Bodnar is the choice

[PlayerRep]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/culture-clash-university-of-montana-president-s-corporate-resume-raises/article_f9d897df-cd10-5140-8cb7-3e54366797e0.html#tracking

Keila (#gwenfriend) on the attack already. She will be covering the upcoming forum...so there's that.

She seemed to like Engstrom just fine. Go figure.

can't believe they hired a firm to find this guy and that firm didn't due it's due diligence (probably a short internet search) and make sure this was cleared up before any interview. it all kind of fits in with the easy master's degrees that sound a lot more grand than they are... but that is the way the world goes round. company- and military- supported resume exaggerations are the way to get ahead.

What due diligence wasn't done? He said he was an asst prof in economics at West Point, and stated it the way the military does (i.e. with the last job/rank), but you think it's a big deal that he was a instructor one year and an assistant prof the next year, even though his duties were the same? See below for more detail.

In the military, it looks like resumes don't reflect every rank/position someone has held. Has anyone ever see the progression of ranks and years of General Petraeus. Same way in business and law, except perhaps saying CEO since (year).

It's funny that you don't think being no. 1 in a class of almost 1,000, a Rhodes and Truman Scholar, a SF/Ranger, and a fairly high ranking person at GE (one of its subs/divisions) is a big deal and a bigger deal than being an instructor for one year instead of an asst prof for 2 years.

Personally, I think the incredibly long and detailed CV's used sometimes in academics are ridiculous. Too long. No one reads them. Looks like a bunch of bragging.

"my resumé reflects my title as 'Assistant Professor,' the academic rank I received during that assignment.
This is a common practice for officers in reflecting their West Point time on their resumés."

Through a UM spokeswoman, a retired brigadier general also said the way Bodnar recorded his service is typical in the military. In an email, Bodnar noted his official promotion to assistant professor was in January 2011, but he said his duties did not change and the title was in recognition of his performance."

The Missoulian and some of the faculty are silent on Engstrom and what he did to UM and attendance, but those types now want to pick at something like this. This is another example of what is wrong with the Missoulian and some in academia. UM and Missoula don't need people/organizations like this. They hurt the city and the school. But perhaps the research by these profs was a bit better than that of the large group of profs who did the Hauck letter, which had no basis in fact. Why aren't the Kaila and these profs complaining but the poor research and scholarship of the other large group of profs?

 

[grizcountry420]

That sad story was a complete and utter fail, on so many levels. The headline states his corporate resume raises concerns, yet the HR dept at GE confirms his resume was factual. The hit continues with prof who attacks his resume from his experience at West Point, yet the story buries the fact that "Bodnar’s characterization of his time at West Point as an assistant professor is accurate and common practice for military officers serving on the U.S. Military Academy faculty."

The author of this Missoulian hit piece is likely worried that her slacker friends at the U are gonna find themselves ass first on the street if they don't step in line and get on Bodner's train. He'll weed out the dead weight that's been dragging the U down. He'll find people that have the interest of the U first.

You're exactly right.

 

[grizpack]

Good. I hope the academics are extremely uncomfortable. This is exactly what the University has needed for a long time. MSU got it with their last hire, and now UM has finally got it right. Keep going Seth!!!

 

[argh!]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/culture-clash-university-of-montana-president-s-corporate-resume-raises/article_f9d897df-cd10-5140-8cb7-3e54366797e0.html#tracking

Keila (#gwenfriend) on the attack already. She will be covering the upcoming forum...so there's that.

She seemed to like Engstrom just fine. Go figure.

can't believe they hired a firm to find this guy and that firm didn't due it's due diligence (probably a short internet search) and make sure this was cleared up before any interview. it all kind of fits in with the easy master's degrees that sound a lot more grand than they are... but that is the way the world goes round. company- and military- supported resume exaggerations are the way to get ahead.

What due diligence wasn't done? He said he was an asst prof in economics at West Point, and stated it the way the military does (i.e. with the last job/rank), but you think it's a big deal that he was a instructor one year and an assistant prof the next year, even though his duties were the same? See below for more detail.

In the military, it looks like resumes don't reflect every rank/position someone has held. Has anyone ever see the progression of ranks and years of General Petraeus. Same way in business and law, except perhaps saying CEO since (year).

It's funny that you don't think being no. 1 in a class of almost 1,000, a Rhodes and Truman Scholar, a SF/Ranger, and a fairly high ranking person at GE (one of its subs/divisions) is a big deal and a bigger deal than being an instructor for one year instead of an asst prof for 2 years.

Personally, I think the incredibly long and detailed CV's used sometimes in academics are ridiculous. Too long. No one reads them. Looks like a bunch of bragging.

