Bodnar is the choice

[PlayerRep]

Here's a link to Bodnar's "resume" on the UM website. It is a resume, not a CV. Two different animals.

Edit: http://www.umt.edu/president/Presidential%20Search/Seth-Bodnar-resume_September-2017.pdf

This is just a re-post because I had omitted the link to the resume. Sorry.

Both West Point/Army and GE has said Bodnar's descriptions in his resume were accurate. What's the point of the criticism. Would love to to know who the complaining profs are. People like that ought to move on from UM.

 

[first11]

Bodnar needs to employ a chief of staff to sort this out....

 

[Jaredkuehn]

Keila is pretty notorious on campus for trolling around trying to find any dirt she can. I'm not surprised that this came from her, but wow! This is really a stretch!

 

[Jaredkuehn]

Bodnar needs to employ a chief of staff to sort this out....

I believe that position is currently posted if you are interested.

 

[UofMGrizFan]

can't believe they hired a firm to find this guy and that firm didn't due it's due diligence (probably a short internet search) and make sure this was cleared up before any interview. it all kind of fits in with the easy master's degrees that sound a lot more grand than they are... but that is the way the world goes round. company- and military- supported resume exaggerations are the way to get ahead.

What due diligence wasn't done? He said he was an asst prof in economics at West Point, and stated it the way the military does (i.e. with the last job/rank), but you think it's a big deal that he was a instructor one year and an assistant prof the next year, even though his duties were the same? See below for more detail.

In the military, it looks like resumes don't reflect every rank/position someone has held. Has anyone ever see the progression of ranks and years of General Petraeus. Same way in business and law, except perhaps saying CEO since (year).

It's funny that you don't think being no. 1 in a class of almost 1,000, a Rhodes and Truman Scholar, a SF/Ranger, and a fairly high ranking person at GE (one of its subs/divisions) is a big deal and a bigger deal than being an instructor for one year instead of an asst prof for 2 years.

Personally, I think the incredibly long and detailed CV's used sometimes in academics are ridiculous. Too long. No one reads them. Looks like a bunch of bragging.

"my resumé reflects my title as 'Assistant Professor,' the academic rank I received during that assignment.
This is a common practice for officers in reflecting their West Point time on their resumés."

Through a UM spokeswoman, a retired brigadier general also said the way Bodnar recorded his service is typical in the military. In an email, Bodnar noted his official promotion to assistant professor was in January 2011, but he said his duties did not change and the title was in recognition of his performance."

The Missoulian and some of the faculty are silent on Engstrom and what he did to UM and attendance, but those types now want to pick at something like this. This is another example of what is wrong with the Missoulian and some in academia. UM and Missoula don't need people/organizations like this. They hurt the city and the school. But perhaps the research by these profs was a bit better than that of the large group of profs who did the Hauck letter, which had no basis in fact. Why aren't the Kaila and these profs complaining but the poor research and scholarship of the other large group of profs?

i'd ask if you can even read, but then i've asked that before... anyway, i didn't say he didn't have an impressive past, nor did i say he shouldn't have been interviewed. if you don't understand why an inaccurate resume, which it appears it is, shouldn't be corrected before the interview process, there ain't much hope for you. bodnar seems to understand, which is why he's going to correct it. i know academics aren't popular on this here chatroom about a sports team representing an academic institution, but we do like our accuracy. "everybody does it" is a lame excuse. be honest. straight. you know, like so many on here blather about but don't really follow up on when it comes to themselves.

funny, i knew i'd bring the crybabies out when i made my comment about cv exaggerations, which as you yourself pointed out, read like nothing but bragging. i've read a lot of academic cv's while deciding whether to give people tenure or not, and there are always people who seem to have done way more than is possible. a little detective work usually shows they are using the english language to it's fullest to bloat their background.

dude wasn't straight on his cv, but he's now in charge of a place where some consider accuracy to be of the highest importance. the negative publicity would never have popped up had someone on the search committee or whatever just said, hey, these don't match my search, can you clarify(bqm)

Since reading comprehension is your thing, here are some direct quotes from the article:

GE would not provide the Missoulian with details of Bodnar's job titles and responsibilities, citing personnel regulations. However, through UM communications director Paula Short, HR official Adam Yeloushan of GE Transportation confirmed Bodnar had provided factual information in his resumé.

