ever handed out by the NCAA.

Don't get me wrong what happened there IS apalling on every front but memories are short. Remember Adolph Rupp or Bear Bryant and the systematic exclusion of black athletes by the SEC (and others). Seems like the NCAA was riding herd in those days, though I was pretty young.

The NCAA will be irrelevant in 10 years when the big 4 football conferences say bye bye and leave the Boise States of the world behind. Their 800 mill per year contract for March Madness won't be worth jack without those big conferences either so who holds the cards?

The NCAA is a hypocrtical dictatorship peopled by those that value the institution over common sense. Something will replace it but without the CBS cash cow that outfit will be toast. Good riddance to the collective,self righteous tools that head that bunch, starting with Emmert. They are as despicable as most politicians.

 

[GrizMusician]

Castrate Sandusky. Problem solved. Then there would be no future rapes. :lol:

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