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Attendance and the NCAA Split

Paytonlives

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Below is a list of the 157 football teams that average over 10,000 people per home game (2010 stats). I inserted some gaps to indicate a 4 (64 teams), 5 (80 teams) or 6 (96 teams) Mega conference league. I dont think there is much debate about the to 64 teams being division 1 (except Air Force)... Nor is there much debate about teams 110 to 157 being division 2 the real fun begins with teams 65 to 110 if the Mega leaugues are expanded to 96 teams. And no I do not think that any of the FCS teams should be in the Mega conference.


1-Michigan 111,825 1 Big 10 FBS
2-Ohio State 105,278 2 Big 10 FBS
3-Penn State 104,234 3 Big 10 FBS
4-Alabama 101,821 4 Southeastern FBS
5-Texas 100,654 5 Big 12 FBS
6-Tennessee 99,781 6 Southeastern FBS
7-Georgia 92,746 7 Southeastern FBS
8-Louisiana State 92,718 8 Southeastern FBS
9-Florida 90,511 9 Southeastern FBS
10-Auburn 86,087 10 Southeastern FBS
11-Nebraska 85,664 11 Big 12 FBS
12-Oklahoma 84,738 12 Big 12 FBS
13-Texas A&M 82,477 13 Big 12 FBS
14-Notre Dame 80,795 14 Independent FBS
15-Southern California 79,907 15 Pacific 10 FBS
16-Wisconsin 79,862 16 Big 10 FBS
17-Clemson 77,469 17 Atlantic Coast FBS
18-South Carolina 76,668 18 Southeastern FBS
19-Michigan State 73,556 19 Big 10 FBS
20-Florida State 71,270 20 Atlantic Coast FBS
21-Iowa 70,585 21 Big 10 FBS
22-Arkansas 68,932 22 Southeastern FBS
23-Washington 66,264 23 Pacific 10 FBS
24-Virginia Tech 66,233 24 Atlantic Coast FBS
25-Kentucky 66,070 25 Southeastern FBS
26-Missouri 61,540 26 Big 12 FBS
27-Brigham Young 61,381 27 Mountain West FBS
28-UCLA 60,376 28 Pacific 10 FBS
29-Oregon 59,398 29 Pacific 10 FBS
30-North Carolina 58,250 30 Atlantic Coast FBS
31-California 57,873 31 Pacific 10 FBS
32-Texas Tech 57,108 32 Big 12 FBS
33-North Carolina State 56,877 33 Atlantic Coast FBS
34-West Virginia 56,325 34 Big East FBS
35-Mississippi 55,898 35 Southeastern FBS
36-Arizona 55,408 36 Pacific 10 FBS
37-Mississippi State 54,999 37 Southeastern FBS
38-Illinois 54,188 38 Big 10 FBS
39-Miami (Florida) 52,575 39 Atlantic Coast FBS
40-Pittsburgh 52,165 40 Big East FBS
41-Oklahoma State 50,812 41 Big 12 FBS
42-Louisville 50,648 42 Big East FBS
43-Kansas State 49,816 43 Big 12 FBS
44-East Carolina 49,665 44 Conference USA FBS
45-Minnesota 49,513 45 Big 10 FBS
46-Purdue 48,063 46 Big 10 FBS
47-Arizona State 47,943 47 Pacific 10 FBS
48-Colorado 46,864 48 Big 12 FBS
49-Georgia Tech 46,449 49 Atlantic Coast FBS
50-Rutgers 46,195 50 Big East FBS
51-Oregon State 45,509 51 Pacific 10 FBS
52-Utah 45,459 52 Mountain West FBS
53-Virginia 45,459 52 Atlantic Coast FBS
54-Iowa State 45,395 54 Big 12 FBS
55-Kansas 44,851 55 Big 12 FBS
56-Texas Christian 42,466 56 Mountain West FBS
57-Indiana 41,953 57 Big 10 FBS
58-South Florida 40,849 58 Big East FBS
59-Air Force 40,093 59 Mountain West FBS
60-Syracuse 40,064 60 Big East FBS
61-Baylor 40,043 61 Big 12 FBS
62-Stanford 40,042 62 Pacific 10 FBS
63-Central Florida 39,614 63 Conference USA FBS
64-Maryland 6 235,007 39,168 64 Atlantic Coast FBS

65-Boston College 38,369 65 Atlantic Coast FBS
66-Connecticut 38,248 66 Big East FBS
67-Hawaii 37,311 67 Western Athletic FBS
68-Northwestern 36,449 68 Big 10 FBS
69-Cincinnati 35,067 69 Big East FBS
70-San Diego State 34,133 70 Mountain West FBS
71-Fresno State 34,120 71 Western Athletic FBS
72-Boise State 33,269 72 Western Athletic FBS
73-Vanderbilt 33,269 72 Southeastern FBS
74-Navy 32,653 74 Independent FBS
75-Houston 31,728 75 Conference USA FBS
76-Army 31,667 76 Independent FBS
77-Wake Forest 30,474 77 Atlantic Coast FBS
78-Southern Mississippi 29,400 78 Conference USA FBS
79-Texas-El Paso 29,350 79 Conference USA FBS
80-Duke 28,750 80 Atlantic Coast FBS

