Attention Cat and Choate Bashers

[grizghost]

Okay, at least, you can now admit that a renewal is/was a good idea. Some of the MSU administration figured it out earlier. It was pretty clear to me that Choate was taking the program in the right direction. 3 wins over Griz in a row, and playoffs.

I think the verdict is still out. MSU went to the playoffs 4 out of 6 times before Choate took over. In his 3 years they missed the playoffs his first two years and were a bubble team in the third. The cats have yet to beat a playoff team in his three years...

I think he’s a good coach but not sure finishing 5th in the conference in your 3rd year is a stamp of approval. Had the cats lost Saturday, he’d have been on the hot seat

Did Ash beat the Griz 3 years in a row, and every year he coached at MSU? It's much more than making the playoffs. Also note that the Cats went to the playoffs once in Ash's last 3 years. Sorry to have to tell you this. But as an Eagle fan, I suppose you don't know much.

Maybe I don’t know much, I don’t follow the Montana programs nearly as much as I do Eastern. But....I’m just not sold that finishing 7-4 in the big sky in your 3rd year is moving in the right direction. Maybe it is considering how bad they/he was in year 1. It’s almost like you are accepting mediocrity...

Also, had the Griz run it in from the 1/2 yard line this would be an entirety different discussion, correct? 6-5 and three straight non playoff years isn’t moving in the right direction but because a Griz RB fumbled on the 1, it’s a totally different conversation.

agreed...the Bobcat fans would be calling for his head if the last Griz TD was legit..fans are fickle!

 

[Rxgrzz]

In our last three meetings we did plenty to make Choate look better than he is.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Did Ash beat the Griz 3 years in a row, and every year he coached at MSU? It's much more than making the playoffs. Also note that the Cats went to the playoffs once in Ash's last 3 years. Sorry to have to tell you this. But as an Eagle fan, I suppose you don't know much.

If Bobby’s year 2 and 3 match Choates, I wonder if Griz nation will believe he’s a great coach? This is a tough room.

Your premise is flawed. My guess is the vast majority already believe he is a great coach. Of course, you, AZ, CDA, argh, All Weather and Dutch Lane are outliers on the matter...

Jack down, Sergeant Snowflake. I’m so pissed you don’t like the guy I like! Its a message board, people will not always agree with you. If you can’t hack that, maybe you should put the above list on ignore.

It’s a serious question that relates to the expectations of both fan bases.

Definitely not pissed. I'm good with different opinions, and think scrutiny is healthy. That's not what you are doing. You want to make continuous comparison's to Stitt and the way it ended for him. I'm over it. Give Hauck a few years...then we'll see.

BTW - I didn't make it personal...so shove your snowflake comment up your ursa minor.

 

[Htowngriz]

What's hilarious is that Griz fans spend most of the year bashing Choate as a terrible coach, and then he beats them. So they've lost three seasons in a row to a guy that they loudly proclaim to be a buffoon. He's terrible and yet he owns them.

The man has not been a wonder-coach, but he has instilled toughness and determination in his team and they've gotten incrementally better year over year. If he can solve the QB conundrum, the team will take another big step forward. If Griz fans were willing to admit the reality of it, they wouldn't be so terribly embarrassed.

Funny, that's the EXACT tune cat fans sang about Hauck during his first tenure, which, as you'll remember, did not exactly go well for the cats.

 

[Ursa Major]

If Bobby’s year 2 and 3 match Choates, I wonder if Griz nation will believe he’s a great coach? This is a tough room.

Your premise is flawed. My guess is the vast majority already believe he is a great coach. Of course, you, AZ, CDA, argh, All Weather and Dutch Lane are outliers on the matter...

Jack down, Sergeant Snowflake. I’m so pissed you don’t like the guy I like! Its a message board, people will not always agree with you. If you can’t hack that, maybe you should put the above list on ignore.

It’s a serious question that relates to the expectations of both fan bases.

Definitely not pissed. I'm good with different opinions, and think scrutiny is healthy. That's not what you are doing. You want to make continuous comparison's to Stitt and the way it ended for him. I'm over it. Give Hauck a few years...then we'll see.

BTW - I didn't make it personal...so shove your snowflake comment up your ursa minor.

Where exactly did I ever mention Stitt? Is Choachoate now code for Stitt? Is the mention of any coach's now a thinly veiled reference to Stitt? Reread my post, the question I asked is clear, would Griz fans be satisfied with Choachoate's record? It's the comparison of the fanbases ability to accept slow progress. That's all.

 

[Griz Stud]

Count me in on the list of people that do not think Choate has that team headed in the right direction.

Neither team playing in Bozeman should be in the playoffs and if not for the expanded field of 24 teams they wouldn't be. It took turnovers from us the last couple years to even get the Cats into the conversation. Coach Choate is 16-17 in Bozeman and 3-0 against us. That should get him fired anywhere else but not in Bozeman they only care about beating us and record and playoffs be damned. I would guess that a coach that wins less than half his games over 3 seasons would be canned in Missoula. We fired Stitt with a winning regular season record.

