Bowl Games & Fan/Player Emotion

[Griz2k]

True, but to answer my own question, I'm a playoff fan. Knowing that it's win or go home just adds another level of excitement for me in the hopes of making it to the championship game. Bowl games are win...and still go home. While I'd certainly watch and cheer and be excited for a Griz game, for me it'd kind be like "ok, we won the Arizona bowl, I guess we're done here." The championship games in '95 and '01 were unbelievable. I can't imagine being anywhere near that excited for winning one of these bowl games. As you can tell, I'm not a move up guy! Haha...

(P.S.: I hate the current big sky conference as much as anyone though.)

As am I. Which is why I believe that once the dust settles, G5 WILL have a playoff, just like literally every other level of football out there. It may involve bowl games (like the current P5 playoff does), or maybe START with bowl games and then a “Championship Game” like was created for the P5…but it WILL have a playoff, and we’d better be there and ready for when that day happens. IMHO we should already have jumped to G5 prior to that day coming.

Now THAT would be cool!

 

[mthoopsfan]

Gotcha. 45,000 people in Houston disagreed with you. As did Memphis and San Diego.

It's pretty difficult to explain the intensity of the hitting in these games if the players thought the games were not meaningful. For someone like myself that doesn't watch a lot of FBS football during the regular season, they also highlight the large gap between the qualities of FBS and FCS football.

DirecTV and Fox are in a squabble and Fox is not being carried, which was a real pisser not getting the Oregon game.

I am talking about my view of meaningful as a fan. Players play hard in some bowl and not in others. I will be at the TCU v Michigan game. I have alerted TCU to criticisms of the 3-3-5 that they should expect from some Griz.

 

[Pounder]

Just for the record, had anyone on here written anything to suggest that the kids don’t like playing in bowl games? They they aren’t happy for the opportunity or the experiences that come along with it? Or that the fans who chose to attend did so under duress?

I don’t choose to watch everyone of them anymore, and today I can pick and choose which and when to do so. Works well in my mind. Besides, my big ass doesn’t go with stadium or Airlibe seats anymore so there’s a good reason for liking all the conveniences of home.

Oh yeah. Move up thread.

Three of Oregon’s four best defenders opted out. I think the same number of UNC’s defensive starters opted out, plus a premier wide receiver. There are now proposals to redirect money guaranteed by the bowls to players to get them to play in these games.

Washington State definitely “showed up” in name only against Fresno.

Mind you, once the playoff expansion happens, who knows what happens to these bowl games. But I think you can tell that, for reasons beyond my comprehension, bowl game interest starts at 1 million TV viewers and goes up from there (though it used to be 1.2 million). That’s why ESPN owns a lot of these games. They’re not getting those numbers for even NBA games in this time period (obvious exception of the recently established Christmas Day tradition), never mind college basketball. So it continues. For now.

But you can also see the gap between G5 and P5 viewership, right?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Famous Potato Bowl in Boise on Dec 20.
Attendance - 10,122. Temp - 25.

East Mich 41 v San José 27. SJ had been favored by 4.

$800,000 payout.

"Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (Eastern Michigan-San Jose State: 1.11M) and Frisco Bowl (Boise State-North Texas: 0.58, 1.03M) both declined double-digits."

Frisco Bowl - 12,211 attendance; $650,000 payout. North Texas v Boise St.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Famous Potato Bowl in Boise on Dec 20.
Attendance - 10,122. Temp - 25.

East Mich 41 v San José 27. SJ had been favored by 4.

$800,000 payout.

"Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (Eastern Michigan-San Jose State: 1.11M) and Frisco Bowl (Boise State-North Texas: 0.58, 1.03M) both declined double-digits."

Frisco Bowl - 12,211 attendance; $650,000 payout. North Texas v Boise St.

Yes. No doubt the frigid weather affected the pre-Christmas week bowl attendance.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I like bowl games...can't stand the names of most of them anymore but that's a topic for another day I suppose. While I understand the premise of this thread, I ask this; would you rather see the Griz in the FCS playoffs or one of the following bowls...

Here are the bowl games Mountain West teams went to this year....

Jimmy Kimmel Bowl (Fresno St vs Washington St)
Frisco Bowl (Boise St vs North Texas)
Potato Bowl (San Jose St vs Eastern Michigan)
Armed Forces Bowl (Air Force vs Baylor)
Hawai'i Bowl (San Diego St vs Middle Tennessee)
First Responder Bowl (Utah St vs Memphis)
Arizona Bowl (Wyoming vs Ohio)

I think all of those opponents are more interesting than playing SEMO, Sanford, Holy Cross, Furman, Fordham, Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, Elon, Davidson, etc.

