"Blame Stitt"

[horribilisfan8184]

Ordigger....no one has ever stated that Stitt did not play a roll in some kids no longer being with the program....but only bitter people BLAME Stitt........queue 75 and his demented thinking.......

Babies will cry. Cry on.

Pretty rich, coming from a guy who thinks Stitt should hold a press conference or send out a press release every time a player misses home or gets a hang nail.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

In any event we now have a ton of new recruits and some will become great and some will do OK. And again, some of them will not pan out and they will leave for all the reasons listed above. Life goes on and the entire situation seems normal for almost every football program around the country.

Absolutely, totally true -- moving around is now WAY more common than, I would guess, just five years ago. And it's not just the "graduate degree" exception. It seems like kids (actually young men, and, to a lesser extent I think, women) are either more willing to sit out or the NCAA has allowed more ways to play right away. In either case, it's all about the possibilities for playing time.

The proof is in the results -- although I have not seen a systematic study. You only had to watch a lot of BBall during the conference tournaments, "March Madness," and the other post-season tournaments ...like we did. It was amazing how often the announcers would mention that this or that player had been at [some big-time program] for awhile before coming to whatever team they were on. And their current teams were sometimes other [big-time programs], not just mid-majors, etc. Is it that common in football? Probably not, or we'd hear about even more drop-downs to FCS ... but it's still not that unusual now.

Players know that scouts will find them, if they're any good, even if they're playing at the FCS level. But scouts will not find them if they're sitting on the bench, no matter how big-time the program is. Simple as that.

Couple of observations from your post Ida. In the original article I shared from Be Recruited, it actually said women are six times more likely to quit then men. Your point, I'm assuming is to changing teams though and that I bet your right on.

I do think the drop downs does happen quite a bit though to the FCS level. Jax St for instances gas 6 former SEC players alone not to mention what others they had. I know McNeese and Sam Houston get a lot also. Deffenetly more on the East coast and South then in the West.

 

[reinell30]

Love Stitt or hate Stitt, at the end of the day makes no difference which you choose. Coach Bob Stitt was hired to run this football team and make it successful. He will do it Stitt's way and that is all that matters! I believe we as Griz nation owe it to him to observe his first three years before we praise or chastise....even after the three years it makes no difference as to if you hate or love the man...
I support him 100%!

 

[grizindabox]

Ordigger....no one has ever stated that Stitt did not play a roll in some kids no longer being with the program....but only bitter people BLAME Stitt........queue 75 and his demented thinking.......

Babies will cry. Cry on.

solid post.....I applaud you for adding something of substance to the thread and not hijacking it.... :roll:

 

[garizzalies]

Wait a minute. On average, 33% of recruits wash out? Last week, PisSince03 said the MSU rate is actually 50%. So that pretty much proves what we all think--MSU sucks even more than the average team

 

[get'em_griz]

Blame Stitt? No...

 

[UMGriz75]

This thread is funny in the sense that it elevates hyperbole to a new level of stupidity.

But, let's test it a bit.

Here's a list of each and a reason for their departure plus some of their landing spots.
....
WR Chase Naccarato-D3 hometown school

Welll, just making up a controversy is what some people do, but what Chase Naccarato actually said was this:

chase_naccarato: Finishing out at whitworth.. New coaches at UM didn't treat people well. So I left

But, what the heck. When you need to lie to prove a point, it must be a pretty darn good point, right?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This thread is funny in the sense that it elevates hyperbole to a new level of stupidity.

But, let's test it a bit.

Here's a list of each and a reason for their departure plus some of their landing spots.
....
WR Chase Naccarato-D3 hometown school

Welll, just making up a controversy is what some people do, but what Chase Naccarato actually said was this:

chase_naccarato: Finishing out at whitworth.. New coaches at UM didn't treat people well. So I left

But, what the heck. When you need to lie to prove a point, it must be a pretty darn good point, right?

