Bobby Hauck was a class act with student reporters

[EverettGriz]

Before all that I had written the hell out of some women’s tennis stories.

:lol:

I don’t hold it against him for getting his numbers mixed up.

:lol:

Solid post, Tyson. And post more often.

 

[EverettGriz]

Your IP/posting address was showing up as ESPN, I thought in Connecticut, last night.

Yep. That's creepy. :?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Y3345. Appreciate your well constructed posts. First to get my attention was when, it appears, you believe Griz football grew and benefited from the growth period of the institution. Academic folk argue that. Others believe enrollment follows football success. Now. During the time of Hauck's Kiamin debacle the J school brought in a guest lecturer whose claim to fame was baiting NFL coaches at press conferences, leading to is availability that semester.....because he couldn't get a job. The Kiamin wanna-bes surprised Hauck using his style and Hauck reacted poorly to it. I'm happy to hear both are currently doing well. Long term, I believe it is better to have a mutually respectful relationship with the folks you're covering. Hauck has learned. I hope your buddies do.

The Pollner guest lecturer that year was Chris Jones, who was a staff writer for Esquire and ESPN The Magazine. When the Kaimin asked Hauck several times why the players were out of the lineup after that fight, and Hauck reacted the way he did — "you're done for the day and you'll be done for the year if you keep asking me about the same thing i've answered four f---ing times" -- Chris waited until the press conference was over and asked to speak privately with Hauck, saying hey, he was with ESPN, can we discuss this? These are students here. Hauck obliged, surprised someone from ESPN was there. They disagreed on how the question was handled, Hauck continued to be mad, and so Chris told the Kaimin they should do what journalists go, return to every press conference and continue asking questions. Hauck refused to answer them, even ones about football. These things happen in regular team/media interactions, but they don't drag on for months until the university president intervenes and says "enough."

Going back to every press conference to ask the same questions is exactly what I find to be incredibly rude and obnoxious. If that is what is talk at the J-School, then I have even less respect for the school. Like I said, these Kaimin "reporters" were little pricks. I'm glad Hauck wouldn't talk to them.

I'd like to see them try that with Greg Gianforte. Ha.

Obviously, the reporters at UNLV's school paper were more polite, and really more skillful in my view, and they got good access, good information, and good treatment from Hauck. Funny how that happens when people are nice, respectful and polite, instead of jerks.

Is Chris Jones that Kaimin visitor that eventually got run out of UM/Missoula? One of those visitors did.

So I think some of you know I’ve posted occasionally on here over the years. Always with my real name. I actually enjoy most of the discussions on these boards.

I like the Griz. I would like to see them win. That’s not fluff. Feel free to ask Brint.

There’s one thing I’d like to clear up. It’s the only thing I really want to get into on this matter.

Let’s talk about the “Four f***[*] times” thing.

I had been on the beat for about a month at the time this all started to go down. Every single story I wrote prior to that was positive. If I remember correctly, our preseason GameDay issues was a cover story I wrote about Chase Reynolds. Throughout my time at Montana, he was one of the players I respected the most and it’s been fun to follow his career post-Montana.

Before all that I had written the hell out of some women’s tennis stories.

During the first game, I noticed, like everyone else, that Johnson and Swink didn’t play. In the postgame press conference, I asked Hauck why they didn’t. He gave me a non-answer. I believe it was “They weren’t ready to compete” or something along those lines.

That’s time No. 1.

A few days later, after watching practice, I interviewed Hauck afterwards about a host of subjects. At the very end, because people were still asking us why they hadn’t played, I followed up. Was I acting like a spoiled, prick of a reporter when I asked him “Hey, I know you didn’t answer last week, but is it fair to say they didn’t play because of a violation of team rules?” He said he wouldn’t say that. If he would have said yes, I write the story then and it’s over with. That’s all we were looking for.

That was time No. 2.