 

[kemajic]

Ironic, you're very happy with an 8-5 Tech record, but very, very unhappy with an 8-5 Grizzly record.

Oh come on. You don’t see the difference? Or are you just being purposely obtuse? Tech is the Idaho of the Big-12. Continuously underperforming. Being excited about an 8-win season when its their FIRST ONE SINCE 2013? You don’t see the difference there?

Oh, but I do see. You're very spoiled about Montana football performance. You fell into that one all by yourself.

 

[Pounder]

Famous Potato Bowl in Boise on Dec 20.
Attendance - 10,122. Temp - 25.

East Mich 41 v San José 27. SJ had been favored by 4.

$800,000 payout.

"Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (Eastern Michigan-San Jose State: 1.11M) and Frisco Bowl (Boise State-North Texas: 0.58, 1.03M) both declined double-digits."

Frisco Bowl - 12,211 attendance; $650,000 payout. North Texas v Boise St.

Yes. No doubt the frigid weather affected the pre-Christmas week bowl attendance.

Pre-Christmas bowl attendance has more to do with Christmas than with weather… not that the weather helps.

And it depends on the venue to determine whether the attendance is over counted by 10%, or 50%, or several multiples. Mind you, that may also be true of FCS playoff games.

Also, when I lived in Boise and Boise State did NOT go to the Humanitarian (now Potato) Bowl, I always had access to free tickets.

 

[Griz2k]

I like bowl games...can't stand the names of most of them anymore but that's a topic for another day I suppose. While I understand the premise of this thread, I ask this; would you rather see the Griz in the FCS playoffs or one of the following bowls...

Here are the bowl games Mountain West teams went to this year....

Jimmy Kimmel Bowl (Fresno St vs Washington St)
Frisco Bowl (Boise St vs North Texas)
Potato Bowl (San Jose St vs Eastern Michigan)
Armed Forces Bowl (Air Force vs Baylor)
Hawai'i Bowl (San Diego St vs Middle Tennessee)
First Responder Bowl (Utah St vs Memphis)
Arizona Bowl (Wyoming vs Ohio)

I think all of those opponents are more interesting than playing SEMO, Sanford, Holy Cross, Furman, Fordham, Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, Elon, Davidson, etc.

Well maybe, but is playing Middle Tennessee State in the Hawai'i Bowl in front of 6600 people and knowing that win or lose, your season is over, more exciting than playoff football, even if you're playing any of those teams you listed? My opinion is no, but obviously to each their own.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Oh come on. You don’t see the difference? Or are you just being purposely obtuse? Tech is the Idaho of the Big-12. Continuously underperforming. Being excited about an 8-win season when its their FIRST ONE SINCE 2013? You don’t see the difference there?

Oh, but I do see. You're very spoiled about Montana football performance. You fell into that one all by yourself.

yep. I will fully admit that. Perhaps more telling is that you ARE happy with an 8-5 Griz season.

Will also fully admit I fell for Bobby's line of bullshit. No more. He's been successful in significantly lowering my expectations for any Hauck-coached team going forward.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think all of those opponents are more interesting than playing SEMO, Sanford, Holy Cross, Furman, Fordham, Gardner-Webb, William & Mary, Elon, Davidson, etc.

Well maybe, but is playing Middle Tennessee State in the Hawai'i Bowl in front of 6600 people and knowing that win or lose, your season is over, more exciting than playoff football, even if you're playing any of those teams you listed? My opinion is no, but obviously to each their own.

To each their own, I agree. The regular season would be more fun in FBS, I think most would agree with that. So, if we're talking about "overall fun units" for the whole season, it could be a closer call for many.

 

[Bok_Choi]

Just for the record, had anyone on here written anything to suggest that the kids don’t like playing in bowl games? They they aren’t happy for the opportunity or the experiences that come along with it? Or that the fans who chose to attend did so under duress?

I don’t choose to watch everyone of them anymore, and today I can pick and choose which and when to do so. Works well in my mind. Besides, my big ass doesn’t go with stadium or Airline seats anymore so there’s a good reason for liking all the conveniences of home.

Oh yeah. Move up thread.

Three of Oregon’s four best defenders opted out. I think the same number of UNC’s defensive starters opted out, plus a premier wide receiver. There are now proposals to redirect money guaranteed by the bowls to players to get them to play in these games.

Washington State definitely “showed up” in name only against Fresno.

Mind you, once the playoff expansion happens, who knows what happens to these bowl games. But I think you can tell that, for reasons beyond my comprehension, bowl game interest starts at 1 million TV viewers and goes up from there (though it used to be 1.2 million). That’s why ESPN owns a lot of these games. They’re not getting those numbers for even NBA games in this time period (obvious exception of the recently established Christmas Day tradition), never mind college basketball. So it continues. For now.