Here is the translation: "New coaches told me I would be way down the depth chart and probably not see much field time my Senior year, that is not very nice"

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Wait a minute. On average, 33% of recruits wash out? Last week, PisSince03 said the MSU rate is actually 50%. So that pretty much proves what we all think--MSU sucks even more than the average team

Keep in mind the 33% is elevated to that level by the MSU 50%

 

[UMGriz75]

Here is the translation: "New coaches told me I would be way down the depth chart and probably not see much field time my Senior year, that is not very nice"

Always, "blame the player." Always.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Here is the translation: "New coaches told me I would be way down the depth chart and probably not see much field time my Senior year, that is not very nice"

Always, "blame the player." Always.

1. I never blamed the player for anything other than venting his frustration.
2. You always blame the coach.
3. Do you really know anything about the situation other than your quote?
4. I do know more about the situation than the quote.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

This thread is funny in the sense that it elevates hyperbole to a new level of stupidity.

But, let's test it a bit.

Here's a list of each and a reason for their departure plus some of their landing spots.
....
WR Chase Naccarato-D3 hometown school

Welll, just making up a controversy is what some people do, but what Chase Naccarato actually said was this:

chase_naccarato: Finishing out at whitworth.. New coaches at UM didn't treat people well. So I left

But, what the heck. When you need to lie to prove a point, it must be a pretty darn good point, right?

Sorry about the misunderstanding there but I can see how you used it to try and prove your point. I did say that there was a reason for their departure plus some of their landing spots. With a little reading comprehension, you can see that Naccarato only has a landing spot. Therefore it should have been easy to conclude that I didn't give a reason for his departure. It was my bad for including the "and" and I can see how that confused you. I also didn't search his Twitter quote so, that was bad reporting on my part. Hopefully I'll do better next time.

 

[UMGriz75]

2. You always blame the coach.

A nice stand-alone lie all by itself.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

2. You always blame the coach.

A nice stand-alone lie all by itself.

No different than what you posted I guess. But everyone here knows you are a Stitt basher, so I am not sure it is entirely untruthful.

 

[UMGriz75]

But everyone here knows you are a Stitt basher, so I am not sure it is entirely untruthful.

My position has always been, don't blame the player, whatever their reasons, it is generally nobody's business unless it is an organizational reason (abuse, harrassment, injury etc). My point has always been that when players do leave, responsible coaches will not leave rumors and innuendo swirling about. They will do the minimum of saying "So-and-so has chosen to leave the program. We appreciate his contributions and loyalty to the Montana Grizzlies and offer best wishes for his future success."

It's just that tough.

The Cats were able to do precisely that with Hoy, and that obviously did not require high-powered genius and extreme sensitivity. It only required the ordinary common sense and decency that seems to be lacking at UM for some reason. It is simply a professional gesture befitting a classy program and a last kind gesture to kids who wanted to do nothing more than play for the UM Grizzlies and, no matter the circumstances of their departure, must consider it a tremendous disappointment. These are for the most part still kids. The Coach doesn't get into sniping at his own players and former players, not a fully fledged adult coach anyway.

Currently, UM has a hard time just doing ordinary civility. There is a notable tendency to do the opposite, both on staff and due to jerks like you who like to make player's private lives your personal business, break down their doors so you can claim "i KNOW!!! I KNOW!!" like a bunch of damn gossipy schoolgirls along with a coach, and a "fan" community that wants to make sure the whole world knows that so-and-so played "terrible" and "it sure isn't my fault," and that so-and-so was "lazy," or "his hands were too small and we suspect his high school used smaller footballs to account for his record" as UM's nice send-off to a 17 year old kid in life's transition, you know, just to make sure future coaches and opportunities, friends and family are "aware" of the "problems."

That the kid they worshipped in the highest praises when recruited -- grown men in full swoon -- quickly becomes "it's a good thing we got rid of him," adding all sorts of innuendo and burden on the way out the door. And then any forum thread about the kid leaving quickly becomes a shark-fest. Welcome to the real world at UM, kids.

That above all, "it's NOT MY FAULT!!" Because "We don't lose in our house!" and "My offense is better than any defense" and so if anything goes wrong, "IT'S THE PLAYERS' FAULT!"

It is irrespective of his field performance, just a personal accumulation of sport experiences on my part -- fifty years worth now -- that makes me adverse to big talk, chest-thumping, and bus-under throwing. I don't like it, and if you do like it, that's your problem, not mine.

