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[PhilPonder]

Ah yes, the five Ls-- Richmond, Maine, and Villanova in the playoffs and GSU and McNeese during the regular season. I had the misfortune of being in the house for all of them. Losing sucks, so we try hard to avoid it. Who were Montana's opponents in the last two home Ls?

 

[Geddes]

Wofford and MSU

 

[PhilPonder]

Michigan State?

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Marginal difference. Easily accountable by the fact we've hosted more playoff games and we have a tougher conference.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Marginal difference. Easily accountable by the fact we've hosted more playoff games and we have a tougher conference.

Nice try. You said "a better record at home" which is clearly not true then apply pretzel logic to explain a "marginal difference". I anxiously await whats next...

*EDIT* Let me help you here. Some of your losses weren't really losses and some of the Griz wins weren't really wins. That should really solidify your point.

 

[grizfan95]

Marginal difference. Easily accountable by the fact we've hosted more playoff games and we have a tougher conference.

Home Playoff Games (2007-2011)
Montana: 8 (2010-missed playoffs)
Appalachian St: 9

Tougher Conference? That's debatable. Since 2007, the Big Sky has had 3 championship appearances and 1 title. The SoCon has had 1 championship appearance and 1 title. You could get pretty nitpicky with how you compare conferences.

Your continual layering of specifications has become quite laughable though.

 

[AZGrizFan]

*EDIT* Let me help you here. Some of your losses weren't really losses and some of the Griz wins weren't really wins. That should really solidify your point.

Classic. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[CrunchGriz]

Marginal difference. Easily accountable by the fact we've hosted more playoff games and we have a tougher conference.

Well, in that time frame ASU has hosted exactly one more playoff game than the Griz, hardly making up the three more losses you have at home, and the strengths of the two conferences are hard to gauge, making your assertion that the Southern is a tougher conference than the Big Sky a speculative opinion, at best, and thus not a great excuse.

Both teams have played both cupcakes and powers at home in the last five years, in roughly equal measure, I'd bet.

Any other misconceptions we can help you with?

ASU has a great team, program, and home field advantage. Montana's home field advantage is just marginally greater. Your teams (2000 and 2009) can attest to that.

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

My mistake about the exact # of home wins. You do see my point that our atmospheres are VERY comparable though. I'd give Washington Griz the edge on noise only because of the architecture/acoustics involved. KBS is bigger and there are a few thousand more. Far and away the two most intimidating environments in the FCS.

I really do think the SoCon is more competitive, top to bottom. The SoCon consistently has more ranked in the polls. The BSC seems to be pretty polarized. EWU had an uncharacteristically good year and U or M is the only consistent National Championship contender. Georgia Southern is a powerhouse (along with us) while Wofford has also been constantly strong over the past few years. Elon had a good couple of years recently too and Chatty is on the rise. It is a pretty subjective claim, I know, but there is evidence. The SoCon is a stronger conference.

Funny thing is though, only one of those 5 L's was a conference loss. Maine, Richmond and Villanova were all having the best years in program history when they did the impossible. McNeese beat us in Armanti's first game back from injury (when he ran over his foot with a lawn mower, /facepalm). GaSo is GaSo. They are our arch rival, a fellow powerhouse. We play each other with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. Only twice in the last 10-12 years has the game been decided by more than a score. They have a huge following too/a loud gameday experience (albeit not on the level of App and U of M) You guys have to go out of conference to meet another team close to your caliber. We do it at least once a year with the Stink.

I'm not trying to make excuses. Well, I guess I am, but the point is we DO in fact have a comparable atmosphere to U of M. Things happen on any given saturday and having a SLIGHTLY better home record doesn't necessarily imply that your home advantage is any greater than that of ASU.

Sorry the terrible rhetoric earlier. This is the first time I've been able to sit at the computer and think since this morning.

 

[AZGrizFan]

My mistake about the exact # of home wins. You do see my point that our atmospheres are VERY comparable though. I'd give Washington Griz the edge on noise only because of the architecture/acoustics involved. KBS is bigger and there are a few thousand more. Far and away the two most intimidating environments in the FCS.

I really do think the SoCon is more competitive, top to bottom. The SoCon consistently has more ranked in the polls. The BSC seems to be pretty polarized. EWU had an uncharacteristically good year and U or M is the only consistent National Championship contender. Georgia Southern is a powerhouse (along with us) while Wofford has also been constantly strong over the past few years. Elon had a good couple of years recently too and Chatty is on the rise. It is a pretty subjective claim, I know, but there is evidence. The SoCon is a stronger conference.

Funny thing is though, only one of those 5 L's was a conference loss. Maine, Richmond and Villanova were all having the best years in program history when they did the impossible. McNeese beat us in Armanti's first game back from injury (when he ran over his foot with a lawn mower, /facepalm). GaSo is GaSo. They are our arch rival, a fellow powerhouse. We play each other with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. Only twice in the last 10-12 years has the game been decided by more than a score. They have a huge following too/a loud gameday experience (albeit not on the level of App and U of M) You guys have to go out of conference to meet another team close to your caliber. We do it at least once a year with the Stink.

