Are Griz Offense players Making Stitt look like a genius?

[HelenaHandBasket]

Bobcat defense isn't very good either and they are getting exposed more and more every week. Statistically they were helped early by playing average offenses and forcing a ton of turnovers. Their turnover margin has evaporated and you are starting to see them for what they really are.

Bobcats are pretty lousy....we are going to make them look absolutely foolish in wagriz next month.


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I am curious to see how they perform against EWU on Saturday.

 

[brewskis]

Bobcat defense isn't very good either and they are getting exposed more and more every week. Statistically they were helped early by playing average offenses and forcing a ton of turnovers. Their turnover margin has evaporated and you are starting to see them for what they really are.

Bobcats are pretty lousy....we are going to make them look absolutely foolish in wagriz next month.


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I am curious to see how they perform against EWU on Saturday.

That'll be ugly. MSU might put up a couple points but Ty doesn't like defending EWU so I predict they hang 60+


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[PlayerRep]

The big sky has 7 teams that are in the bottom 25 of defenses in the fcs. Montana state is 51st, about middle of the pack. You guys are absolutely crazy if you think MSU has a worse defense than all of those teams

Big Sky has 3 of the top 7 offenses, and 7 of the top 36 offenses, I believe. That contributes to Big Sky defenses being down in the rankings.

 

[PlayerRep]

I thought this same thing too at the end of last season, then the second half of the SDSU game and the NDSU game happened. But I'm still hopeful. It's just too bad that we won't see a real defense until the playoffs besides the UNI defense that made us look silly. MSU might have the best D we see all year, besides UNI :shock:

I assume you meant MSVS, not MSU. The following is a list of better defences than Bozeman besides UNI we will or have played this year. St.Francis (shut down mighty Bryant and that is without the jet lag), Cal Poly, SUU, NAU, and NCU. And Sac St, EWU, ISU would all be a "push".

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The big sky has 7 teams that are in the bottom 25 of defenses in the fcs. Montana state is 51st, about middle of the pack. You guys are absolutely crazy if you think MSU has a worse defense than all of those teams

Big Sky has 3 of the top 7 offenses, and 7 of the top 36 offenses, I believe. That contributes to Big Sky defenses being down in the rankings.

It is a chicken-or-egg argument.

 

[Bscwatcher]

I don't make out with dudes.

Yes all defenses in the big sky are basic shit besides ours

Evidently you have not watched UND


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[grizband]

The big sky has 7 teams that are in the bottom 25 of defenses in the fcs. Montana state is 51st, about middle of the pack. You guys are absolutely crazy if you think MSU has a worse defense than all of those teams

Big Sky has 3 of the top 7 offenses, and 7 of the top 36 offenses, I believe. That contributes to Big Sky defenses being down in the rankings.

It is a chicken-or-egg argument.

Is Stitt making players look like geniuses?

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[SaskGriz]

I assume you meant MSVS, not MSU. The following is a list of better defences than Bozeman besides UNI we will or have played this year. St.Francis (shut down mighty Bryant and that is without the jet lag), Cal Poly, SUU, NAU, and NCU. And Sac St, EWU, ISU would all be a "push".

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

PlayerRep, in those three Vandal losses they averaged 278 yards/game, a total that is fairly anemic and would be cause for sepuku if the Griz had those numbers. Even in their wins over Louisiana Monroe (3 picks to set up short fields and a Punt Return TD) and UNLV (2 picks including a pick 6) they were badly outgained by each opponent (by 109 yds and 161 yds, respectively). Add to this that the Cats got them for the first game of the year, where it's not unusual for an offence to struggle, and I'm going with my original thesis.

Also if you are calling Sac State a stat padding game? MSU gave up 510 yards to them, so thank you for helping me prove my point.

 

[AZGrizFan]

"Numbers don't lie" may be the most naive statement in the human lexicon. That or "til death do us part.."

Chicks talkin' football is incredibly hot though.....

:lol: :lol:

Yeah, I almost spit all over my monitor when I read that statement.

And she needn't worry....by the end of the year, after the EWU and UM games, MSU will be buried down in the triple digits when it comes to defensive statistics.

 

[catsack]

I assume you meant MSVS, not MSU. The following is a list of better defences than Bozeman besides UNI we will or have played this year. St.Francis (shut down mighty Bryant and that is without the jet lag), Cal Poly, SUU, NAU, and NCU. And Sac St, EWU, ISU would all be a "push".

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

 

[Diesel]

UM makes opponents look worse than they are and MSU makes them look better.

Totally biased statement, no stats needed.

 

[PlayerRep]

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

 

[PlayerRep]

What are you smoking and where can I get some

statistically MSU is the 3rd best defense we will face this year prior to playoffs. Saint Francis, and UNI are the other two. Northern Colorodo is barely ahead of one team for the worst defense in the FCS so...clearly you are not thinking

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

PlayerRep, in those three Vandal losses they averaged 278 yards/game, a total that is fairly anemic and would be cause for sepuku if the Griz had those numbers. Even in their wins over Louisiana Monroe (3 picks to set up short fields and a Punt Return TD) and UNLV (2 picks including a pick 6) they were badly outgained by each opponent (by 109 yds and 161 yds, respectively). Add to this that the Cats got them for the first game of the year, where it's not unusual for an offence to struggle, and I'm going with my original thesis.