"my resumé reflects my title as 'Assistant Professor,' the academic rank I received during that assignment.
This is a common practice for officers in reflecting their West Point time on their resumés."

Through a UM spokeswoman, a retired brigadier general also said the way Bodnar recorded his service is typical in the military. In an email, Bodnar noted his official promotion to assistant professor was in January 2011, but he said his duties did not change and the title was in recognition of his performance."

The Missoulian and some of the faculty are silent on Engstrom and what he did to UM and attendance, but those types now want to pick at something like this. This is another example of what is wrong with the Missoulian and some in academia. UM and Missoula don't need people/organizations like this. They hurt the city and the school. But perhaps the research by these profs was a bit better than that of the large group of profs who did the Hauck letter, which had no basis in fact. Why aren't the Kaila and these profs complaining but the poor research and scholarship of the other large group of profs?

i'd ask if you can even read, but then i've asked that before... anyway, i didn't say he didn't have an impressive past, nor did i say he shouldn't have been interviewed. if you don't understand why an inaccurate resume, which it appears it is, shouldn't be corrected before the interview process, there ain't much hope for you. bodnar seems to understand, which is why he's going to correct it. i know academics aren't popular on this here chatroom about a sports team representing an academic institution, but we do like our accuracy. "everybody does it" is a lame excuse. be honest. straight. you know, like so many on here blather about but don't really follow up on when it comes to themselves.

funny, i knew i'd bring the crybabies out when i made my comment about cv exaggerations, which as you yourself pointed out, read like nothing but bragging. i've read a lot of academic cv's while deciding whether to give people tenure or not, and there are always people who seem to have done way more than is possible. a little detective work usually shows they are using the english language to it's fullest to bloat their background.

dude wasn't straight on his cv, but he's now in charge of a place where some consider accuracy to be of the highest importance. the negative publicity would never have popped up had someone on the search committee or whatever just said, hey, these don't match my search, can you clarify(bqm)

 

[argh!]

Good. I hope the academics are extremely uncomfortable. This is exactly what the University has needed for a long time. MSU got it with their last hire, and now UM has finally got it right. Keep going Seth!!!

what's your point(bqm) keep up the inaccuracies, seth(bqm) or way to correct your incorrect cv, seth!

 

[AZDoc]

Good. I hope the academics are extremely uncomfortable. This is exactly what the University has needed for a long time. MSU got it with their last hire, and now UM has finally got it right. Keep going Seth!!!

100% agree! Their little secluded group will have someone to actually report to! Can't have that, so they are grasping for straws.

 

[AZDoc]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/culture-clash-university-of-montana-president-s-corporate-resume-raises/article_f9d897df-cd10-5140-8cb7-3e54366797e0.html#tracking

Keila (#gwenfriend) on the attack already. She will be covering the upcoming forum...so there's that.

She seemed to like Engstrom just fine. Go figure.

can't believe they hired a firm to find this guy and that firm didn't due it's due diligence (probably a short internet search) and make sure this was cleared up before any interview. it all kind of fits in with the easy master's degrees that sound a lot more grand than they are... but that is the way the world goes round. company- and military- supported resume exaggerations are the way to get ahead.

What due diligence wasn't done? He said he was an asst prof in economics at West Point, and stated it the way the military does (i.e. with the last job/rank), but you think it's a big deal that he was a instructor one year and an assistant prof the next year, even though his duties were the same? See below for more detail.

In the military, it looks like resumes don't reflect every rank/position someone has held. Has anyone ever see the progression of ranks and years of General Petraeus. Same way in business and law, except perhaps saying CEO since (year).

It's funny that you don't think being no. 1 in a class of almost 1,000, a Rhodes and Truman Scholar, a SF/Ranger, and a fairly high ranking person at GE (one of its subs/divisions) is a big deal and a bigger deal than being an instructor for one year instead of an asst prof for 2 years.

Personally, I think the incredibly long and detailed CV's used sometimes in academics are ridiculous. Too long. No one reads them. Looks like a bunch of bragging.

"my resumé reflects my title as 'Assistant Professor,' the academic rank I received during that assignment.
This is a common practice for officers in reflecting their West Point time on their resumés."

Through a UM spokeswoman, a retired brigadier general also said the way Bodnar recorded his service is typical in the military. In an email, Bodnar noted his official promotion to assistant professor was in January 2011, but he said his duties did not change and the title was in recognition of his performance."

