Boise state

[get'em_griz]

Boise key to getting playoff conversation started?

While Penn St seemed to control much of game, a key play was a non offensive PI call on a long pass down the middle that prevented an interception by Boise. I believe PS went on to score. My wife thought refs were tough on Boise.

Congrats to Boise program and team.

Boise State was absolutely was a program that helped initiate conversations about the need to change/update the postseason format for the FBS. No matter how good they were previously, they never would have been given a chance to sniff the BCS championship game. And because they were vocal about the desire to have the opportunity, other non-power teams also started speaking out too. UCF is another example when they had their undefeated season and were left out. Boise State definitely led the way in calls for a change to the postseason system.

 

[mthoopsfan]

College football as we know it is dead. Fighting over moving up or staying put is kind of irrelevant right now. It boils down to $$. Can Boise keep up with the likes of Penn State, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Miami, Notre Dame, Alabama and Oregon? That’s just naming a few of the big money programs. I doubt they will and their best players will be offered big $$’s to go elsewhere. FCS is now the minor leagues of semi pro sport. For that matter, many FBS teams are as well. Sadly, viewership and dollars may eventually fade from college football. The NCAA screwed up so badly over the years that they left the system a mess. I am all for kids getting paid to play, but the current system is ridiculous. We can argue over moving up or staying put. It doesn’t matter. The dollars aren’t there folks. If you think Montana or Montana State is going to fair better than Wazzu or Oregon State, you need to check into rehab. Oregon State - Oregon is a perfect example of the haves vs the have nots. Montana better figure out how to win the natty at the FCS level. If they can prove they have the money and talent to do that, then I will listen intently to a move up argument. Until then, try going to Wicked or some other fairy tale of a movie. Because you are not living in reality if you think Montana schools can move up.

Nice post. I particularly liked the view of college football today. I heard of a situation where the mom of star player walked into coach’s office day after season ended and asked for a few million. Said she would be back a couple days later. Gave her view on position coach too. Said she wanted to be named asst position coach too. Just kidding on last sentence.

 

[rgrizfan]

No one asked you.

Who asked you??

 

[EverettGriz]

What I noticed is after “moving up” it has taken 30 years for Boise to have a shot at anything meaningful. Thirty damn years. Of course they got smoked tonight but after three full decades they finally had any chance to git for the gold.

Someday the Griz will “move up” too. All you bitchin and moaning about the meaningless FCS can celebrate when we are playing Troy State (or any other former FCS team) in the “I’m Meaningless, but No Longer FCS Bowl Game”. Looking forward to that day rather than a series of playoff games than entertain us for weeks

Do you HONESTLY believe there is even one member of the BSU fanbase -- a single lonely fan -- who would trade all of the success, money, university growth, publicity, and name recognition they've had at the FBS level for 25 straight fcs championships?

Please.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Do you HONESTLY believe there is even one member of the BSU fanbase -- a single lonely fan -- who would trade all of the success, money, university growth, publicity, and name recognition they've had at the FBS level for 25 straight fcs championships?

Please.

We’re just little ol’ Montana. CFB is about money now, and it definitely wasn’t about money for the last 50+ years or anything. The thing I’ve learned when faced with a tough situation is to always give up and blame the situation itself. Then, if you’re really crafty, convince yourself that you actually prefer the middle seat on planes (so to speak).

 

[Copper Griz]

Nice post. I particularly liked the view of college football today. I heard of a situation where the mom of star player walked into coach’s office day after season ended and asked for a few million. Said she would be back a couple days later. Gave her view on position coach too. Said she wanted to be named asst position coach too. Just kidding on last sentence.

Being a college football coach today would be very difficult. Imagine kids and their parents having that much leverage? Your example is very realistic. Also, some of these collegiate athletes are making more playing NCAA football than they would as a rookie in the NFL. (Ex, two Colorado players). I am not faulting the kids or their parents. They are one injury away from their athletic career being over. They want to make money while they can. I think it will be interesting to see which FBS and FCS programs are in contention each year with the playoff system. NDSU may be the exception, but we shall see. On a positive note, I think it will be difficult for one school to dominate like Alabama did during Saban’s tenure.

 

[Copper Griz]

We’re just little ol’ Montana. CFB is about money now, and it definitely wasn’t about money for the last 50+ years or anything. The thing I’ve learned when faced with a tough situation is to always give up and blame the situation itself. Then, if you’re really crafty, convince yourself that you actually prefer the middle seat on planes (so to speak).