As I have repeatedly stated, I welcomed Stitt's appointment, I think he's smart, and I look forward to the field of play strategies. That doesn't mean that I have to call you up and borrow your prom dress, pom poms and IUD every time I happen to think there's a cause for caution and concern on the manner of doing some things.

But, you're a cheerleader, and cheerleaders appoint themselves to do a job, and one job only.

Fortunately for you, it is a mindless task.

Words of advice: "Keep it classy, Coach."

 

[grizindabox]

But everyone here knows you are a Stitt basher, so I am not sure it is entirely untruthful.

My position has always been, don't blame the player, whatever their reasons, it is generally nobody's business unless it is an organizational reason (abuse, harrassment, injury etc). My point has always been that when players do leave, responsible coaches will not leave rumors and innuendo swirling about. They will do the minimum of saying "So-and-so has chosen to leave the program. We appreciate his contributions and loyalty to the Montana Grizzlies and offer best wishes for his future success."

It's just that tough.

The Cats were able to do precisely that with Hoy, and that obviously did not require high-powered genius and extreme sensitivity. It only required the ordinary common sense and decency that seems to be lacking at UM for some reason. These are for the most part still kids. The Coach doesn't get into sniping at his own players and former players, not a fully fledged adult coach anyway.

Currently, UM has a hard time just doing ordinary civility. There is a notable tendency to do the opposite, both on staff and due to jerks like you who like to make player's private lives your personal business, break down their doors so you can claim "i KNOW!!! I KNOW!!" like a bunch of damn gossipy schoolgirls a;lonmg with a coach, and a "fan" community that wants to make sure the whole world knows that so-and-so played "terrible" and "it sure isn't my fault," and that so-and-so was "lazy," or "his hands were too small and we suspect his high school used smaller footballs to account for his record" as UM's nice send-off to a 17 year old kid in life's transition, you know, just to make sure future coaches and opportunities, friends and family are "aware" of the "problems."

That the kid they worshipped in the highest praises when recruited, quickly becomes "it's a good thing we got rid of him," adding all sorts of innuendo and burden on the way out the door. And then any forum thread about the kid leaving quickly becomes a shark-fest. Welcome to the real world at UM, kids.

That above all, "it's NOT MY FAULT!!" Because "We don't lose in our house!" and "My offense is better than any defense" and so if anything goes wrong, "IT'S THE PLAYERS' FAULT!"

It is irrespective of his field performance, just a personal accumulation of sport experiences -- fifty years worth now -- that makes me adverse to big talk, chest-thumping, and bus-under throwing. I don't like it, and if you do like it, that's your problem, not mine.

As I have repeatedly stated, I welcomed Stitt's appointment, I think he's smart, and I look forward to the field of play strategies. That doesn't mean that I have to call you up and borrow your prom dress, pom poms and IUD every time I happen to think there's a cause for caution and concern on the manner of doing some things.

But, you're a cheerleader, and cheerleaders appoint themselves to do a job, and one job only.

Fortunately for you, it is a mindless task.

I should know better than to respond to 75....but to you, not blaming the player is always blaming the coaches.....but sometimes it is the action of a player that leads to the issues at hand....you can not just disregard that possibility....because it does play into some of the things that have occurred.....

 

[Mavman]

But everyone here knows you are a Stitt basher, so I am not sure it is entirely untruthful.

My position has always been, don't blame the player, whatever their reasons, it is generally nobody's business unless it is an organizational reason (abuse, harrassment, injury etc). My point has always been that when players do leave, responsible coaches will not leave rumors and innuendo swirling about. They will do the minimum of saying "So-and-so has chosen to leave the program. We appreciate his contributions and loyalty to the Montana Grizzlies and offer best wishes for his future success."

It's just that tough.

The Cats were able to do precisely that with Hoy, and that obviously did not require high-powered genius and extreme sensitivity. It only required the ordinary common sense and decency that seems to be lacking at UM for some reason. It is simply a professional gesture befitting a classy program and a last kind gesture to kids who wanted to do nothing more than play for the UM Grizzlies and, no matter the circumstances of their departure, must consider it a tremendous disappointment. These are for the most part still kids. The Coach doesn't get into sniping at his own players and former players, not a fully fledged adult coach anyway.