The Missoulian and some of the faculty are silent on Engstrom and what he did to UM and attendance, but those types now want to pick at something like this. This is another example of what is wrong with the Missoulian and some in academia. UM and Missoula don't need people/organizations like this. They hurt the city and the school. But perhaps the research by these profs was a bit better than that of the large group of profs who did the Hauck letter, which had no basis in fact. Why aren't the Kaila and these profs complaining but the poor research and scholarship of the other large group of profs?

i'd ask if you can even read, but then i've asked that before... anyway, i didn't say he didn't have an impressive past, nor did i say he shouldn't have been interviewed. if you don't understand why an inaccurate resume, which it appears it is, shouldn't be corrected before the interview process, there ain't much hope for you. bodnar seems to understand, which is why he's going to correct it. i know academics aren't popular on this here chatroom about a sports team representing an academic institution, but we do like our accuracy. "everybody does it" is a lame excuse. be honest. straight. you know, like so many on here blather about but don't really follow up on when it comes to themselves.

funny, i knew i'd bring the crybabies out when i made my comment about cv exaggerations, which as you yourself pointed out, read like nothing but bragging. i've read a lot of academic cv's while deciding whether to give people tenure or not, and there are always people who seem to have done way more than is possible. a little detective work usually shows they are using the english language to it's fullest to bloat their background.

dude wasn't straight on his cv, but he's now in charge of a place where some consider accuracy to be of the highest importance. the negative publicity would never have popped up had someone on the search committee or whatever just said, hey, these don't match my search, can you clarify(bqm)

Doesn't is say that it's the verbiage that's different vs what was actually done? So on my CV if I say orthopedics that's NOT EXACTLY correct because I do Sports Medicine?

 

[reinell30]

Just a dumb ass military guy here. Has Mr. Bodnar screwed up the university already? Has he done something wrong that discredits UM? Just curious since he has been on the job almost two months... Why is it that it seems somebody is always out to destroy someone else in Missoula? Is Missoula that bad that people can't respect another's achievements?

 

[StittHappened]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/culture-clash-university-of-montana-president-s-corporate-resume-raises/article_f9d897df-cd10-5140-8cb7-3e54366797e0.html#tracking

Keila (#gwenfriend) on the attack already. She will be covering the upcoming forum...so there's that.

She seemed to like Engstrom just fine. Go figure.

can't believe they hired a firm to find this guy and that firm didn't due it's due diligence (probably a short internet search) and make sure this was cleared up before any interview. it all kind of fits in with the easy master's degrees that sound a lot more grand than they are... but that is the way the world goes round. company- and military- supported resume exaggerations are the way to get ahead.

What due diligence wasn't done? He said he was an asst prof in economics at West Point, and stated it the way the military does (i.e. with the last job/rank), but you think it's a big deal that he was a instructor one year and an assistant prof the next year, even though his duties were the same? See below for more detail.

In the military, it looks like resumes don't reflect every rank/position someone has held. Has anyone ever see the progression of ranks and years of General Petraeus. Same way in business and law, except perhaps saying CEO since (year).

It's funny that you don't think being no. 1 in a class of almost 1,000, a Rhodes and Truman Scholar, a SF/Ranger, and a fairly high ranking person at GE (one of its subs/divisions) is a big deal and a bigger deal than being an instructor for one year instead of an asst prof for 2 years.

Personally, I think the incredibly long and detailed CV's used sometimes in academics are ridiculous. Too long. No one reads them. Looks like a bunch of bragging.

"my resumé reflects my title as 'Assistant Professor,' the academic rank I received during that assignment.
This is a common practice for officers in reflecting their West Point time on their resumés."

Through a UM spokeswoman, a retired brigadier general also said the way Bodnar recorded his service is typical in the military. In an email, Bodnar noted his official promotion to assistant professor was in January 2011, but he said his duties did not change and the title was in recognition of his performance."

The Missoulian and some of the faculty are silent on Engstrom and what he did to UM and attendance, but those types now want to pick at something like this. This is another example of what is wrong with the Missoulian and some in academia. UM and Missoula don't need people/organizations like this. They hurt the city and the school. But perhaps the research by these profs was a bit better than that of the large group of profs who did the Hauck letter, which had no basis in fact. Why aren't the Kaila and these profs complaining but the poor research and scholarship of the other large group of profs?

i'd ask if you can even read, but then i've asked that before... anyway, i didn't say he didn't have an impressive past, nor did i say he shouldn't have been interviewed. if you don't understand why an inaccurate resume, which it appears it is, shouldn't be corrected before the interview process, there ain't much hope for you. bodnar seems to understand, which is why he's going to correct it. i know academics aren't popular on this here chatroom about a sports team representing an academic institution, but we do like our accuracy. "everybody does it" is a lame excuse. be honest. straight. you know, like so many on here blather about but don't really follow up on when it comes to themselves.

