"Blame Stitt"

[UMGriz75]

75, I am not posting to pound my chest because I know some of the happenings in more detail than many, but you continually post half truths and misinformation about events. I will continue to call you out when you do so.

Unless its of public concern -- staff behaviors, malfeasance, murders in cornfields -- it's none of your business, that's exactly the point you don't get, can't get, and will never get. You're not in a 17 year old's head. I still deal with these kids every day. You don't.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

75, I am not posting to pound my chest because I know some of the happenings in more detail than many, but you continually post half truths and misinformation about events. I will continue to call you out when you do so.

Unless its of public concern -- staff behaviors, malfeasance, murders in cornfields -- it's none of your business, that's exactly the point you don't get, can't get, and will never get. You're not in a 17 year old's head. I still deal with these kids every day. You don't.

So this makes it OK for you to make allegations about coaches and situations within the team based on misinformation and half-truths? None of it it your business either, yet you continue to ramble on and on about how poorly UM is doing and placing blame on people based on a lack of knowing what is really going on in this situations. You sir are the pot calling the kettle black but are to arrogant to even recognize it.

 

[George Ferguson]

I also don't think the coaches of any collegiate sport owe someone who blatantly refused to keep up their end of the bargain in school anything. After all it's called COLLEGE football. I know for a fact UM informs every recruit of the academic eligibility requirements in clear and certain terms well before any of them arrive on campus for fall classes. No way in hell a coach should be thanking kids who blatantly flunk out for anything.

 

[UMGriz75]

What sports are these? Fifty years is impressive. All at the collegiate level or various levels?

If I said, you would know instantly or find out quickly who I was. Not with this bunch.

Started at the collegiate level as a competitor, then coach, referee, administrator, then to national level as coach, referee, administrator, and director of an Olympic Sport board of directors for 15 years, then to international (Olympic) level as team leader, referee and sometime committee member or participant for coaching sciences and rules. I was an official US Delegate to the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games. During that time, I chaired one of the first national sport concussion committees to assess the risk and make recommendations for athlete protections and rules changes as the result of a concussion-related death at a Florida event in 1984 involving collegiate competition.

Legal Counsel to a national collegiate sport organization dealing regularly with every conceivable issue, athletes, coaches, NCAA, safe-sport, including every conceivable weird issue. I am sitting this week chairing an NGB Ethics Panel for a different national sport organization on a complaint that an opposing coach touched a competitor in a tournament in Colorado repeatedly and in such a way as to intimidate the competitor. Reviewing the tape, and what appears to be incidental contact, it may be a "buttercup syndrome" at work, but we will see during the hearing. We may call Donald Trump as a witness.

Last year I authored a Governance Task force reorganization analysis upon an appointment by the USOC to reorganize a failing National Sport Governing Body. That was my second such appointment by the USOC to similar functions. These included detailed examinations of coach selection processes as those are notoriously the most difficult problem within any sport organization and often underlie the governance problems that require reorganization.

I still teach daily and train athletes from various sport disciplines on campus. I showed up Monday and wondered where everyone was (Spring Break!). Trying to retire as it is overdue. Everything is starting to hurt. I used to author a number of professional sport papers, including Title IX papers and the impact on collegiate sports structures and participation, but that production has trailed off in recent years to other time demands. I still peer review for two professional journals that publish sport related papers.

 

[reinell30]

I think all the players left because of everything said on EGriz.....

 

[UMGriz75]

I also don't think the coaches of any collegiate sport owe someone who blatantly refused to keep up their end of the bargain in school anything. I know for a fact UM informs every recruit of the academic eligibility requirements in clear and certain terms well before any of them arrive on campus for fall classes. No way in hell a coach should be thanking kids who blatantly flunk out for anything.

Now, we are getting to the part where you need to blame a specific player for a specific failing without hearing his side of the story, and you want to make it a public spectacle. And "blatantly!!" Are you seriously blaming Hendo for his "blatant disregard" of academic eligibility requirements? Seriously? You POS. That is probably one of the lowest and most disgusting attacks yet on a player on these threads, despite the competition.

Why? When did you get the right to judge any of them?

Is it that hard for you to simply offer "he's not with the team anymore, best wishes?"

Why not just brand the kid with the "Mark of Cain" to satisfy your petty, vindictive needs.

You're neither the coach nor the player. Perhaps you need to be reminded of that.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I also don't think the coaches of any collegiate sport owe someone who blatantly refused to keep up their end of the bargain in school anything. I know for a fact UM informs every recruit of the academic eligibility requirements in clear and certain terms well before any of them arrive on campus for fall classes. No way in hell a coach should be thanking kids who blatantly flunk out for anything.