But you can also see the gap between G5 and P5 viewership, right?

I do.

I'm one of those guys who believes the P5 contingent will split off and there will be a free for all figuring out what to do next. I don't know that Montana will be left with much of choice at that point, but my problem now is that move-up threads were supposed to include a uniform component, which this was clearly doesn't. A maroon mat helmet would be kick ass, don't you think?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Three of Oregon’s four best defenders opted out. I think the same number of UNC’s defensive starters opted out, plus a premier wide receiver. There are now proposals to redirect money guaranteed by the bowls to players to get them to play in these games.

Washington State definitely “showed up” in name only against Fresno.

Mind you, once the playoff expansion happens, who knows what happens to these bowl games. But I think you can tell that, for reasons beyond my comprehension, bowl game interest starts at 1 million TV viewers and goes up from there (though it used to be 1.2 million). That’s why ESPN owns a lot of these games. They’re not getting those numbers for even NBA games in this time period (obvious exception of the recently established Christmas Day tradition), never mind college basketball. So it continues. For now.

But you can also see the gap between G5 and P5 viewership, right?

I do.

I'm one of those guys who believes the P5 contingent will split off and there will be a free for all figuring out what to do next. I don't know that Montana will be left with much of choice at that point, but my problem now is that move-up threads were supposed to include a uniform component, which this was clearly doesn't. A maroon mat helmet would be kick ass, don't you think?

my apologies. That's on me. I own that one. My bad.

 

[poorgriz]

Gotcha. 45,000 people in Houston disagreed with you. As did Memphis and San Diego.

It's pretty difficult to explain the intensity of the hitting in these games if the players thought the games were not meaningful. For someone like myself that doesn't watch a lot of FBS football during the regular season, they also highlight the large gap between the qualities of FBS and FCS football.

DirecTV and Fox are in a squabble and Fox is not being carried, which was a real pisser not getting the Oregon game.

Good for them. SDSU would crush most of the teams I've seen play in bowl games so far, especially all the 6-6 teams.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It's pretty difficult to explain the intensity of the hitting in these games if the players thought the games were not meaningful. For someone like myself that doesn't watch a lot of FBS football during the regular season, they also highlight the large gap between the qualities of FBS and FCS football.

DirecTV and Fox are in a squabble and Fox is not being carried, which was a real pisser not getting the Oregon game.

Good for them. SDSU would crush most of the teams I've seen play in bowl games so far, especially all the 6-6 teams.

:lol: :lol:
Yeah, Oklahoma would stand no chance against the mighty rabbits.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Oh, but I do see. You're very spoiled about Montana football performance. You fell into that one all by yourself.

yep. I will fully admit that. Perhaps more telling is that you ARE happy with an 8-5 Griz season.

Will also fully admit I fell for Bobby's line of bullshit. No more. He's been successful in significantly lowering my expectations for any Hauck-coached team going forward.

Yep, Kem clearly loves middle of the pack BSC football. 8-5 makes him renew his tickets...unless Stitt is coaching.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

It's pretty difficult to explain the intensity of the hitting in these games if the players thought the games were not meaningful. For someone like myself that doesn't watch a lot of FBS football during the regular season, they also highlight the large gap between the qualities of FBS and FCS football.

DirecTV and Fox are in a squabble and Fox is not being carried, which was a real pisser not getting the Oregon game.

I am talking about my view of meaningful as a fan. Players play hard in some bowl and not in others. I will be at the TCU v Michigan game. I have alerted TCU to criticisms of the 3-3-5 that they should expect from some Griz.

Yeah, you're a self anointed defensive analyst for TCU, to go with the hundreds of boards and important people that you counsel daily. Surprised you haven't been elected chief of your tribe. But I'm sure it is just around the corner.

 

[poorgriz]

Good for them. SDSU would crush most of the teams I've seen play in bowl games so far, especially all the 6-6 teams.

:lol: :lol:
Yeah, Oklahoma would stand no chance against the mighty rabbits.

I wasn't talking about Oklahoma, I hadn't seen them play yet. Also, OK vs SDSU would be closer than you think.

 

[griznative24]

I find the bowl games mostly fun. Theres a few duds, but at least the players can go to hawaii or the bahamas for a week. What I have noticed is a lot of msu ads, especially today, and zero UofM ads. Interesting.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

:lol: :lol:
Yeah, Oklahoma would stand no chance against the mighty rabbits.

I wasn't talking about Oklahoma, I hadn't seen them play yet. Also, OK vs SDSU would be closer than you think.

False. It would be exactly as close as I think.