Currently, UM has a hard time just doing ordinary civility. There is a notable tendency to do the opposite, both on staff and due to jerks like you who like to make player's private lives your personal business, break down their doors so you can claim "i KNOW!!! I KNOW!!" like a bunch of damn gossipy schoolgirls along with a coach, and a "fan" community that wants to make sure the whole world knows that so-and-so played "terrible" and "it sure isn't my fault," and that so-and-so was "lazy," or "his hands were too small and we suspect his high school used smaller footballs to account for his record" as UM's nice send-off to a 17 year old kid in life's transition, you know, just to make sure future coaches and opportunities, friends and family are "aware" of the "problems."

That the kid they worshipped in the highest praises when recruited -- grown men in full swoon -- quickly becomes "it's a good thing we got rid of him," adding all sorts of innuendo and burden on the way out the door. And then any forum thread about the kid leaving quickly becomes a shark-fest. Welcome to the real world at UM, kids.

That above all, "it's NOT MY FAULT!!" Because "We don't lose in our house!" and "My offense is better than any defense" and so if anything goes wrong, "IT'S THE PLAYERS' FAULT!"

It is irrespective of his field performance, just a personal accumulation of sport experiences on my part -- fifty years worth now -- that makes me adverse to big talk, chest-thumping, and bus-under throwing. I don't like it, and if you do like it, that's your problem, not mine.

As I have repeatedly stated, I welcomed Stitt's appointment, I think he's smart, and I look forward to the field of play strategies. That doesn't mean that I have to call you up and borrow your prom dress, pom poms and IUD every time I happen to think there's a cause for caution and concern on the manner of doing some things.

But, you're a cheerleader, and cheerleaders appoint themselves to do a job, and one job only.

Fortunately for you, it is a mindless task.

Words of advice: "Keep it classy, Coach."

What sports are these? Fifty years is impressive. All at the collegiate level or various levels?

 

[alabamagrizzly]

But everyone here knows you are a Stitt basher, so I am not sure it is entirely untruthful.

My position has always been, don't blame the player, whatever their reasons, it is generally nobody's business unless it is an organizational reason (abuse, harrassment, injury etc). My point has always been that when players do leave, responsible coaches will not leave rumors and innuendo swirling about. They will do the minimum of saying "So-and-so has chosen to leave the program. We appreciate his contributions and loyalty to the Montana Grizzlies and offer best wishes for his future success."

It's just that tough.

The Cats were able to do precisely that with Hoy, and that obviously did not require high-powered genius and extreme sensitivity. It only required the ordinary common sense and decency that seems to be lacking at UM for some reason. It is simply a professional gesture befitting a classy program and a last kind gesture to kids who wanted to do nothing more than play for the UM Grizzlies and, no matter the circumstances of their departure, must consider it a tremendous disappointment. These are for the most part still kids. The Coach doesn't get into sniping at his own players and former players, not a fully fledged adult coach anyway.

Currently, UM has a hard time just doing ordinary civility. There is a notable tendency to do the opposite, both on staff and due to jerks like you who like to make player's private lives your personal business, break down their doors so you can claim "i KNOW!!! I KNOW!!" like a bunch of damn gossipy schoolgirls along with a coach, and a "fan" community that wants to make sure the whole world knows that so-and-so played "terrible" and "it sure isn't my fault," and that so-and-so was "lazy," or "his hands were too small and we suspect his high school used smaller footballs to account for his record" as UM's nice send-off to a 17 year old kid in life's transition, you know, just to make sure future coaches and opportunities, friends and family are "aware" of the "problems."

That the kid they worshipped in the highest praises when recruited -- grown men in full swoon -- quickly becomes "it's a good thing we got rid of him," adding all sorts of innuendo and burden on the way out the door. And then any forum thread about the kid leaving quickly becomes a shark-fest. Welcome to the real world at UM, kids.

That above all, "it's NOT MY FAULT!!" Because "We don't lose in our house!" and "My offense is better than any defense" and so if anything goes wrong, "IT'S THE PLAYERS' FAULT!"

