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Badlands Bowl

EverettGriz said:
argh! said:
Paytonlives said:
If msu is killing UM in-state then where are all the cat NFL players?
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on their roster. time is immaterial in this argument.
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They're the back-ups.
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Back-up to back-up, the Cats have reportedly owned the state for years. It's not even close. Remember that one back-up they had a few years back?
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
HookedonGriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
Unfortunately, quantity never supersedes quality......
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Are you implying those six aren't quality?
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Growler you gotta help me out. You've been pretty vocal about the Griz not going after MT kids and losing the battle to the Cats. Here we have what seem to be 6 very solid MT recruits who are going to be Griz. There are probably about 10-12 kids from MT who can play D1 on a good year and we got 6 of them. Are you saying these guys aren't meeting the Griz standards or your standards? Just trying to get a feel where you're coming from on this.
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Not saying that at all. But, when Hauck/Paulsen were recruiting Montana, we got about 8 of the top 10 kids every year, and the only ones the Cats were able to sign were legacy kids or kids who wanted engineering or AG majors. Now, the Cats get 50% - 60% of the top 10. Big difference. We can quickly turn it around because of hiring 2-3 assistant coaches with strong Montana roots. But, as you know, I deal in reality, and the facts are that MSU has beaten us with in-state recruiting for at least 4-5 years. Will be interesting to see how Shann et. al. make a difference in next year's recruiting class.

Also, I have posted that our lack of a solid base of Montana kids in our starting lineup, as opposed to the Hauck era, is one of the reasons we don't seem to have that Montana pride "never-to-lose" that we used to have. In reality, out-of-state players, for the most part, are hired guns. They sign with the school who they think will give them the best chance to get to the NFL. They don't live and die Montana football like in-state kids do. When we had 8-9 Montana kids starting out of 22 starters, they set the tone and expectations for the other kids. Now, we have so few starters from Montana that this phenomenon doesn't exist any longer. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it! I will tell you that this opinion is shared by several Ex-Griz players whom I know.
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Is this why NDSU is so successful? Getting a ton of players from ND...er...wait...
 
CDAGRIZ said:
EverettGriz said:
argh! said:
Paytonlives said:
If msu is killing UM in-state then where are all the cat NFL players?
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on their roster. time is immaterial in this argument.
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They're the back-ups.
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Back-up to back-up, the Cats have reportedly owned the state for years. It's not even close. Remember that one back-up they had a few years back?
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Shit, I try to forget him. That guy could sit around and hand out water like no other. Dude was a real non-player.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
HookedonGriz said:
AZGrizFan said:
Are you implying those six aren't quality?
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Growler you gotta help me out. You've been pretty vocal about the Griz not going after MT kids and losing the battle to the Cats. Here we have what seem to be 6 very solid MT recruits who are going to be Griz. There are probably about 10-12 kids from MT who can play D1 on a good year and we got 6 of them. Are you saying these guys aren't meeting the Griz standards or your standards? Just trying to get a feel where you're coming from on this.
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Not saying that at all. But, when Hauck/Paulsen were recruiting Montana, we got about 8 of the top 10 kids every year, and the only ones the Cats were able to sign were legacy kids or kids who wanted engineering or AG majors. Now, the Cats get 50% - 60% of the top 10. Big difference. We can quickly turn it around because of hiring 2-3 assistant coaches with strong Montana roots. But, as you know, I deal in reality, and the facts are that MSU has beaten us with in-state recruiting for at least 4-5 years. Will be interesting to see how Shann et. al. make a difference in next year's recruiting class.

Also, I have posted that our lack of a solid base of Montana kids in our starting lineup, as opposed to the Hauck era, is one of the reasons we don't seem to have that Montana pride "never-to-lose" that we used to have. In reality, out-of-state players, for the most part, are hired guns. They sign with the school who they think will give them the best chance to get to the NFL. They don't live and die Montana football like in-state kids do. When we had 8-9 Montana kids starting out of 22 starters, they set the tone and expectations for the other kids. Now, we have so few starters from Montana that this phenomenon doesn't exist any longer. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it! I will tell you that this opinion is shared by several Ex-Griz players whom I know.
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I disagree, but let's assume for a minute you're correct about MSU winning the in-state recruiting battle 'for at least 4-5 years". What has that gotten them? Zip. Zilch. Nada. They could only go 1-2 against arguably the worst coach in the program's last 30 years...a grand total of 2 playoff wins since 2010 (Montana has 4 in that span--I know, I know, not enough, but stay with me here)...5 wins TOTAL against the Griz since 1986. FIVE. And last year, down 44-22 before the Griz took their foot off the Bobcats' throat late in the 3rd. By what measure, exactly, are you so certain that MSU has "won the state" the past 4-5 years? What did Tanner Roderick accomplish? Gunnar Brekke? Connor Thomas? (And now presumably Daum?) Name 10 players from the state of Montana that play for the Bobcats right now that you think the Griz "lost" on...I can think of two. Maybe three.

And do you honestly think, for even a moment, that out of state kids are selecting Montana because they think going to Montana "will give them the best chance to get to the NFL"? You don't think it's because of the game-day atmosphere, the tradition of winning, the largest crowds in the FCS, etc., etc.? Go read some tweets from guys like Keith Thompson, Nate Harris, KVA, Kose, etc.......guys who literally BLEED Montana maroon, yet they're "not from around here". Calling those guys hired guns is a huge, gigantic slam of epic proportions. I would LOVE to see you call any one of those guys that to their face.
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Keep living in denial, like Payton, Raider, et. al. But please stop the ridiculous comments telling me how many games the Cats have won versus the Griz, because that argument has ZERO relevance to this discussion. And, I want UM to get back to getting the TOP 6-7 players in the state each year, kids who can be starters, NOT in filling our roster with a bunch of Montana kids who ride the pines. It's about QUALITY, not QUANTITY. I stand firmly, as do several former Griz players from Montana high schools, that we have lost that swagger, that will-to-never-lose, that we had when more Montana kids were starting for us. You know what's funny to me....... 10-15 years ago Griz fans used to make fun of the Cats because they had to fill there roster with so many out-of-state kids (mostly from CA), and we had a roster heavily laden with home-state kids. Why is it so freakin' difficult for some Griz fans to admit that we have been out-recruited in-state the past 5 years? So many live in denial. i think it will change, but the past is in stone, and it ain't pretty.
 
Richard Cranium said:
The 4 Griz Defensive recruits are stealing the show! 22-0 Montana!
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You must be mistaken. Growler says the Griz cannot recruit quality in-state players. And recall, he played intramural baseball back in 1922.
 
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