Are Griz Offense players Making Stitt look like a genius?

[SaskGriz]

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

PlayerRep, in those three Vandal losses they averaged 278 yards/game, a total that is fairly anemic and would be cause for sepuku if the Griz had those numbers. Even in their wins over Louisiana Monroe (3 picks to set up short fields and a Punt Return TD) and UNLV (2 picks including a pick 6) they were badly outgained by each opponent (by 109 yds and 161 yds, respectively). Add to this that the Cats got them for the first game of the year, where it's not unusual for an offence to struggle, and I'm going with my original thesis.

Also if you are calling Sac State a stat padding game? MSU gave up 510 yards to them, so thank you for helping me prove my point.

UW, WSU and Troy are 15-3 in FBS. Do yu think the Griz would have put up more than 278 a game against those teams, and why? Note that UM put up 206 yards against UNI, which has won only 2 games this year. Are you thinking that UNI is better than UW, WSU and Troy?

I have no idea how the Griz offence would do against those teams. This was a discussion of the Cat's defence and how their numbers are padded by playing offensively deficient teams. You are trying to change this into a discussion of how Idaho and Montana's offences stack up? In my line of work this is where a bunch of slack jawed teenagers would say "Yo, MC-Laren, what are you talking about, dude?" and in your line of work you would hear an objection, the statement "Relevance?" and guy in a black robe saying "Sustained".

 

[Eriul]

The big sky has 7 teams that are in the bottom 25 of defenses in the fcs. Montana state is 51st, about middle of the pack. You guys are absolutely crazy if you think MSU has a worse defense than all of those teams

Big Sky has 3 of the top 7 offenses, and 7 of the top 36 offenses, I believe. That contributes to Big Sky defenses being down in the rankings.

I have stated that the bad defenses and good offenses of the Big Sky fuel each other into extremes.

 

[catsack]

No I'm just saying the griz took care of business against Suck state, something Ty and the

Cats couldn't do. By the end of the season the Cats defense will not rank higher than 100 , EWU will put up 60 and at least 600 yards!

Okay, let's make three $100 bets. I say Cats will end up in top 100 on Total Defense. I say that EWU won't put up 60 on the Cats. I say EWU won't put up 600 yards on the Cats. Will to put up, or do you retract what you said?

The only defense to hold them under 540 yards was UNI ,they held them to 403 yards! WSU gave up over 600 yards to EWU YOU WANNA rethink your offer on bets?

I don't understand your post, but, no, I don't want to rethink my bets. Are you going to bet, or just dodge.

TYS defense is not better then WSU'S plain and simple! The only way they don't go over 600 is if it gets ugly early, and they take their foot off the gas !

 

[Diesel]

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

Idaho is a pushover. Sac put how many points on MSU? Sac is a good young team with a solid head coach. His half time interview at UM showed alot of class, his team continued to play for 60 minutes. Choate could learn alot from Sac's HC, no blaming the players or former coaches or lost scholarships, Sac St has a bright future, can't say the same about MSU there's too big of a learning curve that starts with the HC.

Idaho is not a pushover. 4-3 om FBS with losses to UW (undefeated), WSU (4-2), and Troy (5-1). SS is a pushover.

Let's see your quotes for this statement of yours. "blaming the players or former coaches or lost scholarships".

Look at Sac and NAU post game press conferences, Choate talks in circles, he is a nice guy and a good recruiter, but HC and face of a program he is not. Pushover Idaho is trailblazing, that's why they are joining the BSC. EWU and UM are better fooball programs than Idaho. Hope MSU stays with Choate, but it looks like it will be a long road. Choate said same players are making errors and aluded to not having players to replace them, if there is truth in that, don't air it out publicly. There are plenty of these type of statements that a more experienced HC would not say. EWU with fewer scholarships beat WSU. Idaho beat two FCS teams, UNLV, and New Mex bottom feeders. Idaho may not be 4-3 in BSC play. They squeeked by the Cats at home.

 

[garizzalies]

SS is a pushover.

So what does that say about your bobcats?

 

[Eriul]

I could do some analysis of some defenses but fact is MSU has an average FCS defense. They aren't good or bad.