It is irrespective of his field performance, just a personal accumulation of sport experiences on my part -- fifty years worth now -- that makes me adverse to big talk, chest-thumping, and bus-under throwing. I don't like it, and if you do like it, that's your problem, not mine.

As I have repeatedly stated, I welcomed Stitt's appointment, I think he's smart, and I look forward to the field of play strategies. That doesn't mean that I have to call you up and borrow your prom dress, pom poms and IUD every time I happen to think there's a cause for caution and concern on the manner of doing some things.

But, you're a cheerleader, and cheerleaders appoint themselves to do a job, and one job only.

Fortunately for you, it is a mindless task.

Words of advice: "Keep it classy, Coach."

Nice editorial.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

But everyone here knows you are a Stitt basher, so I am not sure it is entirely untruthful.

My position has always been, don't blame the player, whatever their reasons, it is generally nobody's business unless it is an organizational reason (abuse, harrassment, injury etc). My point has always been that when players do leave, responsible coaches will not leave rumors and innuendo swirling about. They will do the minimum of saying "So-and-so has chosen to leave the program. We appreciate his contributions and loyalty to the Montana Grizzlies and offer best wishes for his future success."

It's just that tough.

The Cats were able to do precisely that with Hoy, and that obviously did not require high-powered genius and extreme sensitivity. It only required the ordinary common sense and decency that seems to be lacking at UM for some reason. It is simply a professional gesture befitting a classy program and a last kind gesture to kids who wanted to do nothing more than play for the UM Grizzlies and, no matter the circumstances of their departure, must consider it a tremendous disappointment. These are for the most part still kids. The Coach doesn't get into sniping at his own players and former players, not a fully fledged adult coach anyway.

Currently, UM has a hard time just doing ordinary civility. There is a notable tendency to do the opposite, both on staff and due to jerks like you who like to make player's private lives your personal business, break down their doors so you can claim "i KNOW!!! I KNOW!!" like a bunch of damn gossipy schoolgirls along with a coach, and a "fan" community that wants to make sure the whole world knows that so-and-so played "terrible" and "it sure isn't my fault," and that so-and-so was "lazy," or "his hands were too small and we suspect his high school used smaller footballs to account for his record" as UM's nice send-off to a 17 year old kid in life's transition, you know, just to make sure future coaches and opportunities, friends and family are "aware" of the "problems."

That the kid they worshipped in the highest praises when recruited -- grown men in full swoon -- quickly becomes "it's a good thing we got rid of him," adding all sorts of innuendo and burden on the way out the door. And then any forum thread about the kid leaving quickly becomes a shark-fest. Welcome to the real world at UM, kids.

That above all, "it's NOT MY FAULT!!" Because "We don't lose in our house!" and "My offense is better than any defense" and so if anything goes wrong, "IT'S THE PLAYERS' FAULT!"

It is irrespective of his field performance, just a personal accumulation of sport experiences on my part -- fifty years worth now -- that makes me adverse to big talk, chest-thumping, and bus-under throwing. I don't like it, and if you do like it, that's your problem, not mine.

As I have repeatedly stated, I welcomed Stitt's appointment, I think he's smart, and I look forward to the field of play strategies. That doesn't mean that I have to call you up and borrow your prom dress, pom poms and IUD every time I happen to think there's a cause for caution and concern on the manner of doing some things.

But, you're a cheerleader, and cheerleaders appoint themselves to do a job, and one job only.

Fortunately for you, it is a mindless task.

Words of advice: "Keep it classy, Coach."

75, I am not posting to pound my chest because I know some of the happenings in more detail than many, but you continually post half truths and misinformation about events. I will continue to call you out when you do so.

 

[George Ferguson]

Ellis Henderson - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (grades)
Dalton Daum - wouldn't play this season no matter who the head coach is (personal choosing)
Reese Carlson - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (no ministry school at UM)
Ryan Burke - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (retired for health)
Donovan Rooks - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (grades)
Marq Rogers - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (pretty sure he actually told the Delaney staff he was gone)
Taylor Walcott - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (retired for health)
Nico Graham - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (retired for health)
Zach Vis - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (told the staff he no longer wanted to pursue football)
Danny Peoples - wouldn't play this coming season no matter who the head coach is (Wanted to be a QB, was never recruited to UM to play QB)