Since Hauck was being vague about why they didn’t play, we started to look into it more. Once I learned there was a fight and interviewed three people about the matter, I went back to Hauck. I didn’t ask him during the press conference in front of everyone else, I didn’t yell out my questions for everyone else to hear. I pulled Hauck aside after the press conference and said, “This is what we know.” and told him what we knew. That’s when he swatted my tape recorder and said the “Four f***[*] times” thing. I don’t hold it against him for getting his numbers mixed up.

So, to sum up: Had a question, didn’t get an answer. Asked again a few days later. And finally once we had information, I tried to give Hauck and the players the ability to defend themselves, or comment contrary to what the witnesses had told me. That’s our job, to try and talk to all parties involved.

Obviously they didn’t want to participate. Feel free to track down anyone who was in the room during any of those exchanges and ask them about my attitude. Cocky? I was a nervous 19-year-old whose stomach was churning every single time I mustered up the guts to finally ask a question.

Hope that clears some stuff up for you guys. I know it won’t for most. PlayerRep will likely ask me again whether or not I’ve played sports. That’s fine.

Go Griz.

It's a good post ^^. Thanks for sharing. My bet is BH would not do it this way again. I have no way of knowing that, however. My guess is he has learned from it.

I also bet you don't have a churning stomach when asking questions anymore.

Thanks again.

 

[PlayerRep]

Y3345. Appreciate your well constructed posts. First to get my attention was when, it appears, you believe Griz football grew and benefited from the growth period of the institution. Academic folk argue that. Others believe enrollment follows football success. Now. During the time of Hauck's Kiamin debacle the J school brought in a guest lecturer whose claim to fame was baiting NFL coaches at press conferences, leading to is availability that semester.....because he couldn't get a job. The Kiamin wanna-bes surprised Hauck using his style and Hauck reacted poorly to it. I'm happy to hear both are currently doing well. Long term, I believe it is better to have a mutually respectful relationship with the folks you're covering. Hauck has learned. I hope your buddies do.

The Pollner guest lecturer that year was Chris Jones, who was a staff writer for Esquire and ESPN The Magazine. When the Kaimin asked Hauck several times why the players were out of the lineup after that fight, and Hauck reacted the way he did — "you're done for the day and you'll be done for the year if you keep asking me about the same thing i've answered four f---ing times" -- Chris waited until the press conference was over and asked to speak privately with Hauck, saying hey, he was with ESPN, can we discuss this? These are students here. Hauck obliged, surprised someone from ESPN was there. They disagreed on how the question was handled, Hauck continued to be mad, and so Chris told the Kaimin they should do what journalists go, return to every press conference and continue asking questions. Hauck refused to answer them, even ones about football. These things happen in regular team/media interactions, but they don't drag on for months until the university president intervenes and says "enough."

Going back to every press conference to ask the same questions is exactly what I find to be incredibly rude and obnoxious. If that is what is talk at the J-School, then I have even less respect for the school. Like I said, these Kaimin "reporters" were little pricks. I'm glad Hauck wouldn't talk to them.

I'd like to see them try that with Greg Gianforte. Ha.

Obviously, the reporters at UNLV's school paper were more polite, and really more skillful in my view, and they got good access, good information, and good treatment from Hauck. Funny how that happens when people are nice, respectful and polite, instead of jerks.

Is Chris Jones that Kaimin visitor that eventually got run out of UM/Missoula? One of those visitors did.

So I think some of you know I’ve posted occasionally on here over the years. Always with my real name. I actually enjoy most of the discussions on these boards.

I like the Griz. I would like to see them win. That’s not fluff. Feel free to ask Brint.

There’s one thing I’d like to clear up. It’s the only thing I really want to get into on this matter.

Let’s talk about the “Four f***[*] times” thing.

I had been on the beat for about a month at the time this all started to go down. Every single story I wrote prior to that was positive. If I remember correctly, our preseason GameDay issues was a cover story I wrote about Chase Reynolds. Throughout my time at Montana, he was one of the players I respected the most and it’s been fun to follow his career post-Montana.

Before all that I had written the hell out of some women’s tennis stories.

During the first game, I noticed, like everyone else, that Johnson and Swink didn’t play. In the postgame press conference, I asked Hauck why they didn’t. He gave me a non-answer. I believe it was “They weren’t ready to compete” or something along those lines.