Stats of each opponents offense they faced. I exclude their cupcake game 3.

Opponent
Average Yards gained by opponent, Yards allowed by MSU's defense that game
Average Points by team, Points allowed by MSU's defense that game.

Game 1: Idaho
Average Yards: 375, Yards Allowed: 357
Average Points: 25, Points Allowed: 20

Game 2: Bryant
Average Yards: 367, Yards Allowed: 452
Average Points: 28.5, Points Allowed: 24

Game 3: North Dakota
Average Yards: 416 , Yards Allowed: 348
Average Points: 31, Points Allowed: 17

Game 4: Sac State
Average Yards: 370, Yards Allowed: 510
Average Points: 18, Points Allowed: 41

Game 5: NAU
Average Yards: 492, Yards Allowed: 405
Average Points: 33 , Points Allowed: 20

Game 6: Weber
Average Yards: 385, Yards Allowed: 435
Average Points: 28, Points Allowed: 45

The obvious glaring games are the Weber and the Sac State game. Those games really exposed MSU's defense. However, MSU did well against NAU, North Dakota, and Idaho.

What does this suggest? They are an average defense....

 

[horribilisfan8184]

I could do some analysis of some defenses but fact is MSU has an average FCS defense. They aren't good or bad.

Stats of each opponents offense they faced. I exclude their cupcake game 3.

Opponent
Average Yards gained by opponent, Yards allowed by MSU's defense that game
Average Points by team, Points allowed by MSU's defense that game.

Game 1: Idaho
Average Yards: 375, Yards Allowed: 357
Average Points: 25, Points Allowed: 20

Game 2: Bryant
Average Yards: 367, Yards Allowed: 452
Average Points: 28.5, Points Allowed: 24

Game 3: North Dakota
Average Yards: 416 , Yards Allowed: 348
Average Points: 31, Points Allowed: 17

Game 4: Sac State
Average Yards: 370, Yards Allowed: 510
Average Points: 18, Points Allowed: 41

Game 5: NAU
Average Yards: 492, Yards Allowed: 405
Average Points: 33 , Points Allowed: 20

Game 6: Weber
Average Yards: 385, Yards Allowed: 435
Average Points: 28, Points Allowed: 45

The obvious glaring games are the Weber and the Sac State game. Those games really exposed MSU's defense. However, MSU did well against NAU, North Dakota, and Idaho.

What does this suggest? They are an average defense....

Ty makes a lucky guess how to scheme against offenses in the first half, half the time?

 

[brewskis]

I assume you meant MSVS, not MSU. The following is a list of better defences than Bozeman besides UNI we will or have played this year. St.Francis (shut down mighty Bryant and that is without the jet lag), Cal Poly, SUU, NAU, and NCU. And Sac St, EWU, ISU would all be a "push".

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

Where would the cats defense be if we excluded their cupcake game? Plus....discrediting the Sac state game really isn't a valid move....they are in our conference and have played MSU. MSU just kinda sucked major b-hole against them ha


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[PlayerRep]

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

PlayerRep, in those three Vandal losses they averaged 278 yards/game, a total that is fairly anemic and would be cause for sepuku if the Griz had those numbers. Even in their wins over Louisiana Monroe (3 picks to set up short fields and a Punt Return TD) and UNLV (2 picks including a pick 6) they were badly outgained by each opponent (by 109 yds and 161 yds, respectively). Add to this that the Cats got them for the first game of the year, where it's not unusual for an offence to struggle, and I'm going with my original thesis.

Also if you are calling Sac State a stat padding game? MSU gave up 510 yards to them, so thank you for helping me prove my point.

UW, WSU and Troy are 15-3 in FBS. Do yu think the Griz would have put up more than 278 a game against those teams, and why? Note that UM put up 206 yards against UNI, which has won only 2 games this year. Are you thinking that UNI is better than UW, WSU and Troy?

I don't know how the Griz would do against UW, WSU, or Troy, but I would be at a pretty good level of confidence that the Griz could beat Idaho.

I think the Griz would beat Idaho now too.

 

[PlayerRep]

Okay, let's make three $100 bets. I say Cats will end up in top 100 on Total Defense. I say that EWU won't put up 60 on the Cats. I say EWU won't put up 600 yards on the Cats. Will to put up, or do you retract what you said?