funny, i knew i'd bring the crybabies out when i made my comment about cv exaggerations, which as you yourself pointed out, read like nothing but bragging. i've read a lot of academic cv's while deciding whether to give people tenure or not, and there are always people who seem to have done way more than is possible. a little detective work usually shows they are using the english language to it's fullest to bloat their background.

dude wasn't straight on his cv, but he's now in charge of a place where some consider accuracy to be of the highest importance. the negative publicity would never have popped up had someone on the search committee or whatever just said, hey, these don't match my search, can you clarify(bqm)

Since reading comprehension is your thing, here are some direct quotes from the article:

GE would not provide the Missoulian with details of Bodnar's job titles and responsibilities, citing personnel regulations. However, through UM communications director Paula Short, HR official Adam Yeloushan of GE Transportation confirmed Bodnar had provided factual information in his resumé.

“Seth accurately characterized his employment and leadership role at GE in his resumé," Yeloushan said in the statement provided by UM.

Also in a statement provided through UM, Michael Meese, retired brigadier general, confirmed Bodnar's tenure at West Point. Meese identified himself as head of the Department of Social Sciences when Bodnar was a faculty member.

“Seth Bodnar’s characterization of his time at West Point as an assistant professor is accurate and common practice for military officers serving on the U.S. Military Academy faculty.

"As a result of his excellent performance during his first year of teaching, Seth was promoted to 'Assistant Professor.' Because the duties and responsibilities of an instructor and assistant professor at West Point are essentially the same, officers who are promoted to assistant professor during their assignment list this title on their officer record brief (ORB) for the entirety of that assignment, just as Seth did."

Hmmmm......doesn't sound like an inaccurate resume to me

 

[grizpsych]

I really can't and won't make an opinion about what it means to be an assistant professor at the U.S. Military Academy. However, I will point out that unless the academic area does not offer a doctorate degree, a person could never become an assistant professor at a public/private university without a doctorate degree. You can be an instructor with a masters, but not a doctorate.

Regardless, I don't think this really matters.

 

[PlayerRep]

argh proving once again that he, an academic, can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[PlayerRep]

Here's a link to Bodnar's "resume" on the UM website. It is a resume, not a CV. Two different animals.

Both West Point/Army and GE has said Bodnar's descriptions in his resume were accurate. What's the point of the criticism. Would love to to know who the complaining profs are. People like that ought to move on from UM.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

http://missoulian.com/news/local/culture-clash-university-of-montana-president-s-corporate-resume-raises/article_f9d897df-cd10-5140-8cb7-3e54366797e0.html#tracking

Keila (#gwenfriend) on the attack already. She will be covering the upcoming forum...so there's that.

She seemed to like Engstrom just fine. Go figure.

can't believe they hired a firm to find this guy and that firm didn't due it's due diligence (probably a short internet search) and make sure this was cleared up before any interview. it all kind of fits in with the easy master's degrees that sound a lot more grand than they are... but that is the way the world goes round. company- and military- supported resume exaggerations are the way to get ahead.

What due diligence wasn't done? He said he was an asst prof in economics at West Point, and stated it the way the military does (i.e. with the last job/rank), but you think it's a big deal that he was a instructor one year and an assistant prof the next year, even though his duties were the same? See below for more detail.

In the military, it looks like resumes don't reflect every rank/position someone has held. Has anyone ever see the progression of ranks and years of General Petraeus. Same way in business and law, except perhaps saying CEO since (year).

It's funny that you don't think being no. 1 in a class of almost 1,000, a Rhodes and Truman Scholar, a SF/Ranger, and a fairly high ranking person at GE (one of its subs/divisions) is a big deal and a bigger deal than being an instructor for one year instead of an asst prof for 2 years.

Personally, I think the incredibly long and detailed CV's used sometimes in academics are ridiculous. Too long. No one reads them. Looks like a bunch of bragging.

"my resumé reflects my title as 'Assistant Professor,' the academic rank I received during that assignment.
This is a common practice for officers in reflecting their West Point time on their resumés."

Through a UM spokeswoman, a retired brigadier general also said the way Bodnar recorded his service is typical in the military. In an email, Bodnar noted his official promotion to assistant professor was in January 2011, but he said his duties did not change and the title was in recognition of his performance."