That’s time No. 1.

A few days later, after watching practice, I interviewed Hauck afterwards about a host of subjects. At the very end, because people were still asking us why they hadn’t played, I followed up. Was I acting like a spoiled, prick of a reporter when I asked him “Hey, I know you didn’t answer last week, but is it fair to say they didn’t play because of a violation of team rules?” He said he wouldn’t say that. If he would have said yes, I write the story then and it’s over with. That’s all we were looking for.

That was time No. 2.

Since Hauck was being vague about why they didn’t play, we started to look into it more. Once I learned there was a fight and interviewed three people about the matter, I went back to Hauck. I didn’t ask him during the press conference in front of everyone else, I didn’t yell out my questions for everyone else to hear. I pulled Hauck aside after the press conference and said, “This is what we know.” and told him what we knew. That’s when he swatted my tape recorder and said the “Four f***[*] times” thing. I don’t hold it against him for getting his numbers mixed up.

So, to sum up: Had a question, didn’t get an answer. Asked again a few days later. And finally once we had information, I tried to give Hauck and the players the ability to defend themselves, or comment contrary to what the witnesses had told me. That’s our job, to try and talk to all parties involved.

Obviously they didn’t want to participate. Feel free to track down anyone who was in the room during any of those exchanges and ask them about my attitude. Cocky? I was a nervous 19-year-old whose stomach was churning every single time I mustered up the guts to finally ask a question.

Hope that clears some stuff up for you guys. I know it won’t for most. PlayerRep will likely ask me again whether or not I’ve played sports. That’s fine.

Go Griz.

So, who wrote the article sort of dissing the father of the kid involved with the fight with the 2 Griz? Was it you, or someone else?

Who wrote the later Kaimin editorial going after Hauck? My recollection was that it wasn't you.

Regardless of what may be taught in journalism class, my view is that asking a question over and over again of a college coach, or a politician, in MT, is a bad idea, rude, obnoxious, and is going to negatively impact your relationship with the coach/person. Twice would be plenty. My life and business are built on relationships. I guess yours, or some reporters, isn't.

Hopefully, you learned something from that time. Do you still keep asking questions over and over?

I think you may have written a story for Pflugrad a number of years ago (or maybe it wasn't you). I liked the story.

I know who you are. I had seen your around when you were in Missoula. I actually don't care if you played sports, and has nothing to do with developing relationships with people when you are 19 years old.

While no big deal, and certainly no big deal for you, my view of you has been affected. I suspect that a lot of Griz fans and Hauck's friends would feel the same way. Thanks for posting. Looks like you're doing well. I see some articles by you from time to time, and I always recognize the name.

 

[PlayerRep]

Your IP/posting address was showing up as ESPN, I thought in Connecticut, last night.

Yep. That's creepy. :?

I think you are creepy sometimes. Putting on egriz what Haslam supposedly told you about how he was going to extend Stitt. Nice call on that one, Everett. At least, you didn't guarantee it, like some.

 

[bgbigdog]

Hope that clears some stuff up for you guys. I know it won’t for most. PlayerRep will likely ask me again whether or not I’ve played sports. That’s fine.

Bravo. :clap: :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

So it was Tyson Alger who wrote this whiney editorial about Hauck. Note the poster's view too. While has moved on with his career, his "legacy" for people like me will essentially what the below poster said in 2009.

"Kaimin's last dig at Hauck

Post by montanasports » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:59 pm

I couldn't believe what I read in the recent opinion written by Kaimin editor Tyson Alger. Certainly puts things in perspective why Hauck got fed up with this unprofessional baby. I find it disgraceful that a university sponsored newspaper is allowed to assault anyone, in this case Bobby Hauck. No wonder BH wanted to head to Vegas. This is not an "opinion" on Hauck leaving to take a promotion in his football career. It is a whiney last dig at BH.

Is this kid going to continue to be allowed to operate like this? Is the Kaimin going to be able to continue to operate like this? I can just imagine what a future coach would think about coming to UM with this kind of lack of support. I included a link to the UNLV page which has Fritz's article about BH. The comments by Rebels fans is very insightful They seem damn glad to have BH and IMO they are the lucky ones.