We did more to lose these games than the Cats did to win them but they did win them, not taking anything away from them. Lets just not act like they wont be embarrassed in the playoffs because they will.

So no, I don't think Choate has anything going over there

 

[kemajic]

I was on the fence as you recall. I am no longer. He has them going in the right direction. Get them a QB coupled with 17 returning starters.. gonna be hard to beat for a couple of years.

Montana started 3 seniors, all on D. MSU started 6 seniors, 2 on O; 4 on D. Montana is also going to be hard to beat for a couple years.

 

[kemajic]

I think Choach is well deserving of a renewal right now. I refuse to think it was a good business decision to do so before now.

Okay, at least, you can now admit that a renewal is/was a good idea. Some of the MSU administration figured it out earlier.

But then, that is the same admin. that continues with BBall coach Fish and his 50-72 record at MSU.

 

[Copper Griz]

MSU is mediocre. To say anything different is foolhardy. They were ranked 25th and finished 4th in the Big Sky. The Griz were pedestrian at best. Choate squeaked into the playoffs in his third year. Will he contend for the BSC with EWU, Weebs or Davis in the future? Not likely. Especially since his OC will be onto greener pastures in no time. Think about this - the Griz had no Oline, were into second and third string running backs and had hobbled together Swiss cheese for a secondary. They almost beat the Bobcats. Hell, one receiver brutalized them all damn day and that was with a QB running for his life. I am major bummed to say that beating the Griz is not a major accomplishment, but it IS NOT. Neither Montana program is headed the direction of dominance and deep playoff runs.
Last, but not least - who the hell cares about Choate and the Cats? Post this drivel on their board so you can get your required validation. Get a ticket from your friend Ty Bear and go put on yellow and gold so you can root for them in their playoff game. I back Bobby and look forward to the Griz being victorious again. Enough with kitty discussions

 

[Griz Stud]

MSU is mediocre. To say anything different is foolhardy. They were ranked 25th and finished 4th in the Big Sky. The Griz were pedestrian at best. Choate squeaked into the playoffs in his third year. Will he contend for the BSC with EWU, Weebs or Davis in the future? Not likely. Especially since his OC will be onto greener pastures in no time. Think about this - the Griz had no Oline, were into second and third string running backs and had hobbled together Swiss cheese for a secondary. They almost beat the Bobcats. Hell, one receiver brutalized them all damn day and that was with a QB running for his life. I am major bummed to say that beating the Griz is not a major accomplishment, but it IS NOT. Neither Montana program is headed the direction of dominance and deep playoff runs.
Last, but not least - who the hell cares about Choate and the Cats? Post this drivel on their board so you can get your required validation. Get a ticket from your friend Ty Bear and go put on yellow and gold so you can root for them in their playoff game. I back Bobby and look forward to the Griz being victorious again. Enough with kitty discussions

+1

 

[kemajic]

Both young teams have gaping holes to fill to move toward the top of the BSC. As noted, MSU needs a passing game (QB, receivers) and a better pass defense. UM needs a running game (OL, RBs) that don't put the ball on the ground and a D that can stop the run. Both will be better next year. But it is a long way to the top of the BSC for both.

Hauck was 6-5 in his first year; Choate was 4-7 in his.

 

[Spanky2]

MSU is mediocre. To say anything different is foolhardy. They were ranked 25th and finished 4th in the Big Sky. The Griz were pedestrian at best. Choate squeaked into the playoffs in his third year. Will he contend for the BSC with EWU, Weebs or Davis in the future? Not likely. Especially since his OC will be onto greener pastures in no time. Think about this - the Griz had no Oline, were into second and third string running backs and had hobbled together Swiss cheese for a secondary. They almost beat the Bobcats. Hell, one receiver brutalized them all damn day and that was with a QB running for his life. I am major bummed to say that beating the Griz is not a major accomplishment, but it IS NOT. Neither Montana program is headed the direction of dominance and deep playoff runs.
Last, but not least - who the hell cares about Choate and the Cats? Post this drivel on their board so you can get your required validation. Get a ticket from your friend Ty Bear and go put on yellow and gold so you can root for them in their playoff game. I back Bobby and look forward to the Griz being victorious again. Enough with kitty discussions

+1

 

[jodcon]

I really don't give a fuck how many seasons Choate is in Bozeman as long as he wins 4-7 games a year. He can stay there until he dies if that's his ceiling and they are happy with that.

I'm concerned with getting this program back to 8+ win seasons and getting there quickly, with the schedule we have next year and the personnel turnover I expect in the offseason it may be a year away, but it's coming.

I'll add a "book it" because I believe it wholeheartedly even if others don't.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Both young teams have gaping holes to fill to move toward the top of the BSC. As noted, MSU needs a passing game (QB, receivers) and a better pass defense. UM needs a running game (OL, RBs) that don't put the ball on the ground and a D that can stop the run. Both will be better next year. But it is a long way to the top of the BSC for both.

Hauck was 6-5 in his first year; Choate was 4-7 in his.