Now, we are getting to the part where you need to blame a specific player for a specific failing without hearing his side of the story, and you want to make it a public spectacle. And "blatantly!!" Are you seriously blaming Hendo for his "blatant disregard" of academic eligibility requirements? Seriously? You POS. That is probably one of the lowest and most disgusting attacks yet on a player on these threads, despite the competition.

Why? When did you get the right to judge any of them?

Is it that hard for you to simply offer "he's not with the team anymore, best wishes?"

Why not just brand the kid with the "Mark of Cain" to satisfy your petty, vindictive needs.

You're neither the coach nor the player. Perhaps you need to be reminded of that.

When did you get the right to judge hav? When did you get the right to judge the coaches? When did you get the right to judge anything? You realize that everything you blame others for, you are guilty of as well.

 

[UMGriz75]

So this makes it OK for you to make allegations about coaches and situations within the team based on misinformation and half-truths? None of it it your business either, yet you continue to ramble on and on about how poorly UM is doing and placing blame on people based on a lack of knowing what is really going on in this situations. You sir are the pot calling the kettle black but are to arrogant to even recognize it.

Nice try, but you don't peddle backwards well.

My point is, the coaches don't need to publicly demean the players or allow rumors to fly. That requires me knowing nothing except how a class act looks and acts between $300,000 a year coaches and 17 year old kids.

And UM isn't it, and its fanbase such as jerks like you bear a good share of that responsibility.

And when they leave, you can wish them well instead of doing what you do: "I KNOW! i KNOW!" and leaving slimy trails of innuendo that the 17 year has to live with, not you.

 

[UMGriz75]

When did you get the right to judge hav? When did you get the right to judge the coaches? When did you get the right to judge anything? You realize that everything you blame others for, you are guilty of as well.

You're auditioning to be Pee Wee Herman, aren't you?

I don't have to "judge' "Hav," I KNOW he's neither the coach nor the player. And, I'm not judging him, I'M QUOTING HIM. Do you think Hendo deserved that outrageous personal attack? WTF is the matter with you?

Other the hand, it's pretty clear how UM/egriz treats players leaving the team. Is it that hard to say "best wishes and good luck in the future" and are you going to fight any such measure of professionalism and class until your dying day? Are you that petty? Question answered.

 

[zengriz]

...remember about the blame...
...when you get the blame...
...you also get any credit...

... ...

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

So this makes it OK for you to make allegations about coaches and situations within the team based on misinformation and half-truths? None of it it your business either, yet you continue to ramble on and on about how poorly UM is doing and placing blame on people based on a lack of knowing what is really going on in this situations. You sir are the pot calling the kettle black but are to arrogant to even recognize it.

Nice try, but you don't peddle backwards well.

My point is, the coaches don't need to publicly demean the players or allow rumors to fly. That requires me knowing nothing except how a class act looks and acts between $300,000 a year coaches and 17 year old kids.

And UM isn't it, and its fanbase such as jerks like you bear a good share of that responsibility.

And when they leave, you can wish them well instead of doing what you do: "I KNOW! i KNOW!"

Since when were the coaches doing either of those?

 

[get'em_griz]

So this makes it OK for you to make allegations about coaches and situations within the team based on misinformation and half-truths? None of it it your business either, yet you continue to ramble on and on about how poorly UM is doing and placing blame on people based on a lack of knowing what is really going on in this situations. You sir are the pot calling the kettle black but are to arrogant to even recognize it.

Nice try, but you don't peddle backwards well.

My point is, the coaches don't need to publicly demean the players or allow rumors to fly. That requires me knowing nothing except how a class act looks and acts between $300,000 a year coaches and 17 year old kids.

And UM isn't it, and its fanbase such as jerks like you bear a good share of that responsibility.

And when they leave, you can wish them well instead of doing what you do: "I KNOW! i KNOW!"

Since when were the coaches doing either of those?

Did 75 have a kid that got the boot from the program? It would explain a lot.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

When did you get the right to judge hav? When did you get the right to judge the coaches? When did you get the right to judge anything? You realize that everything you blame others for, you are guilty of as well.

You're auditioning to be Pee Wee Herman, aren't you?

I don't have to "judge' "Hav," I KNOW he's neither the coach nor the player. And, I'm not judging him, I'M QUOTING HIM. Do you think Hendo deserved that outrageous personal attack?