“Seth accurately characterized his employment and leadership role at GE in his resumé," Yeloushan said in the statement provided by UM.

Also in a statement provided through UM, Michael Meese, retired brigadier general, confirmed Bodnar's tenure at West Point. Meese identified himself as head of the Department of Social Sciences when Bodnar was a faculty member.

“Seth Bodnar’s characterization of his time at West Point as an assistant professor is accurate and common practice for military officers serving on the U.S. Military Academy faculty.

"As a result of his excellent performance during his first year of teaching, Seth was promoted to 'Assistant Professor.' Because the duties and responsibilities of an instructor and assistant professor at West Point are essentially the same, officers who are promoted to assistant professor during their assignment list this title on their officer record brief (ORB) for the entirety of that assignment, just as Seth did."

Hmmmm......doesn't sound like an inaccurate resume to me

Exactly.... Nicely stated StittHappened. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[first11]

Bodnar needs to employ a chief of staff to sort this out....

I believe that position is currently posted if you are interested.

Oh yeah....a spin doctor at a cool 75 bills.....of course will need a cadre of assistants.

 

[bgbigdog]

One of the marketing profs is putting out a podcast - he can explain it’s purpose better than I, & one of his more recent guests was Bodnar.

Disclaimer- I only shill for Costco, always Costco, no connection to the professor or department. If you’re interested, it can be found @ http://www.business.umt.edu/news-and-events/a-new-angle.php

If you get your pods elsewhere like iTunes, or SoundCloud, you can find it there as well. I liked what he had to say, perhaps you will/won’t based on your particular bent, but I think it hints @ what he sees as the road ahead.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

One of the marketing profs is putting out a podcast - he can explain it’s purpose better than I, & one of his more recent guests was Bodnar.

Disclaimer- I only shill for Costco, always Costco, no connection to the professor or department. If you’re interested, it can be found @ http://www.business.umt.edu/news-and-events/a-new-angle.php

If you get your pods elsewhere like iTunes, or SoundCloud, you can find it there as well. I liked what he had to say, perhaps you will/won’t based on your particular bent, but I think it hints @ what he sees as the road ahead.

Good man. No free ads for the others, brother. :thumb:

 

[AZDoc]

One of the marketing profs is putting out a podcast - he can explain it’s purpose better than I, & one of his more recent guests was Bodnar.

Disclaimer- I only shill for Costco, always Costco, no connection to the professor or department. If you’re interested, it can be found @ http://www.business.umt.edu/news-and-events/a-new-angle.php

If you get your pods elsewhere like iTunes, or SoundCloud, you can find it there as well. I liked what he had to say, perhaps you will/won’t based on your particular bent, but I think it hints @ what he sees as the road ahead.

who the crap "gets" pods? and wtf are they other than little containers to hold and move your stuff in?

 

[MTGRZ]

That was an absolute trash article. Garbage. If the Missoulian wants to be taken seriously, they should start writing meaningful articles. Was there a semantic difference on his resume? Sure. Is it THAT big of a deal? No, especially since Bodnar acknowledged it, and changed it. The Missoulian does more damage than good to UM, and by proxy, Missoula. What a joke.

 

[ORGUNGRIZ]

What a freakin joke! UM hires Bodnar as a person with the skills and disciplines to turn the mess around old rolls Royce created and the liberal Missoulian on there normal mission trying to inflict damage.
EVERYONE on there resumes does the best they can to sell themselves. Maybe Bodnar stretched titles a bit but it not like he sold himself as President of General Electric and he was actually janitor. No offense to janitors....

