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Bob Meseroll is an idiot

griz4life said:
While I agree with you, Royce Engstrom is still telling a story very much in line with what Meseroll wrote: Athletics in general and football in particular had run amok. I heard him say so just last week.
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Recall that Engstrom had just had a series of major violent sexual assaults, on campus, committed by a Saudi student, at least two, and "Main Hall" in essence didn't want to do anything about it, finally gave the offender every opportunity to "get out of town," then, having provided the victims with no closure whatsoever, issued a statement that it was "all for the best."

UM has had a history of problems with the "Saudi" students, but in contrast to the programs that Pflu had set up for the football team, UM has never had the integrity to "insult" foreign students with lots of money by requiring them to culturally acclimate themselves to this culture, i.e., "uncovered women are not 'pieces of meat'." And then, not only unwilling to protect UM women, it practically assisted the perpetrator to escape, sending a distinct "message."

Recall his next step: his much heralded "outside study." This was the PC "I'm a leader!" approach -- which was to give it -- "the problem" -- as much publicity as possible. So he hired somebody who never in her life done anything like this and the first thing she DIDN'T do was to compare the available campus statistics to any other campus or community.

She didn't even think of it, although it is usually the first thing that experienced folks do for a project like this: identify the problem, i.e. do we HAVE a problem?

The next thing she DIDN'T do was find anything.

Recall that? She basically thought the staff reacted appropriately to allegations as they came up, and her only real complaint was that she thought maybe students weren't telling her all that she wanted to hear. She didn't seem to find anything wrong with the way the coaches or AD had handled various matters. Notably, she did not point any fingers at them whatsoever.

She didn't seem aware that the Saudi incident had happened.

To that point, Engstrom's PR machine had failed just about completely. He was looking like an idiot. Failsafe mode? Fire somebody.

In contrast to MSU's problems unrolling quietly at the time, with a tenured professor using University facilities, paid trips, and his power as a professor to elicit sex from students, including having made improper advances to a high school student, as well as a rate of campus sexual assaults nearly double UM's, and an internal investigation which DID confirm the University's worst nightmares, Engstrom managed to attract state-wide attention to UM simply by his own mishandling of virtually everything he touched.

Engstrom is the kind of guy to always shift the blame. Of course the athletic department had "run amok." That's his story and it's all he's got to deflect from his own shameful mishandling of the entire episode.
 
getgrizzy said:
there's more to college football than football. messerol is spot on. we need more mick and less slick (pflu and bobby). our fans need to be de-programmed. the year wasn't half over and we were right back to the win at all costs mentality.

since mick took over the problems have diminished greatly. that was a great accomplishment, but its sadly being overlooked by most of our fans. keep up the great work mick.
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Put the crack pipe down and step away!
 
You guys do realize that extending MD had little to do with football and more to do with the window dressing? The 10 win season just made it easier for the admin to pull the trigger. MD is in his position more to quell the non-fan, the critic of athletics.
 
Eriul said:
kemajic said:
The BSC is a one team conference again and it is no longer us.
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God you contribute nothing but shit to threads.
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I don't see a damn thing wrong with what Kemajic said. The Griz are sitting at home getting ready to watch NDSU do to CUU what they shoulda done and EWU is prepping for another home playoff game. Nothing wrong with being a realist.
 
grizindabox said:
You guys do realize that extending MD had little to do with football and more to do with the window dressing? The 10 win season just made it easier for the admin to pull the trigger. MD is in his position more to quell the non-fan, the critic of athletics.
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Although I don't always agree with everything you post, this does make sense, to me anyways. So I wonder if we will be seeing a national search going on in a year from now?
 
grizindabox said:
You guys do realize that extending MD had little to do with football and more to do with the window dressing? The 10 win season just made it easier for the admin to pull the trigger. MD is in his position more to quell the non-fan, the critic of athletics.
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You got it. It really has NOTHING to do with football.
 
getgrizzy said:
there's a lot more to it than what made it big in the newspapers or that went to the courts. engstrom was privy to it and made decisions and comments based on it. the regents also know about these things. some of the stuff did reach the media, but was brushed aside because no formal complaints were made.

bottom line is we're very fortunate to have mick at the helm. he's keeping a fatherly, watchful eye on the team and the players are responding well to it. three cheers for mick, i say!
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And you know about "these things" because........ :roll:
 
"These things" are mere rumors, and you don't ruin people's careers based on rumors. It's not cool.

It's one thing for somebody to accuse a player of a crime, and to subject that accusation to the criminal justice system. But it's a far different thing for a University to take formal actions based on rumors and innuendo.

If you reverse the roles, it leads to Salem witch trial-type outcomes.
 
'68griz said:
getgrizzy said:
there's a lot more to it than what made it big in the newspapers or that went to the courts. engstrom was privy to it and made decisions and comments based on it. the regents also know about these things. some of the stuff did reach the media, but was brushed aside because no formal complaints were made.

bottom line is we're very fortunate to have mick at the helm. he's keeping a fatherly, watchful eye on the team and the players are responding well to it. three cheers for mick, i say!
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Oh, please! A sweet ol' grandpa that everyone loves is virtually never going to have a successful football team. End of story.
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Oh, please, is right. There is no one on this board who can say with any certainty that had Pflu been retained what the outcome for the team would have been. While I would agree that I do not like how the adminstration handled any of this mess, I also can not say that I know everything behind the firings. As far as Mick goes, I have met him on three occassions. I have found him to be very friendly and forthright. I believe that he is an old school coach. As far as grandfatherly, somewhat similiar to Don Reed was at the end of his career. I think we can all agree that no coach anywhere can babysit his players 24/7. The coach can only foster an atmosphere that will let players know there is accountability for their actions. Fair or not, the coach ultimately pays for any negative perceptions of the program.
 
Glendivegriz said:
'68griz said:
getgrizzy said:
there's a lot more to it than what made it big in the newspapers or that went to the courts. engstrom was privy to it and made decisions and comments based on it. the regents also know about these things. some of the stuff did reach the media, but was brushed aside because no formal complaints were made.

bottom line is we're very fortunate to have mick at the helm. he's keeping a fatherly, watchful eye on the team and the players are responding well to it. three cheers for mick, i say!
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Oh, please! A sweet ol' grandpa that everyone loves is virtually never going to have a successful football team. End of story.
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Oh, please, is right. There is no one on this board who can say with any certainty that had Pflu been retained what the outcome for the team would have been. While I would agree that I do not like how the adminstration handled any of this mess, I also can not say that I know everything behind the firings. As far as Mick goes, I have met him on three occassions. I have found him to be very friendly and forthright. I believe that he is an old school coach. As far as grandfatherly, somewhat similiar to Don Reed was at the end of his career. I think we can all agree that no coach anywhere can babysit his players 24/7. The coach can only foster an atmosphere that will let players know there is accountability for their actions. Fair or not, the coach ultimately pays for any negative perceptions of the program.
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There is also no one on this board who can say with certainty that the sun will come up tomorrow...but I like the odds.
 
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