HelenaHandBasket
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My point was a cut block isn't illegal. Thanks for playing.
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BSky Awards 2024
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mthoopsfan
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Isn't there a rule/exception that says that a player within one yard of the line of scrimmage can cut block inside the tackle box? I haven't see the replay. I don't know where the TE was lined up. Was he inside the tackle without a yard of line of scrimmage. The TE seemed surprised he got a penalty. I heard the announcers say something about where his head was on the block (when he dove at the defender).
It would be nice if someone could post or tell us exactly what the rule is. I know that cut blocks are not allowed outside the tackle box. I believe a DE lined up normally is considered to be inside the tackle box.
"2022 NCAA Blocking Below the Waist (BBW)
By what we have seen in writing to date the big differences appear to be:
1. No more BBW by any A player that was NOT within the tackle box at the snap. Period. Period.
2. The only Team A players that will be allowed to BBW from the side are Team A linemen on their initial charge. (We'll need to get a better and uniform understanding of what "initial charge" is.)
3. Once the ball leaves the tackle box, no Team A BBW is allowed. (This may apply to Team B, too; see 5 below.)
4. No more BBW by Team B players outside the tackle box at the snap. Period. Anywhere. Any time.
5. Some Team B players will be allowed to BBW from the side (as well as from the front). Those are B players within a yard of the NZ and within the tackle box on their initial charge. (Oh, so the tackle box is being expanded to cover defensive linemen, as well, now.) No mention of BBW from the front in the TB being OK only until the ball leaves the TB, but I'll be on it. I'll bet the final language prohibits everyone from BBW once the ball leaves the TB."
"I believe the rule says you can cut within the tackle box. I don't think it was restricted to just linemen."
Source: a site on the internet. These comments were made when the new ruled was announced and described, but before the actual rule was published.
This was from the same site, but after someone did some investigation. See the part I highlighted. I think this is what the rule is. However, I don't know exactly how it's interpreted, nor do I know exactly what happened on the play.
"Takeaways:
The new BBW rules are for player safety. The NCAA has loads of data showing how the implementation of previous BBW rules have reduced injuries.
Don't be too technical on the extension of the Tackle Box one-yard beyond the NZ. The intent is to eliminate low blocks on defenders in the "second level".
Initial charge:
-Not necessarily straight ahead, but needs to be the initial action. Example: Offensive tackle trying to block a charging defensive tackle at the “edge,” at the snap, drives directly toward the DT, but an angle - not directly forward - and makes contact at the side - this is a legal block.
-Needs to be immediately at the snap. A clear delay before a player begins his charge is not “initial charge.”
-Any sort of second action, such as a coming off of one block to make another block, changing direction, standing up, or stepping backward, before making a low block is not within the initial charge, and the block must be from the front, in the TB, as long as the ball is in the TB.
All low blocks must be actually made within the tackle box, to be legal. A low block on an opponent who is clearly outside the TB, even if the blocker's feet may still be in the TB, is not legal. But, don’t be too technical about the tackle box. If the block itself is right at the edge, don’t be too technical.
No player that comes from outside the TB, or a player that leaves the tackle box and then returns inside the tackle box, may block low, anywhere on the field, regardless of direction.
The restrictions on Team B are greater than for Team A, i.e., Team B may only block low during the initial charge by stationary players within one yard of the NZ. Other than that, no BBW by Team B, anywhere on the field (including in the TB, even though Team A may be allowed to BBW there). The Rules Committee knows this, but are concerned about defenders blocking low on lead blockers - particularly those moving laterally - and causing injury.
This is all from the "horse's mouth," so, now we know what is expected. We pass this along to coaches when we have the opportunity, and just tell them this is the way it is. No arguments. Don't like it? Talk to the UIL."
[I think this means that TE, or back, lined up right behind the line of scrimmage inside the tackle box, can run across the tackle box and cut a DE. Again, note the announcers said something about the location of the TE's head. My impression was that, initially, they (maybe Gregorak) thought it was a bad call, but then seemed to change his mind upon seeing the replay.]
It would be nice if someone could post or tell us exactly what the rule is. I know that cut blocks are not allowed outside the tackle box. I believe a DE lined up normally is considered to be inside the tackle box.
"2022 NCAA Blocking Below the Waist (BBW)
By what we have seen in writing to date the big differences appear to be:
1. No more BBW by any A player that was NOT within the tackle box at the snap. Period. Period.
2. The only Team A players that will be allowed to BBW from the side are Team A linemen on their initial charge. (We'll need to get a better and uniform understanding of what "initial charge" is.)