The only defense to hold them under 540 yards was UNI ,they held them to 403 yards! WSU gave up over 600 yards to EWU YOU WANNA rethink your offer on bets?

I don't understand your post, but, no, I don't want to rethink my bets. Are you going to bet, or just dodge.

TYS defense is not better then WSU'S plain and simple! The only way they don't go over 600 is if it gets ugly early, and they take their foot off the gas !

Are you going to take that package of 3 $100 bets or not? Just, a yes or no, would be sufficient.

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

Idaho is a pushover. Sac put how many points on MSU? Sac is a good young team with a solid head coach. His half time interview at UM showed alot of class, his team continued to play for 60 minutes. Choate could learn alot from Sac's HC, no blaming the players or former coaches or lost scholarships, Sac St has a bright future, can't say the same about MSU there's too big of a learning curve that starts with the HC.

Idaho is not a pushover. 4-3 om FBS with losses to UW (undefeated), WSU (4-2), and Troy (5-1). SS is a pushover.

Let's see your quotes for this statement of yours. "blaming the players or former coaches or lost scholarships".

Look at Sac and NAU post game press conferences, Choate talks in circles, he is a nice guy and a good recruiter, but HC and face of a program he is not. Pushover Idaho is trailblazing, that's why they are joining the BSC. EWU and UM are better fooball programs than Idaho. Hope MSU stays with Choate, but it looks like it will be a long road. Choate said same players are making errors and aluded to not having players to replace them, if there is truth in that, don't air it out publicly. There are plenty of these type of statements that a more experienced HC would not say. EWU with fewer scholarships beat WSU. Idaho beat two FCS teams, UNLV, and New Mex bottom feeders. Idaho may not be 4-3 in BSC play. They squeeked by the Cats at home.

Sorry, I don't follow the Cats closely, and don't listen to press conferences. I follow the Griz. However, if you want to provide some quotes, I'd be happy to comment. I don't rely on what is probably biased information and weak memories. I need to see what Choate said before I agree or disagree.

 

[PlayerRep]

SS is a pushover.

So what does that say about your bobcats?

I'm a Griz. And a much better and more informed Griz fan that you are. Get back to the Troll Brigade. Oh yes, bad loss for Cats to let SS come back and beat them.

 

[PlayerRep]

I could do some analysis of some defenses but fact is MSU has an average FCS defense. They aren't good or bad.

Stats of each opponents offense they faced. I exclude their cupcake game 3.

Opponent
Average Yards gained by opponent, Yards allowed by MSU's defense that game
Average Points by team, Points allowed by MSU's defense that game.

Game 1: Idaho
Average Yards: 375, Yards Allowed: 357
Average Points: 25, Points Allowed: 20

Game 2: Bryant
Average Yards: 367, Yards Allowed: 452
Average Points: 28.5, Points Allowed: 24

Game 3: North Dakota
Average Yards: 416 , Yards Allowed: 348
Average Points: 31, Points Allowed: 17

Game 4: Sac State
Average Yards: 370, Yards Allowed: 510
Average Points: 18, Points Allowed: 41

Game 5: NAU
Average Yards: 492, Yards Allowed: 405
Average Points: 33 , Points Allowed: 20

Game 6: Weber
Average Yards: 385, Yards Allowed: 435
Average Points: 28, Points Allowed: 45

The obvious glaring games are the Weber and the Sac State game. Those games really exposed MSU's defense. However, MSU did well against NAU, North Dakota, and Idaho.

What does this suggest? They are an average defense....

And the 2d and 3d Weber TD's were off of Cat turnovers, at about the 25. It's not easy to recover from 2 early turnovers for TD's. See Griz v. Cal Poly this year. See Griz v. CP last year, when Griz had 4 turnovers. Thx for doing the stats. Interesting. The Cats lack of offense is hurting them badly too. just like it hurt the Griz in the year JJ was suspended.

 

[PlayerRep]

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

Where would the cats defense be if we excluded their cupcake game? Plus....discrediting the Sac state game really isn't a valid move....they are in our conference and have played MSU. MSU just kinda sucked major b-hole against them ha


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Why don't you check and let us know. Contribute something to board for a change, and not just your opinion.

