I think this would be a really good bracket for the Griz.
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MBBALL Big Sky Crunch Time (II)
- Thread starter IdaGriz01
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The bsc is so damn weird. Why does the one seed have to face the 3 seed in the semis, while the 2 gets the 4? It's like they don't even give a shit.
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BelierPeaux
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Huh? The way I'm seeing that, if we, the 1 seed wins our first game, we play the winner of #4PSU vs #5IU. So #1 would play #4 assuming the higher seeds win.
Everett you need to full screen the image. 1 seed plays the winner of 4 vs 5 and the 2 seed plays the winner of 3 vs 6. They have ISU as the 3 right now because PSU has only played the Griz once while ISU has a split with the Griz. That gives them the tiebreaker for now.
This makes sense. Thanks. Forgot isu tied psu this week.
IdaGriz01
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Today, the big thing is to hope the Griz don’t get complacent and overlook Sac State. GO GRIZ!
Still, the other three games offer some interesting possibilities. The key stat is a 7-9 record … Hang with me: If the kitties lose to PSU (very possible, if the Vikings can right the ship), they drop to (7-9). Same for Idaho if they lose at home to ISU … also possible since we know that the Bengals can get hot. And finally, it’s entirely possible that EWU can win at home against WSU … so they could also go to 7-9. By my reckoning, that would leave four teams vying for two spots in seeds #3 thru #6. As noted in another post, those middle seeds are “safe” in that those teams have to win only three games to go all the way. Drop below that and you would need to win four in a row.
Still games to be played, but certainly an interesting scenario.
Still, the other three games offer some interesting possibilities. The key stat is a 7-9 record … Hang with me: If the kitties lose to PSU (very possible, if the Vikings can right the ship), they drop to (7-9). Same for Idaho if they lose at home to ISU … also possible since we know that the Bengals can get hot. And finally, it’s entirely possible that EWU can win at home against WSU … so they could also go to 7-9. By my reckoning, that would leave four teams vying for two spots in seeds #3 thru #6. As noted in another post, those middle seeds are “safe” in that those teams have to win only three games to go all the way. Drop below that and you would need to win four in a row.
Still games to be played, but certainly an interesting scenario.
IdaGriz01
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Down to the wire, with some places mostly settled, but many more wide open. We know the Ursines (Grizzlies and UNC Bears) are set for #1 and #2 … but the order is still TBD. On the records, the Bears have the advantage. They finish on the road, but against weaker opponents. The Griz must play at Portland State, which will be tough. I could see the season ending in a tie, and don’t know how the tie-breakers would play out. As I recall, the Big Sky declares co-champions and only uses the tie-breakers to assign the #1 conference tournament seed.
After that, things get messy. With (9-7) records, PSU and ISU are certain to be in the mix, even if they don’t win another game. That’s because there are three teams below them who could, theoretically (however unlikely), win two games and also end at (9-7). Of course, they cannot all win two, because Idaho and MSU play each other.
Realistically, I expect the Vikings and the Bengals to win at least one more game and lock in spots #3 and #4. The means the three (7-9) teams will be fighting for the two remaining “safe” spot. By “safe” I mean they don’t fall in the group of bottom feeders who would have to win four straight games in the tournament to go all the way.
Griz (14-2) . . . @ PSU, EWU
UNC (13-3) . . . @ NAU, @ WSU
PSU (9-7) . . . Griz, Sac
ISU (9-7) . . . @ EWU, NAU
Idaho (7-9) . . . WSU, @ MSU
NAU (7-9) . . . UNC, @ ISU
MSU (7-9) . . . @ Sac, Ida
EWU (6-10). . . ISU, @ Griz
WBS (5-11) . . . @ Idaho, UNC
Sac (3-13) . . . MSU, @ PSU
After that, things get messy. With (9-7) records, PSU and ISU are certain to be in the mix, even if they don’t win another game. That’s because there are three teams below them who could, theoretically (however unlikely), win two games and also end at (9-7). Of course, they cannot all win two, because Idaho and MSU play each other.
Realistically, I expect the Vikings and the Bengals to win at least one more game and lock in spots #3 and #4. The means the three (7-9) teams will be fighting for the two remaining “safe” spot. By “safe” I mean they don’t fall in the group of bottom feeders who would have to win four straight games in the tournament to go all the way.