3. Once the ball leaves the tackle box, no Team A BBW is allowed. (This may apply to Team B, too; see 5 below.)
4. No more BBW by Team B players outside the tackle box at the snap. Period. Anywhere. Any time.
5. Some Team B players will be allowed to BBW from the side (as well as from the front). Those are B players within a yard of the NZ and within the tackle box on their initial charge. (Oh, so the tackle box is being expanded to cover defensive linemen, as well, now.) No mention of BBW from the front in the TB being OK only until the ball leaves the TB, but I'll be on it. I'll bet the final language prohibits everyone from BBW once the ball leaves the TB."
"I believe the rule says you can cut within the tackle box. I don't think it was restricted to just linemen."
Source: a site on the internet. These comments were made when the new ruled was announced and described, but before the actual rule was published.
This was from the same site, but after someone did some investigation. See the part I highlighted. I think this is what the rule is. However, I don't know exactly how it's interpreted, nor do I know exactly what happened on the play.
"Takeaways:
The new BBW rules are for player safety. The NCAA has loads of data showing how the implementation of previous BBW rules have reduced injuries.
Don't be too technical on the extension of the Tackle Box one-yard beyond the NZ. The intent is to eliminate low blocks on defenders in the "second level".
Initial charge:
-Not necessarily straight ahead, but needs to be the initial action. Example: Offensive tackle trying to block a charging defensive tackle at the “edge,” at the snap, drives directly toward the DT, but an angle - not directly forward - and makes contact at the side - this is a legal block.
-Needs to be immediately at the snap. A clear delay before a player begins his charge is not “initial charge.”
-Any sort of second action, such as a coming off of one block to make another block, changing direction, standing up, or stepping backward, before making a low block is not within the initial charge, and the block must be from the front, in the TB, as long as the ball is in the TB.
All low blocks must be actually made within the tackle box, to be legal. A low block on an opponent who is clearly outside the TB, even if the blocker's feet may still be in the TB, is not legal. But, don’t be too technical about the tackle box. If the block itself is right at the edge, don’t be too technical.
No player that comes from outside the TB, or a player that leaves the tackle box and then returns inside the tackle box, may block low, anywhere on the field, regardless of direction.
The restrictions on Team B are greater than for Team A, i.e., Team B may only block low during the initial charge by stationary players within one yard of the NZ. Other than that, no BBW by Team B, anywhere on the field (including in the TB, even though Team A may be allowed to BBW there). The Rules Committee knows this, but are concerned about defenders blocking low on lead blockers - particularly those moving laterally - and causing injury.
This is all from the "horse's mouth," so, now we know what is expected. We pass this along to coaches when we have the opportunity, and just tell them this is the way it is. No arguments. Don't like it? Talk to the UIL."
[I think this means that TE, or back, lined up right behind the line of scrimmage inside the tackle box, can run across the tackle box and cut a DE. Again, note the announcers said something about the location of the TE's head. My impression was that, initially, they (maybe Gregorak) thought it was a bad call, but then seemed to change his mind upon seeing the replay.]
mthoopsfan
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See my above post, for further info.
Production generally equals stats. For example, 23-27 for 312 and 4TD is rather productive. Those are also called stats.
I feel like everyone just forgets how these awards always work every year. It’s always the teams that finish the best having the most guys on the list, and their best players often win the top awards.
The coaches get on a conference call with the media and only have a certain amount of time to argue for their guys, so if they push for one guy to get 1st team offense, a guy who deserves 1st team defense but doesn’t get argued for might slip to the 2nd team.
For this year, there weren't really runaway choices on either side, so they did what they always do: just go with the players from the team that won the championship. That’s how it’s always worked, and not really worth getting too upset over.
The coaches get on a conference call with the media and only have a certain amount of time to argue for their guys, so if they push for one guy to get 1st team offense, a guy who deserves 1st team defense but doesn’t get argued for might slip to the 2nd team.
For this year, there weren't really runaway choices on either side, so they did what they always do: just go with the players from the team that won the championship. That’s how it’s always worked, and not really worth getting too upset over.
mthoopsfan
Well-known member
Yes. Obviously, I agree. I’m fine with that.
HelenaHandBasket
Well-known member
Production goes beyond stats, but whatever.
Which is exactly my point…people kick away from him on purpose. So his stats may not be what they could, but his production is more than stats, and is why he is first team. But whatever
HelenaHandBasket
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And I still don't think he deserved it over the Wortham this season.
