Big Sky

[signedbewildered]

And OP stated "I would say that the Big Sky is the premiere conference THIS YEAR."

Buffalo Bill is arguing every point but failing to address that as FACT.

UNDSU has been good. Missouri Valley HAS been and is good. Post was about this year and I believe the next few years ahead.

Big Sky upward. Missouri Valley death spiral. We're coming for you.

 

[AZGrizFan]

First, the 2008 JMU team was not undefeated when Montana played them. Second, they did not have a good defense and had given up significant points in the preceding weeks leading up to Montana beating them. They had won their first playoff game 38-35 against Wofford and second game 31-27 against Villanova.

It was a good win undoubtably, but don’t pretend like the 2008 JMU team were world beaters. They had one score games against App State, Villanova and Richmond in the regular season.

In 2008, you had 5-6 teams who were all pretty much equal. App State, JMU, Villanova, Richmond, Montana, UNI...those teams were all very good. Arguably more parity in those playoffs than any other FCS playoffs before or since.

Not a single fan outside of the Montana fan base was surprised by that win nor look on it as some monumental slaying of the dragon type of event.

Any time you go into someone else's house, where they're ranked #1, and beat them in a winner-take-all scenario, it's monumental. Montana was NOT expected to win that game.

Your logic is so flawed its comical. You use "one-score games" against the other top teams in the country as proof that they weren't "world beaters". Yet you can excuse away SDSU's defeat against USD and NDSU's struggles with UCD and SDSU and SIU like they never happened.

Honestly, it's ok to admit your team is the best team in the country while at the same time BSC is the best conference in the country. Those two things do not have to be mutually exclusive.

NDSU has had one one score game all year...and that was against SDSU on the road when SDSU had their horses.

2008 JMU played 6 games before UM that were all decided by one score or less.

And but for the grace of God you lose to Davis. It’s ok to admit you’re wrong. really.

 

[AZGrizFan]

NDSU has earned the right by going 66-6 against conference opponents since 2011 while playing in the toughest conference every single year according to Sagarin. They have also gone 5-0 against FBS teams in that time period, 4 of which were P5 teams.

For the record, Montana has gone 46-26 in the Big Sky in that time period and not won nor been remotely competitive in a single FBS game.

Montana has played in 2 more non conference games since 2011 than NDSU, one less FBS game, and also scheduled D2 opponents 3 times compared to 0 for NDSU......so how do you think your scheduling has been tougher?

NDSU has earned the right to play in the Fargodome every single year and when they haven’t (2015) other teams have f***[*] up.

Don’t act like NDSU schedules cupcakes in order to enable them to play at home. Even if that was the case, it speaks to the stupidity of other teams in not following the same model.

The goal is to win championships.

Well folks this is apparently what happens when you have a bye week during the playoffs. Fans from other teams come to eGRIZ to argue about hypotheticals. I have seen it all and this thread is absolutely pure platinum. Not Gold. Damn platinum. FFSY?

I thought it was more Copper.

Why can't at least one Bison fan accept that the Big Sky got 4 seeds above the second best MV team? What's so hard about that. Seems cut and dried to me.

Yes the Big Sky has 4 seeded teams and the MVFC has 2. That doesn’t mean it was the premier conference in the FCS.

Not a single pundit out there is picking a Big Sky team to advance to Frisco.

Do you understand the difference between a conference and a single team? :roll:

 

[PlayerRep]

Well folks this is apparently what happens when you have a bye week during the playoffs. Fans from other teams come to eGRIZ to argue about hypotheticals. I have seen it all and this thread is absolutely pure platinum. Not Gold. Damn platinum. FFSY?

What isn’t hypothetical is the fact the Big Sky is not the premier league in the FCS according to Sagarin and is second to the MVFC.

Because the Big Sky has 13 teams and some of the bottom teams aren't very good. Sagarin shows that bottom of the MV is better than the bottom of the Big Sky.

Are you telling us that you really weren't able to figure that out for yourself?

Why do you think the Big Sky has 4 playoff seeds above the 2 seeded MV school?

Without NDSU, few would have heard of the MV.

In the last 5 years, 4 different MVFC teams have combined for 9 appearances in the semi finals, 6 appearances in the national championship game and 4 national championships.

In the last 5 years, 4 different CAA teams have combined for 5 appearances in the semi finals, 2 appearances in the national championship game and 1 national championship.