Other the hand, it's pretty clear how UM/egriz treats players leaving the team. Is it that hard to say "best wishes and good luck in the future" and are you going to fight any such measure of professionalism and class until your dying day? Are you that petty?

Show me where hav attacked Hendo? And you are judging him. I also not once said anything that was an attack of a player, but I have called you out for making judgments and accusations without knowing the facts. If calling you out is petty...

 

[UMGriz75]

Since when were the coaches doing either of those?

God, you POS, you claim all this knowledge?

OK, when did Stitt publicly wish Pflug best wishes and good luck? Maybe I missed it. Couldn't say a word of public thanks about Legi, but he did retweet Legi's thanks to Stitt. It was a nice conceit. "He look everybody, I'm being thanked for being the great guy that I am!" Which of the players leaving has he bothered to comment on at all, rumors notwithstanding? He did comment when the Missoulian finally called him, but then did you miss the QB Club comments? Which were just about the opposite of his Missoulian comments? Those were pretty public. Why the "two sides of Bob Stitt" on something as complicated as a Kid that didn't achieve what he undoubtedly wanted to and for various reasons, didn't. You keep claiming to "know" and then get ignorant real fast.

Is this really that hard for you, and deserving of all of these comments? Is your personality so warped it is impossible to agree that it is a good, professional face to show to the public, players, recruits, fans and donors enough class to just make the simple gesture to thank 17 and 18 kids trying to get a start in life and wish them well? That it is important to the University of Montana to be classy instead of appearing secretive, permit rumors to flourish, and then badmouth the kid behind his back?

What in the hell is the matter with you?

 

[UMGriz75]

Show me where hav attacked Hendo?

havgrizfan » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:33 pm
Ellis Henderson - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (grades)

havgrizfan » Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:56 pm
I also don't think the coaches of any collegiate sport owe someone who blatantly refused to keep up their end of the bargain in school anything. After all it's called COLLEGE football. I know for a fact UM informs every recruit of the academic eligibility requirements in clear and certain terms well before any of them arrive on campus for fall classes. No way in hell a coach should be thanking kids who blatantly flunk out for anything.

Does it need to be spelled out further? Who do you think he was referring to?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Since when were the coaches doing either of those?

God, you POS, you claim all this knowledge?

OK, when did Stitt publicly wish Pflug best wishes and good luck? Maybe I missed it. Couldn't say a word of public thanks about Legi, but he did retweet Legi's thanks to Stitt. It was a nice conceit. "He look everybody, I'm being thanked for being the great guy that I am!" Which of the players leaving has he bothered to comment on at all, rumors notwithstanding? He did comment when the Missoulian finally called him, but then did you miss the QB Club comments? Which were just about the opposite of his Missoulian comments? Those were pretty public. Why the "two sides of Bob Stitt" on something as complicated as a Kid that didn't achieve what he undoubtedly wanted to and for various reasons, didn't. You keep claiming to "know" and then get ignorant real fast.

Is this really that hard for you, and deserving of all of these comments? Is your personality so warped it is impossible to agree that it is a good, professional face to show to the public, players, recruits, fans and donors enough class to just make the simple gesture to thank 17 and 18 kids trying to get a start in life and wish them well? That it is important to the University of Montana to be classy instead of appearing secretive, permit rumors to flourish, and then badmouth the kid behind his back?

What in the hell is the matter with you?

75 is like a woman scorned, I am not sure why he feels this way in regards to Stitt, but he certainly does.

 

[UMGriz75]

... but I have called you out for making judgments and accusations without knowing the facts. If calling you out is petty...

Big Man! "Called me out", eh?

And you've generally been wrong, but you know ....

 

[UMGriz75]

75 is like a woman scorned......I am not sure why he feels this way in regards to Stitt.....but he certainly does...

And you act like a woman "kept." "Don' attack my man!"

The guy needs to act like a coach of a respected football program. Leave the players alone. If they leave, give them best wishes. Let the public know that most times, its just a matter of things didn't work out, and give the kid a bit of a boost as he goes out the door. It's the professional way of doing these things, instead of letting rumors swirl and crapping on them at QB club.

Why do you object so strenuously to that?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

... but I have called you out for making judgments and accusations without knowing the facts. If calling you out is petty...

Big Man! "Called me out", eh?

And you've generally been wrong, but you know ....

Like you are wrong for blaming Stitt in the Daum situation? And that is only one example. But whatever you need to believe to make you anti-Stitt narrative roll.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

75, you are not going to change your position, but there is no reason Stitt needed to say anything about any of the players leaving without being asked.