The Missoulian and some of the faculty are silent on Engstrom and what he did to UM and attendance, but those types now want to pick at something like this. This is another example of what is wrong with the Missoulian and some in academia. UM and Missoula don't need people/organizations like this. They hurt the city and the school. But perhaps the research by these profs was a bit better than that of the large group of profs who did the Hauck letter, which had no basis in fact. Why aren't the Kaila and these profs complaining but the poor research and scholarship of the other large group of profs?

i'd ask if you can even read, but then i've asked that before... anyway, i didn't say he didn't have an impressive past, nor did i say he shouldn't have been interviewed. if you don't understand why an inaccurate resume, which it appears it is, shouldn't be corrected before the interview process, there ain't much hope for you. bodnar seems to understand, which is why he's going to correct it. i know academics aren't popular on this here chatroom about a sports team representing an academic institution, but we do like our accuracy. "everybody does it" is a lame excuse. be honest. straight. you know, like so many on here blather about but don't really follow up on when it comes to themselves.

funny, i knew i'd bring the crybabies out when i made my comment about cv exaggerations, which as you yourself pointed out, read like nothing but bragging. i've read a lot of academic cv's while deciding whether to give people tenure or not, and there are always people who seem to have done way more than is possible. a little detective work usually shows they are using the english language to it's fullest to bloat their background.

dude wasn't straight on his cv, but he's now in charge of a place where some consider accuracy to be of the highest importance. the negative publicity would never have popped up had someone on the search committee or whatever just said, hey, these don't match my search, can you clarify(bqm)

I think most people are actually saying....why the fuck is this what were worried about...because the last Jackhole that walked through the presidents doors probably had a squeaky clean Academic CV....and look where that perfect CV got us....

 

[bgbigdog]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/kyle_sample/status/966335475244875776[/tweet]

This.

Hopefully, no one forgot there’s revenue out there to get & today, unless it’s polarized content, nobody cares. And as such, nobody gets paid.

 

[grizpack]

You would think the Missoulian could have done this same type of research that a bunch of heathens on a message board could do. After all, Missoulian..... It is kind of your job.....

 

[go96griz]

Missoula functions much better when the Missoulian and the University get along. Several years ago the Missoulian forgot this and went on the attack. Things haven't gone well for either institution since that time. It's time for the Missoulian to partner with UM again and maybe, just maybe community support will grow for both places and make Missoula a better place as well.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Holy crap. This reads like sour grapes to me. Do these people WANT to have their job threatened? Because manufacturing controversy like this will sap momentum and can further damage the University. Sorry he isn’t a PhD like the rest of you. Sheesh. Must be some faculty with programs on the chopping block that are lashing out.

 

[Raider]

Missoula functions much better when the Missoulian and the University get along. Several years ago the Missoulian forgot this and went on the attack. Things haven't gone well for either institution since that time. It's time for the Missoulian to partner with UM again and maybe, just maybe community support will grow for both places and make Missoula a better place as well.

Great comments.

I just had this exact conversation with our ad rep from the Missoulian. Fundamentally, it’s very hard for me to spend advertising dollars with an organization that has this type of relationship with the University I care so much about. I know many, many local businesses that are having the same intellectual struggle. The problem is (coming from our ad rep), that the news room could give a shit less, and they don’t realize how they are hurting themselves. They are going to fall on their swords to carry out their mission. The lack of common business sense is amazing.

 

[grizatwork]

Missoula functions much better when the Missoulian and the University get along. Several years ago the Missoulian forgot this and went on the attack. Things haven't gone well for either institution since that time. It's time for the Missoulian to partner with UM again and maybe, just maybe community support will grow for both places and make Missoula a better place as well.

Great comments.

I just had this exact conversation with our ad rep from the Missoulian. Fundamentally, it’s very hard for me to spend advertising dollars with an organization that has this type of relationship with the University I care so much about. I know many, many local businesses that are having the same intellectual struggle. The problem is (coming from our ad rep), that the news room could give a shit less, and they don’t realize how they are hurting themselves. They are going to fall on their swords to carry out their mission. The lack of common business sense is amazing.

I would have no problem with them falling on their swords if their reporting were factual and based on common journalistic ethics. I am a big fan of the 4th estate and it has proven to be a god send when our checks and balances fail. However, the shortened news cycle and even shorter attention span of the average consumer has led to short cuts and slipping of journalistic ethics in order to stay relevant. I don't know what the answer is, but I would be surprised if you could hold a Montana newspaper in your hands in 10 years.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

If there weren't faculty concerned about changes that may occur with Bodnar, then I would be concerned. Our University does not need small changes. Unfortunately that may mean complete overhauls of multiple or possibly all departments and complete elimination of others. I dont wish anyone to lose their job but there are bigger outcomes at stake for UM than individual jobs or even the survival of specific programs. That is how dire our situation is.