 

[MTGRZ]

Here's a link to Bodnar's "resume" on the UM website. It is a resume, not a CV. Two different animals.

Edit: http://www.umt.edu/president/Presidential%20Search/Seth-Bodnar-resume_September-2017.pdf

This is just a re-post because I had omitted the link to the resume. Sorry.

Both West Point/Army and GE has said Bodnar's descriptions in his resume were accurate. What's the point of the criticism. Would love to to know who the complaining profs are. People like that ought to move on from UM.

Exactly. Probably the most missed, but critical, piece of distinction in this Missoulian mess. They are tanking, fast. I get you have to "sell" newspapers, and get clicks online; but they are getting desperate, and it hurts UM and Missoula.

 

[GoldenEagle]

Here's a link to Bodnar's "resume" on the UM website. It is a resume, not a CV. Two different animals.

Both West Point/Army and GE has said Bodnar's descriptions in his resume were accurate. What's the point of the criticism. Would love to to know who the complaining profs are. People like that ought to move on from UM.

Probably the overpaid law school professors.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Here's a link to Bodnar's "resume" on the UM website. It is a resume, not a CV. Two different animals.

Both West Point/Army and GE has said Bodnar's descriptions in his resume were accurate. What's the point of the criticism. Would love to to know who the complaining profs are. People like that ought to move on from UM.

Probably the overpaid law school professors.

:lol: That's precious.
Hey, beats dealing with those diesel tech instructors whining about how the EWU provost doesn't even hold a valid forklift certification, amirite? Uptop!

 

[GoldenEagle]

Here's a link to Bodnar's "resume" on the UM website. It is a resume, not a CV. Two different animals.

Both West Point/Army and GE has said Bodnar's descriptions in his resume were accurate. What's the point of the criticism. Would love to to know who the complaining profs are. People like that ought to move on from UM.

Probably the overpaid law school professors.

:lol: That's precious.
Hey, beats dealing with those diesel tech instructors whining about how the EWU provost doesn't even hold a valid forklift certification, amirite? Uptop!

OOPS, I didn't realize you were a lawyer/parasite. Some of us earned our doctorate.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Here's a link to Bodnar's "resume" on the UM website. It is a resume, not a CV. Two different animals.

Both West Point/Army and GE has said Bodnar's descriptions in his resume were accurate. What's the point of the criticism. Would love to to know who the complaining profs are. People like that ought to move on from UM.

Probably the overpaid law school professors.

:lol: That's precious.
Hey, beats dealing with those diesel tech instructors whining about how the EWU provost doesn't even hold a valid forklift certification, amirite? Uptop!

OOPS, I didn't realize you were a lawyer/parasite. Some of us earned our doctorate.

I didn't say I was. Also, you're not a doctor; you're only a dentist.

 

[biga75]

Probably the overpaid law school professors.

:lol: That's precious.
Hey, beats dealing with those diesel tech instructors whining about how the EWU provost doesn't even hold a valid forklift certification, amirite? Uptop!

OOPS, I didn't realize you were a lawyer/parasite. Some of us earned our doctorate.

I didn't say I was. Also, you're not a doctor; you're only a dentist.

You sound like an anti-dentite

 

[behappp]

I like how Bodnar owned up to the factual minor missteps in his resume. Own up, move on, and the whole story will go away before you can learn to pronounce Keila Szpaller.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

The BOR knew exactly who they hired and the qualifications. This is a gigantic waste of time and unworthy of any sort of press... It does nothing to improve the school, address the real challenges, or better the students experience and ability to be properly educated for the work force.

 

[argh!]

can't believe they hired a firm to find this guy and that firm didn't due it's due diligence (probably a short internet search) and make sure this was cleared up before any interview. it all kind of fits in with the easy master's degrees that sound a lot more grand than they are... but that is the way the world goes round. company- and military- supported resume exaggerations are the way to get ahead.