BH is a legendary Griz coach.

As for Alger's comment about BH being remembered with the number Zero....sorry bud but you already own that number.

Opinion: The legacy of Bobby Hauck
Story by Tyson Alger | December 26, 2009
Montana Kaimin

After seven seasons, seven straight Big Sky Conference titles, an 80-17 record, and three championship appearances with no hardware to show for it, Bobby Hauck’s search for greener pastures is finally over.

Hauck’s run as the head coach of the Montana Grizzlies ended Wednesday when he exchanged his maroon and silver for the red-and-gray striped tie he donned as he was introduced as the next head coach for the University of Nevada-Las Vegas.

It was eerie to see Hauck speak about hard work and dedication toward reshaping the Rebel program only a week removed from phrasing similar quotes about the opportunity to win a national title as a proud Grizzly.

But within hours of Montana’s devastating loss to Villanova — the second year in a row Hauck’s team has fallen in the title game — rumors started to swirl that Hauck would interview for the UNLV job. Five days later, Hauck’s dream of becoming a head coach at the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision level became a reality, leaving Montana without a coach and a city without a championship.

“I just can’t tell you how excited we are to be here,” Hauck said to the Las Vegas media Wednesday. “I’m appreciative of this opportunity. I’m humbled by the number of people here to hear these remarks, and I’m excited to be the head coach of UNLV. We’re going to make things happen here.”

Hauck’s press conference was short, sweet, and to the point. Similar to a press conference he had almost seven years to the day, when he was first announced as the coach of Montana.

“It’s great to be a Montana Grizzly,” Hauck said Dec. 20, 2002, when the Big Timber native returned to his alma mater to take the reins from Joe Glenn, who — like Hauck — left Missoula after his success at UM for a more luxurious job in the FBS. “I’m hoping this is a long and prosperous run for the University of Montana during my tenure.”

And it was.

Some said all Hauck had to do was keep from crashing the Cadillac he’d just received the keys to. The Joe Glenn era saw Montana go 39-6 in his three seasons, including one national title, another title game appearance, and a quarterfinal appearance. When Hauck took the keys from Glenn, he inherited a program that had history, recent success, and a limitless amount of community support.

During Hauck’s first couple of seasons, he gave a glimpse of what was to come.

His first season, he lead the Griz to an up-and-down 9-4 record, but went 5-2 in conference and secured a playoff appearance — which he would do in every season he was with the Grizzlies.

Then in 2004, Hauck went 12-3 and made his first national title game appearance, a 21-31 loss at the hands of James Madison.

Hauck and the Grizzlies continued to have success over the years, making title game appearances in 2008 and 2009.

Regular season success was never a problem for the Griz during Hauck’s tenure, but a national championship always eluded them. Meanwhile, off-the-field incidents and Hauck’s demeanor with the media started to become as notable as the wins.

The first bout of negative press Hauck received in Missoula came during the 2004 season, when he fired the team chaplain, Father Hogan, after Hogan refused to do team Mass. The Missoulian wrote about the firing and Hauck expressed his distaste for the story.

And that was the start of Hauck’s long and tedious relationship with the media.

Over the years, Hauck would oftentimes be abrasive to reporters who questioned him about players’ injuries or about incidents like those in 2007, when one player was arrested and charged with murder (he was later acquitted) and four players were arrested in connection to a home invasion.

Three of Hauck’s players appeared in the blotter in 2008, when they were charged with beating a student outside a dorm. This year, a story that ran in September about an alleged assault that took place in March resulted in a flap between Hauck and the Kaimin.

That’s not to say that these incidents have anything to do with Hauck, what he believes in, or the players he goes out to recruit. But the way in which he dealt with the media during these moments — generally hiding behind various forms of “No comment” — is part of his legacy.

I got to sit front row to a vast array of snide remarks from Hauck based on questions he didn’t want to answer.