81-Marshall 27,046 81 Conference USA FBS
82-Appalachian State 25,715 82 Southern FCS
83-Rice 25,571 83 Conference USA FBS
84-Montana 25,448 84 Big Sky FCS
85-Washington State 24,532 85 Pacific 10 FBS
86-Jackson State 24,140 86 Southwestern FCS
87-Memphis 23,918 87 Conference USA FBS
88-Southern Methodist 23,515 88 Conference USA FBS
89-Tulane 23,220 89 Conference USA FBS
90-Colorado State 22,400 90 Mountain West FBS
91-Louisiana-Monroe 20,934 91 Sun Belt FBS
92-New Mexico 20,888 92 Mountain West FBS
93-Wyoming 20,791 93 Mountain West FBS
94-Nevada-Las Vegas 20,612 94 Mountain West FBS
95-Temple 20,515 95 Mid-American FBS
96-Central Michigan 20,448 96 Mid-American FBS

97-Tulsa 20,379 97 Conference USA FBS
98-Florida International 19,808 98 Sun Belt FBS
99-Old Dominion 19,782 99 Independent FCS
100-Nevada 19,576 100 Western Athletic FBS
101-Louisiana Tech 19,485 101 Western Athletic FBS
102-Toledo 19,333 102 Mid-American FBS
103-Ohio 19,046 103 Mid-American FBS
104-Middle Tennessee 19,024 104 Sun Belt FBS
105-Troy 18,947 105 Sun Belt FBS
106-Alabama-Birmingham 18,360 106 Conference USA FBS
107-Utah State 17,878 107 Western Athletic FBS
108-Northern Illinois 17,760 108 Mid-American FBS
109-Delaware 17,753 109 Colonial FCS
110-North Texas 17,718 110 Sun Belt FBS
111-Georgia Southern 17,627 111 Southern FCS
112-Arkansas State 17,394 112 Sun Belt FBS
113-Louisiana-Lafayette 17,383 113 Sun Belt FBS
114-Jacksonville State 17,330 114 Ohio Valley FCS
115-Harvard 16,918 115 Ivy FCS
116-Georgia State 16,750 116 Independent FCS
117-James Madison 16,597 117 Colonial FCS
118-Kent State 16,152 118 Mid-American FBS
119-Lamar 16,079 119 Independent FCS
120-North Dakota State 15,944 120 Missouri Valley FCS
121-Florida A&M 15,913 121 Mid-Eastern FCS
122-New Mexico State 15,906 122 Western Athletic FBS
123-Eastern Michigan 15,885 123 Mid-American FBS
124-Miami (Ohio) 15,519 124 Mid-American FBS
125-Youngstown State 15,110 125 Missouri Valley FCS
126-South Carolina State 14,862 126 Mid-Eastern FCS
127-Tennessee State 14,861 127 Ohio Valley FCS
128-Liberty 14,630 128 Big South FCS
129-Yale 14,592 129 Ivy FCS
130-Western Kentucky 14,577 130 Sun Belt FBS
131-San Jose State 14,474 131 Western Athletic FBS
132-Montana State 14,298 132 Big Sky FCS
133-Western Michigan 14,255 133 Mid-American FBS
134-Florida Atlantic 14,025 134 Sun Belt FBS
135-McNeese State 13,770 135 Southland FCS
136-North Carolina A&T 13,388 136 Mid-Eastern FCS
137-Bowling Green 13,306 137 Mid-American FBS
138-Massachusetts 13,005 138 Colonial FCS
139-Northern Iowa 12,997 139 Missouri Valley FCS
140-Buffalo 12,981 140 Mid-American FBS
141-Southern 12,896 141 Southwestern FCS
142-Texas State 12,805 142 Southland FCS
143-Idaho 12,730 143 Western Athletic FBS
144-Chattanooga 12,699 144 Southern FCS
145-Pennsylvania 11,926 145 Ivy FCS
146-Norfolk State 11,879 146 Mid-Eastern FCS
147-Citadel 11,445 147 Southern FCS
148-Alcorn State 11,410 148 Southwestern FCS
149-Alabama State 11,177 149 Southwestern FCS
150-Western Illinois 11,096 150 Missouri Valley FCS
151-Arkansas-Pine Bluff 11,030 151 Southwestern FCS
152-Southern Illinois 10,890 152 Missouri Valley FCS
153-William & Mary 10,782 153 Colonial FCS
154-Furman 10,594 154 Southern FCS
155-Hampton 10,551 155 Mid-Eastern FCS
156-Akron 10,185 156 Mid-American FBS
157-South Dakota State 10,023 157 Missouri Valley FCS

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I will say it again... THIS WOULD BE AN AWESOME CONFERENCE FOR UM TO BE IN!!!!! With a Playoff of course...