What due diligence wasn't done? He said he was an asst prof in economics at West Point, and stated it the way the military does (i.e. with the last job/rank), but you think it's a big deal that he was a instructor one year and an assistant prof the next year, even though his duties were the same? See below for more detail.

In the military, it looks like resumes don't reflect every rank/position someone has held. Has anyone ever see the progression of ranks and years of General Petraeus. Same way in business and law, except perhaps saying CEO since (year).

It's funny that you don't think being no. 1 in a class of almost 1,000, a Rhodes and Truman Scholar, a SF/Ranger, and a fairly high ranking person at GE (one of its subs/divisions) is a big deal and a bigger deal than being an instructor for one year instead of an asst prof for 2 years.

Personally, I think the incredibly long and detailed CV's used sometimes in academics are ridiculous. Too long. No one reads them. Looks like a bunch of bragging.

"my resumé reflects my title as 'Assistant Professor,' the academic rank I received during that assignment.
This is a common practice for officers in reflecting their West Point time on their resumés."

Through a UM spokeswoman, a retired brigadier general also said the way Bodnar recorded his service is typical in the military. In an email, Bodnar noted his official promotion to assistant professor was in January 2011, but he said his duties did not change and the title was in recognition of his performance."

The Missoulian and some of the faculty are silent on Engstrom and what he did to UM and attendance, but those types now want to pick at something like this. This is another example of what is wrong with the Missoulian and some in academia. UM and Missoula don't need people/organizations like this. They hurt the city and the school. But perhaps the research by these profs was a bit better than that of the large group of profs who did the Hauck letter, which had no basis in fact. Why aren't the Kaila and these profs complaining but the poor research and scholarship of the other large group of profs?

i'd ask if you can even read, but then i've asked that before... anyway, i didn't say he didn't have an impressive past, nor did i say he shouldn't have been interviewed. if you don't understand why an inaccurate resume, which it appears it is, shouldn't be corrected before the interview process, there ain't much hope for you. bodnar seems to understand, which is why he's going to correct it. i know academics aren't popular on this here chatroom about a sports team representing an academic institution, but we do like our accuracy. "everybody does it" is a lame excuse. be honest. straight. you know, like so many on here blather about but don't really follow up on when it comes to themselves.

funny, i knew i'd bring the crybabies out when i made my comment about cv exaggerations, which as you yourself pointed out, read like nothing but bragging. i've read a lot of academic cv's while deciding whether to give people tenure or not, and there are always people who seem to have done way more than is possible. a little detective work usually shows they are using the english language to it's fullest to bloat their background.

dude wasn't straight on his cv, but he's now in charge of a place where some consider accuracy to be of the highest importance. the negative publicity would never have popped up had someone on the search committee or whatever just said, hey, these don't match my search, can you clarify(bqm)

Since reading comprehension is your thing, here are some direct quotes from the article:

GE would not provide the Missoulian with details of Bodnar's job titles and responsibilities, citing personnel regulations. However, through UM communications director Paula Short, HR official Adam Yeloushan of GE Transportation confirmed Bodnar had provided factual information in his resumé.

“Seth accurately characterized his employment and leadership role at GE in his resumé," Yeloushan said in the statement provided by UM.

Also in a statement provided through UM, Michael Meese, retired brigadier general, confirmed Bodnar's tenure at West Point. Meese identified himself as head of the Department of Social Sciences when Bodnar was a faculty member.

“Seth Bodnar’s characterization of his time at West Point as an assistant professor is accurate and common practice for military officers serving on the U.S. Military Academy faculty.

"As a result of his excellent performance during his first year of teaching, Seth was promoted to 'Assistant Professor.' Because the duties and responsibilities of an instructor and assistant professor at West Point are essentially the same, officers who are promoted to assistant professor during their assignment list this title on their officer record brief (ORB) for the entirety of that assignment, just as Seth did."

Hmmmm......doesn't sound like an inaccurate resume to me

then why's he going to change it(bqm)