In the last 5 years, 1 Big Sky team has made it to the semi finals twice, National championship game once and has not won a championship.

Just saying in recent history the Big Sky has a ton of paper tigers who have not represented particularly well in the playoffs.

The topic in this thread is the conferences in 2019.

Thanks for all off the irrelevant history. Did you know that UM went to the national champion game 5 times in the 2000's. Had a streak of about 16 or 18 playoff appearances. Was the winningest team in D-I football in the 2000's, I believe. However, none of that is relevant as to which conference is the strongest in 2019, nor how many teams from each conference were seeded this year. See how that works.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

What isn’t hypothetical is the fact the Big Sky is not the premier league in the FCS according to Sagarin and is second to the MVFC.

Because the Big Sky has 13 teams and some of the bottom teams aren't very good. Sagarin shows that bottom of the MV is better than the bottom of the Big Sky.

Are you telling us that you really weren't able to figure that out for yourself?

Why do you think the Big Sky has 4 playoff seeds above the 2 seeded MV school?

Without NDSU, few would have heard of the MV.

In the last 5 years, 4 different MVFC teams have combined for 9 appearances in the semi finals, 6 appearances in the national championship game and 4 national championships.

In the last 5 years, 4 different CAA teams have combined for 5 appearances in the semi finals, 2 appearances in the national championship game and 1 national championship.

In the last 5 years, 1 Big Sky team has made it to the semi finals twice, National championship game once and has not won a championship.

Just saying in recent history the Big Sky has a ton of paper tigers who have not represented particularly well in the playoffs.

The topic in this thread is the conferences in 2019.

Thanks for all off the irrelevant history. Did you know that UM went to the national champion game 5 times in the 2000's. Had a streak of about 16 or 18 playoff appearances. Was the winningest team in D-I football in the 2000's, I believe. However, none of that is relevant as to which conference is the strongest in 2019, nor how many teams from each conference were seeded this year. See how that works.

Yes I did and 4 of those times they came up short.

 

[PlayerRep]

2011, how do the Bison match up to this:

"The Grizzlies had a winning season from 1986 to 2011. In Washington-Grizzly Stadium, they have a winning percentage of .890 including playoffs. They hold the records for most playoff appearances in a row (17), Big Sky Conference titles in a row (12), and overall playoff appearances (19). Their success made them the most successful program in all of college football in the 2000s (119 wins) and third most successful team in FCS in the 1990s (93 wins)."

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Well folks this is apparently what happens when you have a bye week during the playoffs. Fans from other teams come to eGRIZ to argue about hypotheticals. I have seen it all and this thread is absolutely pure platinum. Not Gold. Damn platinum. FFSY?

I thought it was more Copper.

Why can't at least one Bison fan accept that the Big Sky got 4 seeds above the second best MV team? What's so hard about that. Seems cut and dried to me.

Yes the Big Sky has 4 seeded teams and the MVFC has 2. That doesn’t mean it was the premier conference in the FCS.

Not a single pundit out there is picking a Big Sky team to advance to Frisco.

Do you understand the difference between a conference and a single team? :roll:

I totally do.

All I’ve said is that the Big Sky is not the premiere conference rather a conference very fortunate to have 4 seeded teams due to special circumstances. Top to bottom with the exception of one week at the end of the year, the MVFC was the best conference all year long.

I get injuries happen at all levels, but I think any intelligent fan can understand that losing a starting QB for the year can rarely be overcome.

Illinois State was a clear cut seeded team, probably 6 or so, before having a starting QB get hurt and over the last 1.5 games, having backups throw more picks than completions.

Fact of the matter is if that doesn’t happen, they are not losing to YSU to end the year, are seeded and Montana is playing this weekend leaving 3 seed Big Sky teams and 3 seeded MVFC teams with two teams representing both conferences as unseeded teams.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

2011, how do the Bison match up to this:

"The Grizzlies had a winning season from 1986 to 2011. In Washington-Grizzly Stadium, they have a winning percentage of .890 including playoffs. They hold the records for most playoff appearances in a row (17), Big Sky Conference titles in a row (12), and overall playoff appearances (19). Their success made them the most successful program in all of college football in the 2000s (119 wins) and third most successful team in FCS in the 1990s (93 wins)."

NDSU - 7 National championships in the FCS. 15 overall
UM- 2 National championships

UM has played in the FCS since 1978 and has 34 playoff wins. NDSU has been playoff eligible in the FCS since 2008 and has 32 playoff wins.