Yep. And the last UM coach did even worse in his first year with no signature wins. Words can't even begin to describe the mess Bobby was forced to inherit this season. It's going to take some time to fix it. Guess what, Griz fans, next year might not even be as good as this year in terms of record with the mess Bobby has to fix. I think we should all temper our expectations a bit.

 

[Cledus]

Both young teams have gaping holes to fill to move toward the top of the BSC. As noted, MSU needs a passing game (QB, receivers) and a better pass defense. UM needs a running game (OL, RBs) that don't put the ball on the ground and a D that can stop the run. Both will be better next year. But it is a long way to the top of the BSC for both.

Hauck was 6-5 in his first year; Choate was 4-7 in his.

Yep. And the last UM coach did even worse in his first year with no signature wins. Words can't even begin to describe the mess Bobby was forced to inherit this season. It's going to take some time to fix it. Guess what, Griz fans, next year might not even be as good as this year in terms of record with the mess Bobby has to fix. I think we should all temper our expectations a bit.

Really? A victory of NDSU doesn't count as signature? There are not a lot of coaches who can claim a victory over NDSU. Bob Stitt was one of them who can. If you weren't pleased with that, there's probably nothing that would ever make you happy.

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2015/8/29/FB_0829152639.aspx

 

[AZGrizFan]

Both young teams have gaping holes to fill to move toward the top of the BSC. As noted, MSU needs a passing game (QB, receivers) and a better pass defense. UM needs a running game (OL, RBs) that don't put the ball on the ground and a D that can stop the run. Both will be better next year. But it is a long way to the top of the BSC for both.

Hauck was 6-5 in his first year; Choate was 4-7 in his.

Yep. And the last UM coach did even worse in his first year with no signature wins. Words can't even begin to describe the mess Bobby was forced to inherit this season. It's going to take some time to fix it. Guess what, Griz fans, next year might not even be as good as this year in terms of record with the mess Bobby has to fix. I think we should all temper our expectations a bit.

Really? A victory of NDSU doesn't count as signature? There are not a lot of coaches who can claim a victory over NDSU. Bob Stitt was one of them who can. If you weren't pleased with that, there's probably nothing that would ever make you happy.

https://bigskyconf.com/news/2015/8/29/FB_0829152639.aspx

I see the fish are still biting, CDA?

 

[PlayerRep]

I really don't give a f*** how many seasons Choate is in Bozeman as long as he wins 4-7 games a year. He can stay there until he dies if that's his ceiling and they are happy with that.

I'm concerned with getting this program back to 8+ win seasons and getting there quickly, with the schedule we have next year and the personnel turnover I expect in the offseason it may be a year away, but it's coming.

I'll add a "book it" because I believe it wholeheartedly even if others don't.

What if the Cats win against Word, and get 8 wins? Then, how do you feel?

 

[PlayerRep]

MSU is mediocre. To say anything different is foolhardy. They were ranked 25th and finished 4th in the Big Sky. The Griz were pedestrian at best. Choate squeaked into the playoffs in his third year. Will he contend for the BSC with EWU, Weebs or Davis in the future? Not likely. Especially since his OC will be onto greener pastures in no time. Think about this - the Griz had no Oline, were into second and third string running backs and had hobbled together Swiss cheese for a secondary. They almost beat the Bobcats. Hell, one receiver brutalized them all damn day and that was with a QB running for his life. I am major bummed to say that beating the Griz is not a major accomplishment, but it IS NOT. Neither Montana program is headed the direction of dominance and deep playoff runs.
Last, but not least - who the hell cares about Choate and the Cats? Post this drivel on their board so you can get your required validation. Get a ticket from your friend Ty Bear and go put on yellow and gold so you can root for them in their playoff game. I back Bobby and look forward to the Griz being victorious again. Enough with kitty discussions

I've been agreeing with some of your recent posts, but I don't view the Cats as mediocre.

I, for one, follow the Cats. I also care about the Griz-Cat game. How can a Griz fan not follow the Cats at least a bit?

 

[PlayerRep]

I was on the fence as you recall. I am no longer. He has them going in the right direction. Get them a QB coupled with 17 returning starters.. gonna be hard to beat for a couple of years.

Montana started 3 seniors, all on D. MSU started 6 seniors, 2 on O; 4 on D. Montana is also going to be hard to beat for a couple years.

Also, Calhoun on O.

 

[RobertoGato]

What's hilarious is that Griz fans spend most of the year bashing Choate as a terrible coach, and then he beats them. So they've lost three seasons in a row to a guy that they loudly proclaim to be a buffoon. He's terrible and yet he owns them.

The man has not been a wonder-coach, but he has instilled toughness and determination in his team and they've gotten incrementally better year over year. If he can solve the QB conundrum, the team will take another big step forward. If Griz fans were willing to admit the reality of it, they wouldn't be so terribly embarrassed.

Funny, that's the EXACT tune cat fans sang about Hauck during his first tenure, which, as you'll remember, did not exactly go well for the cats.

Cat fans thought he was a bumbling idiot?