Possibly you are correct. Having said that, maybe explain the economics of your plan to move up. Are you dropping certain sports or does the TV revenue make up for it? It won’t by the way. The BOR has already taken a deep dive on the subject. Where are the big money boosters and is Montana’s situation similar to Boise’s? Probably closer to Wyoming’s, except Montana has two universities that would need to move up. Facilities aren’t an issue. Coaching salaries, increased scholarships and increased ticket prices are. Math is hard apparently, because some of you speak in vast generalizations and hyperbole. That isn’t going to get it done. There is quitting and then there is being responsible to the state, the institutions, the fans and the student athletes.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Possibly you are correct. Having said that, maybe explain the economics of your plan to move up. Are you dropping certain sports or does the TV revenue make up for it? It won’t by the way. The BOR has already taken a deep dive on the subject. Where are the big money boosters and is Montana’s situation similar to Boise’s? Probably closer to Wyoming’s, except Montana has two universities that would need to move up. Facilities aren’t an issue. Coaching salaries, increased scholarships and increased ticket prices are. Math is hard apparently, because some of you speak in vast generalizations and hyperbole. That isn’t going to get it done. There is quitting and then there is being responsible to the state, the institutions, the fans and the student athletes.

I know. It simply can’t be done. I know this because I’ve heard that it simply can’t be done, so it must be true. The hallmark of any worthwhile endeavor is to do things the way you’ve always done them. Like the old saying goes: “Nothing ventured, good. Fuck it and bail.”

 

[garizzalies]

Boise State had shown so much success that the bowl committee had to grudgingly give Boise State the Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma in 2017 (that's just 12 years after they moved up).

I think this was a typo. That Fiesta bowl was in 2007.

It’s an incredible story. Twelve years after moving up, Boise played in the greatest CFB game ever.

Oklahoma was the designated home team and was favored by 7½ points, but Boise State raced out to a 21–10 halftime lead. The second half featured a memorable series of back-and-forth events: Oklahoma scoring 25 consecutive points to take its first lead of the game with just over one minute remaining. After being tied, with under two minutes left, Oklahoma took its first lead of the game when Boise State threw a pick six. The teams trading 22 points in the final 1:26 of regulation to send the game into overtime, and Boise State completing three do-or-die trick plays (including a 4th and 18 hook-and-ladder TD with 0:07 left in regulation, a half-back pass for a TD in OT, and the statue of liberty play for a two-point conversion) in order to secure the win by one point.

 

[oldngrizzly]

If you think Montana or Montana State is going to fair better than Wazzu or Oregon State, you need to check into rehab.

Can we check in hoops ? He needs a reality check and maybe rehab is the only way.

 

[EverettGriz]

Possibly you are correct. Having said that, maybe explain the economics of your plan to move up. Are you dropping certain sports or does the TV revenue make up for it? It won’t by the way. The BOR has already taken a deep dive on the subject. Where are the big money boosters and is Montana’s situation similar to Boise’s? Probably closer to Wyoming’s, except Montana has two universities that would need to move up. Facilities aren’t an issue. Coaching salaries, increased scholarships and increased ticket prices are. Math is hard apparently, because some of you speak in vast generalizations and hyperbole. That isn’t going to get it done. There is quitting and then there is being responsible to the state, the institutions, the fans and the student athletes.

Explain the economics of the Boise move.

They were in considerably worse shape both economically and athletically than Montana currently is. Yet they not only made it work, they've been wildly successful by any and all measures. Their university is completely unrecognizable compared to when they moved to FBS for one and only one reason: their move to the FBS.

And if you truly believe television/media money won't cover the costs, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

But sure, if we want to always be a small fry, let's stay where we are.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Do you HONESTLY believe there is even one member of the BSU fanbase -- a single lonely fan -- who would trade all of the success, money, university growth, publicity, and name recognition they've had at the FBS level for 25 straight fcs championships?

Please.

Do you think there are many people who would want to be associated with Boise State?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I know. It simply can’t be done. I know this because I’ve heard that it simply can’t be done, so it must be true. The hallmark of any worthwhile endeavor is to do things the way you’ve always done them. Like the old saying goes: “Nothing ventured, good. Fuck it and bail.”

"Simply" huh?

 

[EverettGriz]

Do you think there are many people who would want to be associated with Boise State?

Now? Or prior to their FBS move?

Because the answer to question number one is "yes, everyone". The answer to question number two is "fuuuuuuuck no!!"

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Explain the economics of the Boise move.

They were in considerably worse shape both economically and athletically than Montana currently is. Yet they not only made it work, they've been wildly successful by any and all measures. Their university is completely unrecognizable compared to when they moved to FBS for one and only one reason: their move to the FBS.

And if you truly believe television/media money won't cover the costs, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

But sure, if we want to always be a small fry, let's stay where we are.