From the start of the season — pre-Hauck-vs.-Kaimin — I had trouble getting a straight answer from the man. I had heard from past Kaimin reporters that dealing with Hauck was a challenge; that he didn’t care much for our student-run paper. But at the time, I, being a bright-eyed, glass-half-full type of fellow, approached my beat as a fresh opportunity and a chance to develop a relationship with the coach.

I met Hauck for the first time walking into the first Tuesday press conference of the season. I introduced myself, he put his hand on my shoulder, said it was nice to meet me.

It was lovely. It was fake. He was grinning.

I made my first mistake a week later when I asked about an injury to Marc Mariani in the game against Western State. Mariani had pulled up lame in the second quarter and didn’t touch the ball the rest of the game.

When I asked during the post-game press conference why Mariani was favoring his right leg and didn’t get any touches in the second half, Hauck tried his best to abuse my question.

“The quarterbacks threw it to other guys. Maybe it was sore,” Hauck responded to the amusement of the other members of the Missoula media, while wearing the same grin — to the tune of saying, “I know something but I’m not telling.”

The next day at practice, Mariani was wearing a red non-contact jersey, the telltale sign that a player is injured.

It went downhill from there, especially after I first asked questions about Trumaine Johnson and Andrew Swink. I approached Hauck three times about the situation — each time with different information for him to comment on — before his eventual outburst directed at me after I told him we knew about the fight and asked him to comment.

The next three months — the boycott, that national media attention, and his eventual return to Kaimin communication — were a blur to me. But two things held steady throughout all of it: the grin and the wins.

And those wins are what earned Hauck his ticket out of Missoula.

Hauck will have his work cut out for him in Vegas. He takes the head position of a program that hasn’t had a winning season since 2000, in a place where oftentimes football is an afterthought amidst the other activities the city has to offer. Hauck won’t have the benefit of coaching for his home state, his alma mater, and a program with expansive history and undying support.

In 2008, the Rebels, who compete in the Mountain West Conference of the FBS, averaged a meager 20,849 fans a game. That year, Montana averaged 23,923 a game in the less-touted Football Championship Subdivision.

Hauck will have to prove that he can take a program that went 16-43 under prior UNLV coach Mike Sanford and shape it into a contender.

Can he do it? That’s to be determined. We’ve never had the opportunity to see what Hauck can do under less-than-pristine circumstances.

But what UNLV gets in Hauck is a coach that has proven that he can win. No matter how you look at it, 80 wins over seven years is nothing short of remarkable. The Rebels will get a coach who works hard, cares about his job, and won’t stop until he finds success.

But for all of those victories, the conference titles, the wins over the Bobcats and the magical runs to three championship games, one number will stand out in the hearts of Griz fans who are still reeling from last week’s loss to Villanova.

Zero.

That’s the number of championships Hauck brought to Montana. And for all of the accolades and praise Hauck receives about his coaching — while deserved — the fact remains that he jumped ship on this program before he ever took it to its highest peak.

And that will be the legacy of Bobby Hauck."

 

[EverettGriz]

Your IP/posting address was showing up as ESPN, I thought in Connecticut, last night.

Yep. That's creepy. :?

I think you are creepy sometimes. Putting on egriz what Haslam supposedly told you about how he was going to extend Stitt. Nice call on that one, Everett. At least, you didn't guarantee it, like some.

Thanks. It really was a nice call, since that was absolutely going to happen until the booster ahhh...persuasion. Appreciate the compliment.

Oh, and out of curiosity, what's the current count of dossiers you have on eGriz posters?

 

[astutegriz]

Y3345. Appreciate your well constructed posts. First to get my attention was when, it appears, you believe Griz football grew and benefited from the growth period of the institution. Academic folk argue that. Others believe enrollment follows football success. Now. During the time of Hauck's Kiamin debacle the J school brought in a guest lecturer whose claim to fame was baiting NFL coaches at press conferences, leading to is availability that semester.....because he couldn't get a job. The Kiamin wanna-bes surprised Hauck using his style and Hauck reacted poorly to it. I'm happy to hear both are currently doing well. Long term, I believe it is better to have a mutually respectful relationship with the folks you're covering. Hauck has learned. I hope your buddies do.