 

[brewskis]

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

Where would the cats defense be if we excluded their cupcake game? Plus....discrediting the Sac state game really isn't a valid move....they are in our conference and have played MSU. MSU just kinda sucked major b-hole against them ha


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Why don't you check and let us know. Contribute something to board for a change, and not just your opinion.

Isn't that what we are all contributing?


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[Diesel]

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

Where would the cats defense be if we excluded their cupcake game? Plus....discrediting the Sac state game really isn't a valid move....they are in our conference and have played MSU. MSU just kinda sucked major b-hole against them ha


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Why don't you check and let us know. Contribute something to board for a change, and not just your opinion.

Isn't that what we are all contributing?


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Hey Brewskis would a Griz fan go on Bobcatnation if the Griz were 2-4 with loses of 20-17, 17-15, 41-38, 20-14, 45-27(wanted to use stats along with my opinion) Oh, wait the Griz haven't been that bad since playing in WA Griz stadium, so we will never know. Nice thing when playing football and the opposing team won't shut up when they are being dominated, just point to the score board that says it all. HaHaHa

 

[Umista]

Thanks to all of you that post actual stats on teams. To me stats are good and they give a good indication of what we will face in the future along with all of our conference foes.

But I continue to look at other aspects of teams and the simple attitude and expections of each. Take for example last weeks game of NAU vs ISU. ISU played uninspired and expected to lose. They made many many dumb mistakes and gave NAU 30+ unearned points. ISU moved the ball very well but simply gave up on dumb play after dumb play. Had ISU played inspired football they would have lost, but only by two or three TDs.

The way I look at up coming games, I always look at inspiration and how teams perform when they know they are in for a loss. Same thing can occur when an underdog comes alive and cleans up on the favorite and we all become surprised. In this case we have to eat our previous stats but this is why football is so damn much fun to watch and afterwards we can banter about that game until hell gets cold.

 

[garizzalies]

SS is a pushover.

So what does that say about your bobcats?

I'm a Griz. And a much better and more informed Griz fan that you are. Get back to the Troll Brigade. Oh yes, bad loss for Cats to let SS come back and beat them.

So you must be an alumni of UM and not MSU?

 

[Eriul]

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

Where would the cats defense be if we excluded their cupcake game? Plus....discrediting the Sac state game really isn't a valid move....they are in our conference and have played MSU. MSU just kinda sucked major b-hole against them ha


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Dude... that's a question basic algebra can solve for you...

The ignorance of this board of stats and basic logic is absurd


(Total Yards Allowed - Yards Allowed Against cupcake)/(Total Games - 1)

This will give you average yardage in every game besides the cupcake. Compare that to rest of FCS.

In the THIRTY SECONDS it took me to do this I got that the Bobcats would move down from 52nd to 85th in defense if you exclude the cupcake game. However this isn't a fair ranking as we would have to take out EVERYONE's cupcake games to be a fair analysis.

Regardless. Even if you take out the cupcake game, MSU's defense is still 50-100 ypg ahead of EWU/Davis/SUU/ISU/Portland State/Northern Colo/Sac State

 

[Diesel]

Back to the original thread...is Stitt making the Griz players look good because he is a genius?

Stitt has developed BG into a better QB and has surrounded him with young talent and shored up the thin O-line.

BG was not Stitt's recruit. Credit BG and Stitt for working well together and BG buying into new system.

WRs that graduated last year were a strong class. Because of underclassmen and transfers needing playing time together things were inconsistent to start with. Ferriter had a hand in getting JLM, plenty of depth at WR even in JLM's absence. Still have not seen the best from this group.

Stitt on record demanding more out of the O-line. Weyer went down and O-line has still improved. Credit Stitt with new recruits and Germer with O-line production. Up and coming O-linemen look to carry on this progression.

Does it matter if Stitt is a genius? He has stated issues with the program, addressed them and the team is progressing well. Do the players make him look good? They have to this point, because they are top notch student/athletes. Recruiting is going well and assistant coaches and players are all on same page, job well done.