Just curious how much cash you think Montana could get with a MWC type media deal?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Being a college football coach today would be very difficult. Imagine kids and their parents having that much leverage? Your example is very realistic. Also, some of these collegiate athletes are making more playing NCAA football than they would as a rookie in the NFL. (Ex, two Colorado players). I am not faulting the kids or their parents. They are one injury away from their athletic career being over. They want to make money while they can. I think it will be interesting to see which FBS and FCS programs are in contention each year with the playoff system. NDSU may be the exception, but we shall see. On a positive note, I think it will be difficult for one school to dominate like Alabama did during Saban’s tenure.

Your last sentence is a good point. Some good news. I love listening to Sabin talking football as a talking head. His VBRO and other commercials are pretty funny too. Speaking of commercials, I love that "High Tide" commercial for , where the guy keeps yelling High Tide at the players/group coming off of bus. Then, woman next to him, tells him it's Roll Tide. That guy reminds me a a number of posters on egriz. I've mentioned this previously, but assume only poorgriz reads and remembers all my posts.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Now? Or prior to their FBS move?

Because the answer to question number one is "yes, everyone". The answer to question number two is "fuuuuuuuck no!!"

Now, other than football, I have no interest in Boise St. I assume there are lots of people like me. Is the school any good? Your priorities are weird.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

"Simply" huh?

Yep. If there isn’t a simple solution, no solution exists. I could be UM/BOR leadership tomorrow. It’d be like being a local politician in the 1950s.

“Ladies and gentlemen of River City, we looked into it, and it can’t be done.”

“Well, you all heard the man. He said it can’t be done, so it can’t be done. Spread the word down at the Lodge and the soda shops.”

 

[indiancoyote]

What I noticed is after “moving up” it has taken 30 years for Boise to have a shot at anything meaningful. Thirty damn years. Of course they got smoked tonight but after three full decades they finally had any chance to git for the gold.

Someday the Griz will “move up” too. All you bitchin and moaning about the meaningless FCS can celebrate when we are playing Troy State (or any other former FCS team) in the “I’m Meaningless, but No Longer FCS Bowl Game”. Looking forward to that day rather than a series of playoff games than entertain us for weeks

Thinking that playing in a soccer stadium in front of 20,000 people is having a shot at something meaningful is funny shit. Boise State's enrollment and endowment increased exponentially since moving up.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Explain the economics of the Boise move.

They were in considerably worse shape both economically and athletically than Montana currently is. Yet they not only made it work, they've been wildly successful by any and all measures. Their university is completely unrecognizable compared to when they moved to FBS for one and only one reason: their move to the FBS.

And if you truly believe television/media money won't cover the costs, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

But sure, if we want to always be a small fry, let's stay where we are.

Many of the big companies in the Boise area put up big bucks to support the move. That didn't occur at Idaho. That was most/much of the difference.

Which huge companies would put up many millions for the Griz?

I see that Boise St. got its 4th coach in the 6th season. 6-17 in first 2 seasons. Then 6-5. Then, they got rolling.

"Allen and Billie Dee Noble were donors to Boise State football in 1996 when the program moved to Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) football. Their contributions helped fund the stadium expansion,which included the creation of the Allen Noble Hall of Fame Gallery.

[This guy just keeps giving. He and his wife appear to be the "man" for Boise St football.]

"Boise State Athletics has received a $25 million estate gift from longtime champions of the Broncos, Allen and Billie Dee Noble. The investment will be used to benefit Bronco football, Director of Athletics Jeramiah Dickey announced Thursday. It is the largest one-time gift in the history of Boise State University.

"We are extremely grateful to Allen and Billie Dee for this extraordinary gift," said Dickey. "We choose to believe in epic at Boise State, and this transformational gift represents the belief Allen and Billie Dee had in us and Bronco Nation. Our goal is to take this incredible legacy and continue to positively impact the lives of present and future Broncos!"

Noble was a legendary local businessman and farmer, and in the late 1960s, he developed a passion for Boise State football.

For the next 40 years, he would contribute in numerous ways to the Boise State athletic department and university. He was a constant presence on the Bronco football sidelines or in the locker room. He helped fund Boise State's stadium expansion in conjunction with the program's move to FBS football in 1996. Included in that expansion was the creation of the Allen Noble Hall of Fame Gallery. He was also a member of the Bronco Athletic Association Board of Directors and recipient of the Bronze Bronco Award, the highest honor given by Boise State Athletics. Prior to the estate gift, Allen and Billie Dee's philanthropic giving exceeded $5 million.

Former Bronco quarterback Bart Hendricks, 1997-2000, witnessed first hand the impact Noble made on Bronco student-athletes.

"Allen and Billie Dee were an integral part of Bronco Football since the Lyle Smith era," said Hendricks. "They have already done so much for the university, and making a gift like this through their estate just cements their generational impact and legacy."

Boise State Athletics Receives Historic $25M Gift from Allen and Billie Dee Noble Estate - Boise State University Athletics

Investment from dedicated donors will directly benefit Bronco student-athletes

broncosports.com