Also if you are calling Sac State a stat padding game? MSU gave up 510 yards to them, so thank you for helping me prove my point.

UW, WSU and Troy are 15-3 in FBS. Do yu think the Griz would have put up more than 278 a game against those teams, and why? Note that UM put up 206 yards against UNI, which has won only 2 games this year. Are you thinking that UNI is better than UW, WSU and Troy?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

PlayerRep, in those three Vandal losses they averaged 278 yards/game, a total that is fairly anemic and would be cause for sepuku if the Griz had those numbers. Even in their wins over Louisiana Monroe (3 picks to set up short fields and a Punt Return TD) and UNLV (2 picks including a pick 6) they were badly outgained by each opponent (by 109 yds and 161 yds, respectively). Add to this that the Cats got them for the first game of the year, where it's not unusual for an offence to struggle, and I'm going with my original thesis.

Also if you are calling Sac State a stat padding game? MSU gave up 510 yards to them, so thank you for helping me prove my point.

UW, WSU and Troy are 15-3 in FBS. Do yu think the Griz would have put up more than 278 a game against those teams, and why? Note that UM put up 206 yards against UNI, which has won only 2 games this year. Are you thinking that UNI is better than UW, WSU and Troy?

I don't know how the Griz would do against UW, WSU, or Troy, but I would be at a pretty good level of confidence that the Griz could beat Idaho.

 

[catsack]

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

No I'm just saying the griz took care of business against Suck state, something Ty and the

Cats couldn't do. By the end of the season the Cats defense will not rank higher than 100 , EWU will put up 60 and at least 600 yards!

 

[PlayerRep]

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

No I'm just saying the griz took care of business against Suck state, something Ty and the

Cats couldn't do. By the end of the season the Cats defense will not rank higher than 100 , EWU will put up 60 and at least 600 yards!

Okay, let's make three $100 bets. I say Cats will end up in top 100 on Total Defense. I say that EWU won't put up 60 on the Cats. I say EWU won't put up 600 yards on the Cats. Will to put up, or do you retract what you said?

 

[Diesel]

Clearly you are going on Cat stats which are padded by playing Central Oregon and Idaho. Watch the MSU/Weber St game or the MSU/Sac St 2nd half. Weber managed 14 points against Sac State, but blew the Cats away.

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

Idaho is a pushover. Sac put how many points on MSU? Sac is a good young team with a solid head coach. His half time interview at UM showed alot of class, his team continued to play for 60 minutes. Choate could learn alot from Sac's HC, no blaming the players or former coaches or lost scholarships, Sac St has a bright future, can't say the same about MSU there's too big of a learning curve that starts with the HC.

 

[PlayerRep]

Idaho? 4-3 with losses to UW, WSU and Troy. Idaho is not stat-padding opponent. Central Oregon, yes, along with MVS and SS.

MSU is 34th in Scoring Defense (not bad). Griz are 17th. Excluding MVS and SS, Griz would be 54th in Scoring Defense.

UM opponents have a combined record of 14-26. CP, who beat us and St. Francis, have 8 of those 14 wins. That doesn't mean the Griz aren't good or very good this year, but don't think Griz fans should throw stones.

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

Idaho is a pushover. Sac put how many points on MSU? Sac is a good young team with a solid head coach. His half time interview at UM showed alot of class, his team continued to play for 60 minutes. Choate could learn alot from Sac's HC, no blaming the players or former coaches or lost scholarships, Sac St has a bright future, can't say the same about MSU there's too big of a learning curve that starts with the HC.

Idaho is not a pushover. 4-3 om FBS with losses to UW (undefeated), WSU (4-2), and Troy (5-1). SS is a pushover.

Let's see your quotes for this statement of yours. "blaming the players or former coaches or lost scholarships".

 

[catsack]

One of our weakest teams handled MSU'S defense just fine, for there only victory!! LOL

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

No I'm just saying the griz took care of business against Suck state, something Ty and the

Cats couldn't do. By the end of the season the Cats defense will not rank higher than 100 , EWU will put up 60 and at least 600 yards!

Okay, let's make three $100 bets. I say Cats will end up in top 100 on Total Defense. I say that EWU won't put up 60 on the Cats. I say EWU won't put up 600 yards on the Cats. Will to put up, or do you retract what you said?

The only defense to hold them under 540 yards was UNI ,they held them to 403 yards! WSU gave up over 600 yards to EWU YOU WANNA rethink your offer on bets?

 

[PlayerRep]

Are you also saying Idaho is a pushover?

Are you saying the Griz are awesome because they put up 60 on 0 - 7 MVS and SS?

No I'm just saying the griz took care of business against Suck state, something Ty and the

Cats couldn't do. By the end of the season the Cats defense will not rank higher than 100 , EWU will put up 60 and at least 600 yards!

Okay, let's make three $100 bets. I say Cats will end up in top 100 on Total Defense. I say that EWU won't put up 60 on the Cats. I say EWU won't put up 600 yards on the Cats. Will to put up, or do you retract what you said?

The only defense to hold them under 540 yards was UNI ,they held them to 403 yards! WSU gave up over 600 yards to EWU YOU WANNA rethink your offer on bets?

I don't understand your post, but, no, I don't want to rethink my bets. Are you going to bet, or just dodge.