The Pollner guest lecturer that year was Chris Jones, who was a staff writer for Esquire and ESPN The Magazine. When the Kaimin asked Hauck several times why the players were out of the lineup after that fight, and Hauck reacted the way he did — "you're done for the day and you'll be done for the year if you keep asking me about the same thing i've answered four f---ing times" -- Chris waited until the press conference was over and asked to speak privately with Hauck, saying hey, he was with ESPN, can we discuss this? These are students here. Hauck obliged, surprised someone from ESPN was there. They disagreed on how the question was handled, Hauck continued to be mad, and so Chris told the Kaimin they should do what journalists go, return to every press conference and continue asking questions. Hauck refused to answer them, even ones about football. These things happen in regular team/media interactions, but they don't drag on for months until the university president intervenes and says "enough."

Going back to every press conference to ask the same questions is exactly what I find to be incredibly rude and obnoxious. If that is what is talk at the J-School, then I have even less respect for the school. Like I said, these Kaimin "reporters" were little pricks. I'm glad Hauck wouldn't talk to them.

I'd like to see them try that with Greg Gianforte. Ha.

Obviously, the reporters at UNLV's school paper were more polite, and really more skillful in my view, and they got good access, good information, and good treatment from Hauck. Funny how that happens when people are nice, respectful and polite, instead of jerks.

Is Chris Jones that Kaimin visitor that eventually got run out of UM/Missoula? One of those visitors did.

So I think some of you know I’ve posted occasionally on here over the years. Always with my real name. I actually enjoy most of the discussions on these boards.

I like the Griz. I would like to see them win. That’s not fluff. Feel free to ask Brint.

There’s one thing I’d like to clear up. It’s the only thing I really want to get into on this matter.

Let’s talk about the “Four f***[*] times” thing.

I had been on the beat for about a month at the time this all started to go down. Every single story I wrote prior to that was positive. If I remember correctly, our preseason GameDay issues was a cover story I wrote about Chase Reynolds. Throughout my time at Montana, he was one of the players I respected the most and it’s been fun to follow his career post-Montana.

Before all that I had written the hell out of some women’s tennis stories.

During the first game, I noticed, like everyone else, that Johnson and Swink didn’t play. In the postgame press conference, I asked Hauck why they didn’t. He gave me a non-answer. I believe it was “They weren’t ready to compete” or something along those lines.

That’s time No. 1.

A few days later, after watching practice, I interviewed Hauck afterwards about a host of subjects. At the very end, because people were still asking us why they hadn’t played, I followed up. Was I acting like a spoiled, prick of a reporter when I asked him “Hey, I know you didn’t answer last week, but is it fair to say they didn’t play because of a violation of team rules?” He said he wouldn’t say that. If he would have said yes, I write the story then and it’s over with. That’s all we were looking for.

That was time No. 2.

Since Hauck was being vague about why they didn’t play, we started to look into it more. Once I learned there was a fight and interviewed three people about the matter, I went back to Hauck. I didn’t ask him during the press conference in front of everyone else, I didn’t yell out my questions for everyone else to hear. I pulled Hauck aside after the press conference and said, “This is what we know.” and told him what we knew. That’s when he swatted my tape recorder and said the “Four f***[*] times” thing. I don’t hold it against him for getting his numbers mixed up.

So, to sum up: Had a question, didn’t get an answer. Asked again a few days later. And finally once we had information, I tried to give Hauck and the players the ability to defend themselves, or comment contrary to what the witnesses had told me. That’s our job, to try and talk to all parties involved.

Obviously they didn’t want to participate. Feel free to track down anyone who was in the room during any of those exchanges and ask them about my attitude. Cocky? I was a nervous 19-year-old whose stomach was churning every single time I mustered up the guts to finally ask a question.

Hope that clears some stuff up for you guys. I know it won’t for most. PlayerRep will likely ask me again whether or not I’ve played sports. That’s fine.

Go Griz.

Thank you for having the courage to set the story straight. It had grown way out of proportion. I honestly thought he must have killed your dog and made you drink its blood.

