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Booming Attendance -- At Places

argh! said:
why not just report both, tickets sold and actual scanned tickets? it would provide a semi-factual reflection of what's up with griz football.

nah, don't wanna do that...

Because no college team does that? If the Griz did that,some Griz fans wouldn’t believe the stats anyway.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Grizbeer said:
The actual to sold ratio feels similar to 2017, 8 -10000 fewer than announced.

I don’t agree with your last sentence, for the 2 I attended.
You might be right, I don’t have real numbers just my observation. The Labor Day game for sure I would be shocked if there was 12,000 tickets scanned. Night game and homecoming we’re better, but I don’t think there has been >20,000 in the stands for a game (and I believe but am not positive) scanned attendance includes workers like concessions 50/50 sellers ushers etc.

I’m not willing to file a foi like the missoulian did to get actual attendance, and it should be better in November,
 
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. You don't need anymore than your eyes to confirm that the near 27,000 figure is bullsh*t. Haslam must be grasping at straws to pull this crap.
 
3-7-77 said:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. You don't need anymore than your eyes to confirm that the near 27,000 figure is bullsh*t. Haslam must be grasping at straws to pull this crap.
Do we care?

Tickets paid for but not used – for whatever reason – is still money in the bank. Among other duties, Haslem's job is to worry about the bottom line. Actual versus paid attendance is likely way down on the list.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
3-7-77 said:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics. You don't need anymore than your eyes to confirm that the near 27,000 figure is bullsh*t. Haslam must be grasping at straws to pull this crap.
Do we care?

Tickets paid for but not used – for whatever reason – is still money in the bank. Among other duties, Haslem's job is to worry about the bottom line. Actual versus paid attendance is likely way down on the list.
I think it does matter for a lot of reasons, chiefly what t indicates for the future. A big gap between actual and paid attendance is an indication of future lagging ticket sales. Probably more concerning is the related issues - many of the grass tailgates are empty. To tail gate n campus drive they used to require an rv. Now there are multiple pickups and even a Shriner clown vehicle. Even with relaxing the rule about 1 in 4 spots along campus drive have not been filled, despite eliminating the the spots in front of the adams center.

The parking lot next to the van Buren walking bridge is at 1/2 capacity die to construction of the indoor practice facility, yet it hasn’t been full on game day. The parking lot across from the adams center is greatly reduced due to construction of the MMAC, but still not full.

There are lots of indications that um athletics may be looking at a funding crisis next year if things don’t change. Fortunately the football team is playing better and co trial their destiny, and winning seems to cure all ills.
 
For the games I attended, butts in the seats, or drinking on the club(s) and boxes, was quite high. Had there been 13,000 tickets not being used, there would have been people selling them all over the place. I didn't notice a bunch of sellers. My view is that there were way over 20,000 at each of the games I attended.
 
Watching the ISU vs Portland State game with what looks like maybe 1000 people in total there...2 things.

1) Why the hell did we lose Idaho as a rivalry game for the Commies...I mean Vikings? That needs to be fixed, Vandals are an actual rivalry game.

2) Highlights how it sucks to be in the Conference at times, way to many teams don't give a shit about football/athletics and/or dont have fan support
 
EW406 said:
get'em_griz said:
Attendance numbers are based off of tickets scanned into games. .

Incorrect. Any attendance announced is always tickets sold, once the money hits their pockets it counts towards attendance. It’s this way across multiple sports… college football, MLB, WWE, et. al

Well you might wanna go chat with Idaho's athletic department then, because apparently they're calculating their attendance wrong. They posted on social media that the game vs Montana was sold out (16,000), but an attendance of 14,218 was announced. That to me says that tickets scanned into the game determine the attendance of the game and 1,800 fans did not show up.

https://twitter.com/VandalFootball/status/1712531147761267111
 
mthoopsfan said:
argh! said:
why not just report both, tickets sold and actual scanned tickets? it would provide a semi-factual reflection of what's up with griz football.

nah, don't wanna do that...

Because no college team does that? If the Griz did that,some Griz fans wouldn’t believe the stats anyway.

seriously. we do it exactly like every other team in football. not sure why that bothers folks so much.

Because there's no WAY there were that many people at the PSU game. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I don't think it does the Big Sky Conference justice to downplay game attendance. those numbers are pretty decent considering there is no other show around. Weber has to compete with Utah and Utah State. Cal Poly isn't going to get a huge number of fans attending. San Luis Obispo has a whopping population of 47K. To even equal UM or state, roughly half of the residents of the city would have to attend the games. UC Davis is sort of in the same boat with Davis only having a population of 66k. There really isn't an excuse for Sac State not to have people in the seats, other than the fact that it is more or less a commuter college like Portland State. Speaking of Portland State, I don't think people in Portland actually care about PSU. It's a commuter college, and even though I say they have to compete with the Ducks and Beavs, there is no competition. I know people who actually graduated from PSU who go to UO games instead of Portland, and really who can blame them? EWoo should have a higher attendance than they do, especially given the fact their las NC was 12 years ago and that they have been a perennial playoff team until recently. Idaho State is the only game in town and should be able to regularly put 10-12k in the seats but... they are Idaho State. Northern Arizona could do a better job of marketing themselves to get attendance up given Flagstaff actually does have the population to support at least 10-12k fans a game. Northern Colorado doesn't have a chance with CU and CSU (even though CSU is pretty bad). That's you Big Sky Conference. There really isn't a lot of competition from other schools to pull fans away with the exception of four teams, population is really the issue for most of them.

People say, "but look at the attendance of the FCS teams on the east coast, it's worse". True, but again, other than PSU, Sac State, Idaho and Weber, there really isn't anything around to compete with. On the east coast, there are FBS teams everywhere, as well as other pro-sports they have to compete with.
 