I'm not trying to make excuses. Well, I guess I am, but the point is we DO in fact have a comparable atmosphere to U of M. Things happen on any given saturday and having a SLIGHTLY better home record doesn't necessarily imply that your home advantage is any greater than that of ASU.

Sorry the terrible rhetoric earlier. This is the first time I've been able to sit at the computer and think since this morning.

My GOD. If you're going to use Chatty as your bar for teams "on the rise", we're wasting our time here. They are 6-5, 5-6 and 6-5 in their last three seasons.

You seem to be working VERY hard to justify your previous comments. I don't think anyone is doubting that the Rock is a comparable atmosphere...but when you spout "stats" that turn out to be incorrect, then continue to add layers of qualifiers in an attempt to spin those stats, you just come off as a hater. BTW, regarding Montana's 38-2 home record...only one of THOSE losses was a conference loss too...

And even your point about "going outside the conference" to find a team of equal caliber is a stretch. Your toughest opponent the last 9 years has been GSU...you're 6-3 against them. Our toughest in-conference opponent has been EWU...we're 7-2 against them.

GaSo hasn't exactly been a world-beater the past 8 years (well until the last two) and Wofford has almost an identical performance to MSU...we could go around and around, but point is this: the BSC ain't a one trick pony any more...and with the addition of the GWFC teams it's gotten even stronger (at least from a football standpoint).

I'll stack UM/EWU/MSU/Cal Poly/Weber up against ASU/GSU/Wofford/Elon/Chatty any day of the week. Personally, I think the BSC goes 4-1 in that set of matchups...

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

My mistake about the exact # of home wins. You do see my point that our atmospheres are VERY comparable though. I'd give Washington Griz the edge on noise only because of the architecture/acoustics involved. KBS is bigger and there are a few thousand more. Far and away the two most intimidating environments in the FCS.

I really do think the SoCon is more competitive, top to bottom. The SoCon consistently has more ranked in the polls. The BSC seems to be pretty polarized. EWU had an uncharacteristically good year and U or M is the only consistent National Championship contender. Georgia Southern is a powerhouse (along with us) while Wofford has also been constantly strong over the past few years. Elon had a good couple of years recently too and Chatty is on the rise. It is a pretty subjective claim, I know, but there is evidence. The SoCon is a stronger conference.

Funny thing is though, only one of those 5 L's was a conference loss. Maine, Richmond and Villanova were all having the best years in program history when they did the impossible. McNeese beat us in Armanti's first game back from injury (when he ran over his foot with a lawn mower, /facepalm). GaSo is GaSo. They are our arch rival, a fellow powerhouse. We play each other with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. Only twice in the last 10-12 years has the game been decided by more than a score. They have a huge following too/a loud gameday experience (albeit not on the level of App and U of M) You guys have to go out of conference to meet another team close to your caliber. We do it at least once a year with the Stink.

I'm not trying to make excuses. Well, I guess I am, but the point is we DO in fact have a comparable atmosphere to U of M. Things happen on any given saturday and having a SLIGHTLY better home record doesn't necessarily imply that your home advantage is any greater than that of ASU.

Sorry the terrible rhetoric earlier. This is the first time I've been able to sit at the computer and think since this morning.

My GOD. If you're going to use Chatty as your bar for teams "on the rise", we're wasting our time here. They are 6-5, 5-6 and 6-5 in their last three seasons.

You seem to be working VERY hard to justify your previous comments. I don't think anyone is doubting that the Rock is a comparable atmosphere...but when you spout "stats" that turn out to be incorrect, then continue to add layers of qualifiers in an attempt to spin those stats, you just come off as a hater. BTW, regarding Montana's 38-2 home record...only one of THOSE losses was a conference loss too...

And even your point about "going outside the conference" to find a team of equal caliber is a stretch. Your toughest opponent the last 9 years has been GSU...you're 6-3 against them. Our toughest in-conference opponent has been EWU...we're 7-2 against them.

GaSo hasn't exactly been a world-beater the past 8 years (well until the last two) and Wofford has almost an identical performance to MSU...we could go around and around, but point is this: the BSC ain't a one trick pony any more...and with the addition of the GWFC teams it's gotten even stronger (at least from a football standpoint).

I'll stack UM/EWU/MSU/Cal Poly/Weber up against ASU/GSU/Wofford/Elon/Chatty any day of the week. Personally, I think the BSC goes 4-1 in that set of matchups...

Nooga's W/L is VERY misleading for how competitive they were. Sure they haven't busted out of mediocrity on a national scale, but they lost by 2 to us, 1 to GaSo, 1 to Wofford, 1 to the Citadel and 7 to Furple. That's what happens in a truly deep league like the SoCon and the CAA. Good teams just get screwed because of SOS.