 

[Tyson Alger]

No one said that didn't happen.

 

[astutegriz]

No one said that didn't happen.

: :shock:

 

[astutegriz]

Another thing coming out of this is that I appreciate how Bobby has his player’s back.

 

[CFallsGriz]

I didn't think it was all that "whiny." It was an opinion piece.

He gave him some kudos too, it will (hopefully) be fun to watch that legacy be erased and replaced with something far better.

So be it...

 

[PlayerRep]

I didn't think it was all that "whiny." It was an opinion piece.

He gave him some kudos too, it will (hopefully) be fun to watch that legacy be erased and replaced with something far better.

So be it...

He just couldn't let go. His feelings had been hurt. He was going to get back at Hauck one more time, even if it meant taking the time to write the piece during X-mas break when school was out and the Kaimin was closed. Hauck's legacy was "O". Yah right. Hauck's legacy at UM, so far, is excellence and winning, in achieving an incredible record of success at UM. Unparalleled success. Hopefully, more to come.

 

[Tyson Alger]

I didn't think it was all that "whiny." It was an opinion piece.

He gave him some kudos too, it will (hopefully) be fun to watch that legacy be erased and replaced with something far better.

So be it...

He just couldn't let go. His feelings had been hurt. He was going to get back at Hauck one more time, even if it meant taking the time to write the piece during X-mas break when school was out and the Kaimin was closed. Hauck's legacy was "O". Yah right. Hauck's legacy at UM, so far, is excellence and winning, in achieving an incredible record of success at UM. Unparalleled success. Hopefully, more to come.

Or, now hear me out because this gets complicated, I wrote it over Christmas break because he left on Christmas break. And, since it was 2009 and we were being taught about getting timely stories onto the internet quicker, we posted it then. Crazy, right?

 

[jtgriz2]

I didn't think it was all that "whiny." It was an opinion piece.

He gave him some kudos too, it will (hopefully) be fun to watch that legacy be erased and replaced with something far better.

So be it...

He just couldn't let go. His feelings had been hurt. He was going to get back at Hauck one more time, even if it meant taking the time to write the piece during X-mas break when school was out and the Kaimin was closed. Hauck's legacy was "O". Yah right. Hauck's legacy at UM, so far, is excellence and winning, in achieving an incredible record of success at UM. Unparalleled success. Hopefully, more to come.

Or, now hear me out because this gets complicated, I wrote it over Christmas break because he left on Christmas break. And, since it was 2009 and we were being taught about getting timely stories onto the internet quicker, we posted it then. Crazy, right?

Tyson, I appreciate all you’ve said not that I agree with all of it. Some Griz fans (including me) May view you as Cubs fan Steve Bartman. I’m asking you to please read what you just posted...and I would ask you to learn from it....

 

[PlayerRep]

I didn't think it was all that "whiny." It was an opinion piece.

He gave him some kudos too, it will (hopefully) be fun to watch that legacy be erased and replaced with something far better.

So be it...

He just couldn't let go. His feelings had been hurt. He was going to get back at Hauck one more time, even if it meant taking the time to write the piece during X-mas break when school was out and the Kaimin was closed. Hauck's legacy was "O". Yah right. Hauck's legacy at UM, so far, is excellence and winning, in achieving an incredible record of success at UM. Unparalleled success. Hopefully, more to come.

Or, now hear me out because this gets complicated, I wrote it over Christmas break because he left on Christmas break. And, since it was 2009 and we were being taught about getting timely stories onto the internet quicker, we posted it then. Crazy, right?

Yes, I understand the timing, but I question why you thought it was so important to diss Hauck then on his way to UNLV. My view was that you were so hurt, pissed, biased, whatever--perhaps ill advised--that you had to try to get at him, with essentially a cheap shot.

Hey, at least, I remembered your "work" and the editorial. Doubt that anyone on egriz did. I used to have a great memory, but still have a good one. I recall tangling a bit with your in the old days on egriz.

As I said, I hope you learned a lesson. Perhaps Bobby too. There was another Kaimin reporter around that time. Stubbs, I believe.