IdaGriz01 said:
Mostly for some interesting information:
https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/10/b...nd-inside-fcs-stadiums-bursting-at-the-seams/

Not really a move-up (or not) agenda here ... some of his examples are not even in the conversation. I just thought people would find it informative.

One NCAA dig: Kennesaw State is already on track to FBS for next year. So the question is: With a stadium capacity of around 9 thousand (apparently), how do they plan to meet the supposed attendance average of 16 thousand? Of course, Kennesaw is only 20-25 miles outside of Atlanta, so they do have options.

The NCAA is planning to remove the attendance requirement with it being replaced by a minimum scholarship/spending threshold.

https://footballscoop.com/news/ncaa-working-to-increase-cost-to-transition-from-fcs-to-fbs
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
EWoo should have a higher attendance than they do, especially given the fact their las NC was 12 years ago and that they have been a perennial playoff team until recently.

This is partially due to competition from WSU (they were looking like a really good team until recently) and Spokane isn't that much of a sports town. They'll go out and support Gonzaga until they stop making the NCAA tournament on a regular basis which probably won't happen until Coach Few eventually retires or Gonzaga joins a better conference.
 
hm.grwn.grizfan said:
indiancoyote said:
Our like Montana does.

Montana definitely does this. The stated attendance seems to be a metric of tix sold not butts in seats

That's how attendance is counted everywhere: tickets sold, NOT butts in the stands.
 
kemajic said:
CDAGRIZ said:
Could it be possible that UM and other schools count how many tickets are scanned at entry, records that number, and that some fans aren't in their seats for the entire game? I mean, UM has a re-entry policy after all.
There is an NCAA standard that attendance is reported as tickets sold. Season ticket no-shows are not scanned, but have been sold.

This!
 
SinCityGriz2005 said:
Idaho State is the only game in town and should be able to regularly put 10-12k in the seats but... they are Idaho State.

True. I lived in Pokey a long time. That NC year of '81 is LONG AGO. A 42 year downhill slide. Even if the average fan back then was in his 40's, they're all dead by now, or knockin' on the Grim Reapers door. Pokey is about 75% Mormon. Weber comes to town Nov. 4 at 4 pm. The BenGals haven't been this competitive, and Weber hasn't been this down, since I can remember. With a little reminder from the numerous LDS Pulpits, Holt should sell out that weekend. Earth shaking event. The chance to finally beat Weber, AT HOME should bring out a new breed of cat, New Bengal Fans. Not impossible, as Idaho Falls is just 45 miles up the road. SE Idaho has over 250,000 people in it. The only other college is Ricks(BYU-Idaho) and they don't play football anymore. I would think even as obtunded the marketing dept at ISU has become, that they could fill 12,000 seats for the Mormon Bowl. Bears watching.
 
3-7-77 said:
SinCityGriz2005 said:
Idaho State is the only game in town and should be able to regularly put 10-12k in the seats but... they are Idaho State.

True. I lived in Pokey a long time. That NC year of '81 is LONG AGO. A 42 year downhill slide. Even if the average fan back then was in his 40's, they're all dead by now, or knockin' on the Grim Reapers door. Pokey is about 75% Mormon. Weber comes to town Nov. 4 at 4 pm. The BenGals haven't been this competitive, and Weber hasn't been this down, since I can remember. With a little reminder from the numerous LDS Pulpits, Holt should sell out that weekend. Earth shaking event. The chance to finally beat Weber, AT HOME should bring out a new breed of cat, New Bengal Fans. Not impossible, as Idaho Falls is just 45 miles up the road. SE Idaho has over 250,000 people in it. The only other college is Ricks(BYU-Idaho) and they don't play football anymore. I would think even as obtunded the marketing dept at ISU has become, that they could fill 12,000 seats for the Mormon Bowl. Bears watching.

I think it would real cool to see a resurgence of Idaho state. Maybe Hawkins can do it.
 
hm.grwn.grizfan said:
3-7-77 said:
True. I lived in Pokey a long time. That NC year of '81 is LONG AGO. A 42 year downhill slide. Even if the average fan back then was in his 40's, they're all dead by now, or knockin' on the Grim Reapers door. Pokey is about 75% Mormon. Weber comes to town Nov. 4 at 4 pm. The BenGals haven't been this competitive, and Weber hasn't been this down, since I can remember. With a little reminder from the numerous LDS Pulpits, Holt should sell out that weekend. Earth shaking event. The chance to finally beat Weber, AT HOME should bring out a new breed of cat, New Bengal Fans. Not impossible, as Idaho Falls is just 45 miles up the road. SE Idaho has over 250,000 people in it. The only other college is Ricks(BYU-Idaho) and they don't play football anymore. I would think even as obtunded the marketing dept at ISU has become, that they could fill 12,000 seats for the Mormon Bowl. Bears watching.

I think it would real cool to see a resurgence of Idaho state. Maybe Hawkins can do it.

Me too, but I could see them not winning another game this season.
 
AZGrizFan said:
hm.grwn.grizfan said:
I think it would real cool to see a resurgence of Idaho state. Maybe Hawkins can do it.
Me too, but I could see them not winning another game this season.
Lot's of media optimism down there. Be interesting to see if it translates into butts in seats.

As for their schedule from here: Ouch! ... @ Sac State, Weber, UC Davis, @ Idaho
 
mthoopsfan said:
argh! said:
why not just report both, tickets sold and actual scanned tickets? it would provide a semi-factual reflection of what's up with griz football.

nah, don't wanna do that...

Because no college team does that? If the Griz did that,some Griz fans wouldn’t believe the stats anyway.

just because nobody does it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. thinking like that is kinda anti-prrogress.
 
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