NDSU has 132 wins this decade, eclipsing the 119 wins UM put up in the 2000’s and still had this year’s playoffs to go.

Since 1894 (First year of football played at NDSU) only Oklahoma has won a higher percentage of games than NDSU across any level of college football.

 

[signedbewildered]

2011, how do the Bison match up to this:

"The Grizzlies had a winning season from 1986 to 2011. In Washington-Grizzly Stadium, they have a winning percentage of .890 including playoffs. They hold the records for most playoff appearances in a row (17), Big Sky Conference titles in a row (12), and overall playoff appearances (19). Their success made them the most successful program in all of college football in the 2000s (119 wins) and third most successful team in FCS in the 1990s (93 wins)."

NDSU - 7 National championships
UM- 2 National championships

UM has played in the FCS since 1978 and has 34 playoff wins. NDSU has been playoff eligible in the FCS since 2008 and has 32 playoff wins.

And the premiere conference this year is?

 

[PlayerRep]

I thought it was more Copper.

Why can't at least one Bison fan accept that the Big Sky got 4 seeds above the second best MV team? What's so hard about that. Seems cut and dried to me.

Yes the Big Sky has 4 seeded teams and the MVFC has 2. That doesn’t mean it was the premier conference in the FCS.

Not a single pundit out there is picking a Big Sky team to advance to Frisco.

Do you understand the difference between a conference and a single team? :roll:

I totally do.

All I’ve said is that the Big Sky is not the premiere conference rather a conference very fortunate to have 4 seeded teams due to special circumstances. Top to bottom with the exception of one week at the end of the year, the MVFC was the best conference all year long.

I get injuries happen at all levels, but I think any intelligent fan can understand that losing a starting QB for the year can rarely be overcome.

Illinois State was a clear cut seeded team, probably 6 or so, before having a starting QB get hurt and over the last 1.5 games, having backups throw more picks than completions.

Fact of the matter is if that doesn’t happen, they are not losing to YSU to end the year, are seeded and Montana is playing this weekend leaving 3 seed Big Sky teams and 3 seeded MVFC teams with two teams representing both conferences as unseeded teams.

So if Ill St gets seeded, UM drops from a 6th seed to unseeded? Is that North Dakota math? Now, I can see where all those North Dakota jokes I grew up with, came from.

Is Morehead St the signature win of Ill St?

I doubt that Ill St would have been seeded above the Griz had it won its last game.

 

[PlayerRep]

2011, how do the Bison match up to this:

"The Grizzlies had a winning season from 1986 to 2011. In Washington-Grizzly Stadium, they have a winning percentage of .890 including playoffs. They hold the records for most playoff appearances in a row (17), Big Sky Conference titles in a row (12), and overall playoff appearances (19). Their success made them the most successful program in all of college football in the 2000s (119 wins) and third most successful team in FCS in the 1990s (93 wins)."

NDSU - 7 National championships
UM- 2 National championships

UM has played in the FCS since 1978 and has 34 playoff wins. NDSU has been playoff eligible in the FCS since 2008 and has 32 playoff wins.

NDSU has 155 wins this decade, eclipsing the 119 wins UM put up in the 2000’s and still had this year’s playoffs to go.

So you are admitting that NDSU has not yet caught up with UM in the various of these categories?

 

[PlayerRep]

2011, I suppose you think NDSU leads the Griz in attendance per game too?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

2011, how do the Bison match up to this:

"The Grizzlies had a winning season from 1986 to 2011. In Washington-Grizzly Stadium, they have a winning percentage of .890 including playoffs. They hold the records for most playoff appearances in a row (17), Big Sky Conference titles in a row (12), and overall playoff appearances (19). Their success made them the most successful program in all of college football in the 2000s (119 wins) and third most successful team in FCS in the 1990s (93 wins)."

NDSU - 7 National championships
UM- 2 National championships

UM has played in the FCS since 1978 and has 34 playoff wins. NDSU has been playoff eligible in the FCS since 2008 and has 32 playoff wins.

NDSU has 155 wins this decade, eclipsing the 119 wins UM put up in the 2000’s and still had this year’s playoffs to go.

So you are admitting that NDSU has not yet caught up with UM in the various of these categories?