67-Hawaii 37,311 67 Western Athletic FBS
70-San Diego State 34,133 70 Mountain West FBS
71-Fresno State 34,120 71 Western Athletic FBS
72-Boise State 33,269 72 Western Athletic FBS
79-Texas-El Paso 29,350 79 Conference USA FBS
84-Montana 25,448 84 Big Sky FCS
85-Washington State 24,532 85 Pacific 10 FBS
90-Colorado State 22,400 90 Mountain West FBS
92-New Mexico 20,888 92 Mountain West FBS
93-Wyoming 20,791 93 Mountain West FBS
94-Nevada-Las Vegas 20,612 94 Mountain West FBS
100-Nevada 19,576 100 Western Athletic FBS
107-Utah State 17,878 107 Western Athletic FBS
131-San Jose State 14,474 131 Western Athletic FBS
132-Montana State 14,298 132 Big Sky FCS
143-Idaho 12,730 143 Western Athletic FBS
 
Even though it's not going to happen, let's suspend reality and pretend that it might. It will be so expensive - we'll have to cut the Cats loose.
 
For those of you that do not believe thwre is a super conference coming... what proof do you have that it wont?

What I see is the Large conferences taking every advantage of the others.
I see teams like Boise scrambling to get into THE BIG EAST.... WHY?
I see The likes of Weber, msu and Sac State building in the middle of a recesion.
I see a 4 team playoff that will never include a TCU, Boise (ect)
I see conference comisioners commenting that a split will happen.
I see bowl games that are losing money not only for the bowls but for the teams in the bowl games
I see a football season where there are only 10-15 teams that have a chance to win a NC.
I see voters that are tied ONLY to the big conferences.
I see the haves and the have nots in the FBS and the division is getting larger.

In other words... I SEE A SPLIT, not because I want it but because it is the plan of the top conferences.
 
Check out the article on ESPN today with the ND Irish AD. He mentions a committee in 2014 will vote on teams that play in this 4 team playoff. One thing the AD mentioned was strength of schedule will have a great deal of determination on whom gets into the playoff.

My guess is that there will be no FCS OOC games with the PAC12, SEC, BIG TEN, BIG12 (the Big 4 let's call them). (I think some schools in ACC and BIG EAST will be taken in by the Big4 and some will not).

Sadly many FCS programs count on one if not two pay day games to help fund there programs. If the Big4 stop scheduling FCS schools for there soft games the Big4 will look to fill the OOC schedules with other Big4 schools or with other mid major "FBS" conferences, MWC, CUSA, SBC, MAC. This of course would then reduce the amount of FCS and mid major OOC games as well. There will be no big pay day games with the Big4 or moderate pay day games with mid majors. If this happens which by all accounts it will, it will be a major blow to many FCS programs.

Some FCS programs may have gambled on this coming. I believe they have gambled right. If this all plays out I can only hope at some point other solid FCS teams have a shot at getting to mid major status.

I believe this could be a death blow to what we know of the FCS as it is today.
 
jcu27 said:
That's not evidence...
Click to expand...

Its coming make no mistake about it. There has been grumbling and talk about this for 12 years. And it has not been simply on message boards. Most of the major conferences have leaked information over the years and it is what is intended. ANd most of them now see that the bowl games are a losing effort.

There will be 3 divisions:
Division 1 top 60-96 teams (8-16 team playoff)
Division 2 Next 60-96 teams (20 team playoff)
Division 3 all the rif raff (20 team playoff)

The main reason for all of this is money. The big guys want it all!!! But they need the second division in order to schedule enough games.

JCU... I am not going to rehash the last 12-15 years... but see info below

A Q&A with the PAC-10 President
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/12468/qa-pac-10-commissioner-larry-scott" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/807132-college-football-why-super-conferences-could-fix-the-ncaa-problems" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-09-06/sports/30128506_1_pac-16-bcs-conferences-pac-12" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.bankrollsports.com/blog/super-conference-expansion-realignment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
I just do not see, how it does not happen. Is it coincidental, Montana, Montana State, Sac State, and Portland State, all recently putting money into upgrades, in hopes to be properly prepared?

Is it coincidental, more schools have been doing studies, surveys, etc to determine what is feasible?

Why are conferences jockeying for position in having the best teams possible, with good tv markets?


Prior to the last few years, why have the changes been fewer, and further between?

Conferences, schools, and programs are all preparing the best they can?


I know, all these things are just happening for the sake of change, without any justification, or reason whatsoever. Like it, or not, It will happen.
 
There has been a split ever since the BCS was formed. It's just an issue whether the NCAA, powerless against the BCS, ever acknowledges it and tries to regain a foothold by bullying the have-nots into a coral that they have a chance to control. The NCAA is no more than a regulatory agency for major college football today.
 
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