Griz (14-2) . . . @ PSU, EWU
UNC (13-3) . . . @ NAU, @ WSU
PSU (9-7) . . . Griz, Sac
ISU (9-7) . . . @ EWU, NAU
Idaho (7-9) . . . WSU, @ MSU
NAU (7-9) . . . UNC, @ ISU
MSU (7-9) . . . @ Sac, Ida
EWU (6-10). . . ISU, @ Griz
WBS (5-11) . . . @ Idaho, UNC
Sac (3-13) . . . MSU, @ PSU
TrueGriz
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If Montana cannot beat PSU tomorrow, Idaho has to finish ahead of ISU and MSU for Montana to have any chance at a tiebreak. That is now impossible. Best hope, is that Montana wins their next 2 games and not have to worry about a tiebreaker.
Yeah, that unfathomable isu loss may come back to hurt in a multitude of ways. That said, since the NIT no longer automatically invites conference champions who do not win their league, there is essentially no difference between finishing first and second in the bsc. Especially in cases of ties, where the league awards co-championships: Still a banner. Still the same schedule in boise. And since there isn't really a dominant #3 team, "winning" the league doesn't matter all that much.
That said, let's take care of business and ensure that banner only has "GRIZ" on it.
That said, let's take care of business and ensure that banner only has "GRIZ" on it.
Or UNC drops another game. I think they could lose to NAU tomorrow
IdaGriz01
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Except for the season title and one other spot, only minor tie-breaker details remain to be nailed down for the Big Sky.
Always chancy to anticipate, but the Griz should win at home against EWU (even if they somehow keep it close). Should Weber “astonish the world” and upset the Bears, the Griz would have the season title alone. Either way, they will be a #1 or #2 seed.
Win or lose, PSU and ISU get the next two spots (in either order). At the other end. EWU, WSU and Sac State are going into the bottom seeds.
In between, we have some slight drama: Idaho (8-9), MSU (8-9), and NAU (7-10) could stir the pot slightly. With the Spuds playing at Bozoland, one has to end at (8-10). Meanwhile, NAU is in Pocatello. A win (unlikely but possible) gets them to (8-10) also. Then it would be back to tie-breakers, and I don’t care enough to check that out.
UNC (14-3) . . . @ WSU
Griz (14-3) . . . EWU
PSU (10-7) . . . Sac
ISU (10-7) . . . NAU
Idaho (8-9) . . . @ MSU
MSU (8-9) . . . Ida
NAU (7-10) . . . @ ISU
EWU (6-11). . . @ Griz
WSU (5-12) . . . UNC
Sac (3-14) . . . @ PSU
Always chancy to anticipate, but the Griz should win at home against EWU (even if they somehow keep it close). Should Weber “astonish the world” and upset the Bears, the Griz would have the season title alone. Either way, they will be a #1 or #2 seed.
Win or lose, PSU and ISU get the next two spots (in either order). At the other end. EWU, WSU and Sac State are going into the bottom seeds.
In between, we have some slight drama: Idaho (8-9), MSU (8-9), and NAU (7-10) could stir the pot slightly. With the Spuds playing at Bozoland, one has to end at (8-10). Meanwhile, NAU is in Pocatello. A win (unlikely but possible) gets them to (8-10) also. Then it would be back to tie-breakers, and I don’t care enough to check that out.
UNC (14-3) . . . @ WSU
Griz (14-3) . . . EWU
PSU (10-7) . . . Sac
ISU (10-7) . . . NAU
Idaho (8-9) . . . @ MSU
MSU (8-9) . . . Ida
NAU (7-10) . . . @ ISU
EWU (6-11). . . @ Griz
WSU (5-12) . . . UNC
Sac (3-14) . . . @ PSU
It's amazing to me that a team who finishes two games under .500 could finish fifth in the bsc.
I believe (although I too don't care enough to do much research) that the spuds and bubs are locked into the 5-6 lines because they would both hold the tie break over nau since the jacks got swept by psu and the other two split. So the game this week between them determines who is 5 and who is 6.