You guys probably didn't realize how famous you were with one Griz fan. Me. A critic, of you and the Kaimin.

 

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The irony is that many of the Griz Kaimin writers from the Hauck era are very successful young sports journalists with big time gigs.

Stubb's covers Maryland Athletics for the Washington Post: (@romanstubbs): https://twitter.com/romanstubbs?s=09

Tyson Alger covers the Oregon Ducks for the Oregonian: (@tysonalger): https://twitter.com/tysonalger?s=09

Bill Oram covers the Lakers for the Orange County Register: (@billoram): https://twitter.com/billoram?s=09

Danny Davis covers Texas Longhorn football for the Austin Statesman: (@aasdanny): https://twitter.com/aasdanny?s=09

I'm sure there are others I am missing, but that is a legitimate group of talent the Kaimin sent to the pros from that timeframe. It always amazes me how some of our football fanbase blows off success from any other sector of the university.

I bet the first person who would read Tyson's account above and say Coach Hauck could have handled it better is Bobby himself.

There isn't a news editor or a journalism school Dean in the country who would read that recap and say it was the reporter doing anything wrong. There are likely very few college ADs and SIDs who would think so either, they would focus on the behavior of the coach. Journalists aren't bad people because they ask fact based questions that sometimes shine light on shortcomings or mistakes of people we admire. It isn't their job to assure the people we like look good.

Criticize some of the recent Missoulian rehashing if you want to have valid criticism of articles that don't dig deep enough to provide proper context or less sensational updates on the outcomes of the listed incidents. But don't criticize the 19 year old Kaimin reporters for asking legitimate questions about star players who weren't playing. No journalist is just going to stop after the second time just because the person being asked is evasive, rather that scenario just begs the journalist to dig deeper.

I have a feeling Coach Hauck has more than once thought back to how he handled this situation and learned from it to be better the next time. If only some of our fans could as well.

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[Yossarian3345]

The irony is that many of the Griz Kaimin writers from the Hauck era are very successful young sports journalists with big time gigs.

Stubb's covers Maryland Athletics for the Washington Post: (@romanstubbs): https://twitter.com/romanstubbs?s=09

Tyson Alger covers the Oregon Ducks for the Oregonian: (@tysonalger): https://twitter.com/tysonalger?s=09

Bill Oram covers the Lakers for the Orange County Register: (@billoram): https://twitter.com/billoram?s=09

Danny Davis covers Texas Longhorn football for the Austin Statesman: (@aasdanny): https://twitter.com/aasdanny?s=09

I'm sure there are others I am missing, but that is a legitimate group of talent the Kaimin sent to the pros from that timeframe. It always amazes me how some of our football fanbase blows off success from any other sector if the university.

I bet the first person who would read Tyson's account above and say Coach Hauck could have handled it better is Bobby himself.

There isn't a news editor or a journalism school Dean in the country who would read that recap and say it was the reporter doing anything wrong. There are likely very few college ADs and SIDs who would think so either, they would focus on the behavior of the coach. Journalists aren't bad people because they ask fact based questions that sometimes shine light on shortcomings or mistakes of people we admire. It isn't their job to assure the people we like look good.

Criticize some of the recent Missoulian rehashing if you want to have valid criticism of articles that don't dig deep enough to provide proper context or less sensational updates on the outcomes if the listed incidents. But don't criticize the 19 year old Kaimin reporters for asking legitimate questions about star players who weren't playing. No journalist is just going to stop after the second time just because the person being asked is evasive, rather that scenario just begs the journalist to dig deeper.

I have a feeling Coach Hauck has more than once thought back to how he handled this situation and learned from it to be better the next time. If only some of our fans could as well.

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Excellent post.

 

[PlayerRep]

Yoss, be sure to read or listen to what Bobby said early in his talk, about dealing with the Kaimin reporters. And, you will see that he asked for his first question from the Kaimin. As I figured, he's grown and said he/they would have handled the Kaimin thing better or different. Can't recall his wording. You should contact him in the winter, when he has his staff and recruits.