Well considering the fact it is impossible for NDSU to win a Big Sky conference championship by not playing in the conference and have only been eligible for the FCS playoffs since 2008, thus making it impossible to have matched that playoff streak, ya you have that.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

2011, I suppose you think NDSU leads the Griz in attendance per game too?

Nope the Fargodome has fewer seats than WaGriz. Doesn’t matter.

Why did you leave off the fact that Montana has more championship game losses than any other FCS team in your list of accomplishments?

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

2011, how do the Bison match up to this:

"The Grizzlies had a winning season from 1986 to 2011. In Washington-Grizzly Stadium, they have a winning percentage of .890 including playoffs. They hold the records for most playoff appearances in a row (17), Big Sky Conference titles in a row (12), and overall playoff appearances (19). Their success made them the most successful program in all of college football in the 2000s (119 wins) and third most successful team in FCS in the 1990s (93 wins)."

NDSU - 7 National championships
UM- 2 National championships

UM has played in the FCS since 1978 and has 34 playoff wins. NDSU has been playoff eligible in the FCS since 2008 and has 32 playoff wins.

And the premiere conference this year is?

Well if you consider the fact the MVFC won more head to head games against Big Sky opponents this year, had a higher Sagarin rating than the Big Sky and has the top team in the country prevailing out of it, I’d say the MVFC.

If you consider the fact the Big Sky ended up with more seeded teams, I’d say the Big Sky.

We will see what happens at the end of the year. If the Big Sky is the premiere conference, then surely one of their premier teams will be playing in Frisco.

 

[uofmman1122]

The only conclusion you can draw from this thread is that 2011 isn't serious and is just trolling.

No one is that obtuse, unless it's all on purpose. :lol:

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Yes the Big Sky has 4 seeded teams and the MVFC has 2. That doesn’t mean it was the premier conference in the FCS.

Not a single pundit out there is picking a Big Sky team to advance to Frisco.

Do you understand the difference between a conference and a single team? :roll:

I totally do.

All I’ve said is that the Big Sky is not the premiere conference rather a conference very fortunate to have 4 seeded teams due to special circumstances. Top to bottom with the exception of one week at the end of the year, the MVFC was the best conference all year long.

I get injuries happen at all levels, but I think any intelligent fan can understand that losing a starting QB for the year can rarely be overcome.

Illinois State was a clear cut seeded team, probably 6 or so, before having a starting QB get hurt and over the last 1.5 games, having backups throw more picks than completions.

Fact of the matter is if that doesn’t happen, they are not losing to YSU to end the year, are seeded and Montana is playing this weekend leaving 3 seed Big Sky teams and 3 seeded MVFC teams with two teams representing both conferences as unseeded teams.

So if Ill St gets seeded, UM drops from a 6th seed to unseeded? Is that North Dakota math? Now, I can see where all those North Dakota jokes I grew up with, came from.

Is Morehead St the signature win of Ill St?

I doubt that Ill St would have been seeded above the Griz had it won its last game.

Road win against SDSU was their premier win.

They were ranked 7th in the stats poll entering into the last week.

Yes, I think UM drops out

 

[signedbewildered]

So ya, he says The Big Sky (is the premiere conference this season) At least it didn't take 17 pages to admit that.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

2011, how do the Bison match up to this:

"The Grizzlies had a winning season from 1986 to 2011. In Washington-Grizzly Stadium, they have a winning percentage of .890 including playoffs. They hold the records for most playoff appearances in a row (17), Big Sky Conference titles in a row (12), and overall playoff appearances (19). Their success made them the most successful program in all of college football in the 2000s (119 wins) and third most successful team in FCS in the 1990s (93 wins)."

NDSU - 7 National championships
UM- 2 National championships

UM has played in the FCS since 1978 and has 34 playoff wins. NDSU has been playoff eligible in the FCS since 2008 and has 32 playoff wins.

And the premiere conference this year is?

We will see what happens at the end of the year. If the Big Sky is the premiere conference, then surely one of their premier teams will be playing in Frisco.

If it happens, you’ll disappear. If it doesn’t, you’ll have 600 more posts by June begging and pleading with every eGriz poster to recognize the T-Buffs, even though everyone already has.

No true king has to say, “I’m the King!” over 1,000 times to whom he declares peasants, unless, of course....

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

So ya, he says The Big Sky (is the premiere conference this season) At least it didn't take 17 pages to admit that.

If the Big Sky is the premiere conference, then I’d hope one of their premiere teams ends up in Frisco.