Our "toughest" opponent in conference varies every year. GaSo is our biggest rival and a fellow powerhouse and they were certainly our biggest competition this past year being #1 in the nation, but Wofford and Elon have been our toughest games in years immediately prior. By the way, we have lost games to teams that were not our biggest competition (ie choking away a 7th straight SoCon championship to Furman right after we took down the #1 Eagles). It just speaks to the strength of the SoCon. You can't sleep on ANY team. Except Western. Our team could play cards all week and still destroy the Can'tamounts.

I began on the wrong foot with an incorrect statement about home winning record (because someone on another board stated the same and I didn't research the stat myself before posting). I'm not spinning anything. I agreed that I was mistaken about that figure and apologized.

UM/EWU/MSU/Cal Poly/Weber up against ASU/GSU/Wofford/Elon/Chatty I'd say the SoCon wins 3-2 or 4-1 depending on how they were pared and where the games took place.

 

[grizfan95]

My mistake about the exact # of home wins. You do see my point that our atmospheres are VERY comparable though. I'd give Washington Griz the edge on noise only because of the architecture/acoustics involved. KBS is bigger and there are a few thousand more. Far and away the two most intimidating environments in the FCS.

I really do think the SoCon is more competitive, top to bottom. The SoCon consistently has more ranked in the polls. The BSC seems to be pretty polarized. EWU had an uncharacteristically good year and U or M is the only consistent National Championship contender. Georgia Southern is a powerhouse (along with us) while Wofford has also been constantly strong over the past few years. Elon had a good couple of years recently too and Chatty is on the rise. It is a pretty subjective claim, I know, but there is evidence. The SoCon is a stronger conference.

Funny thing is though, only one of those 5 L's was a conference loss. Maine, Richmond and Villanova were all having the best years in program history when they did the impossible. McNeese beat us in Armanti's first game back from injury (when he ran over his foot with a lawn mower, /facepalm). GaSo is GaSo. They are our arch rival, a fellow powerhouse. We play each other with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. Only twice in the last 10-12 years has the game been decided by more than a score. They have a huge following too/a loud gameday experience (albeit not on the level of App and U of M) You guys have to go out of conference to meet another team close to your caliber. We do it at least once a year with the Stink.

I'm not trying to make excuses. Well, I guess I am, but the point is we DO in fact have a comparable atmosphere to U of M. Things happen on any given saturday and having a SLIGHTLY better home record doesn't necessarily imply that your home advantage is any greater than that of ASU.

Sorry the terrible rhetoric earlier. This is the first time I've been able to sit at the computer and think since this morning.

My GOD. If you're going to use Chatty as your bar for teams "on the rise", we're wasting our time here. They are 6-5, 5-6 and 6-5 in their last three seasons.

You seem to be working VERY hard to justify your previous comments. I don't think anyone is doubting that the Rock is a comparable atmosphere...but when you spout "stats" that turn out to be incorrect, then continue to add layers of qualifiers in an attempt to spin those stats, you just come off as a hater. BTW, regarding Montana's 38-2 home record...only one of THOSE losses was a conference loss too...

And even your point about "going outside the conference" to find a team of equal caliber is a stretch. Your toughest opponent the last 9 years has been GSU...you're 6-3 against them. Our toughest in-conference opponent has been EWU...we're 7-2 against them.

GaSo hasn't exactly been a world-beater the past 8 years (well until the last two) and Wofford has almost an identical performance to MSU...we could go around and around, but point is this: the BSC ain't a one trick pony any more...and with the addition of the GWFC teams it's gotten even stronger (at least from a football standpoint).

I'll stack UM/EWU/MSU/Cal Poly/Weber up against ASU/GSU/Wofford/Elon/Chatty any day of the week. Personally, I think the BSC goes 4-1 in that set of matchups...

Nooga's W/L is VERY misleading for how competitive they were. Sure they haven't busted out of mediocrity on a national scale, but they lost by 2 to us, 1 to GaSo, 1 to Wofford, 1 to the Citadel and 7 to Furple. That's what happens in a truly deep league like the SoCon and the CAA. Good teams just get screwed because of SOS.

Our "toughest" opponent in conference varies every year. GaSo is our biggest rival and a fellow powerhouse and they were certainly our biggest competition this past year being #1 in the nation, but Wofford and Elon have been our toughest games in years immediately prior. By the way, we have lost games to teams that were not our biggest competition (ie choking away a 7th straight SoCon championship to Furman right after we took down the #1 Eagles). It just speaks to the strength of the SoCon. You can't sleep on ANY team. Except Western. Our team could play cards all week and still destroy the Can'tamounts.

I began on the wrong foot with an incorrect statement about home winning record (because someone on another board stated the same and I didn't research the stat myself before posting). I'm not spinning anything. I agreed that I was mistaken about that figure and apologized.

UM/EWU/MSU/Cal Poly/Weber up against ASU/GSU/Wofford/Elon/Chatty I'd say the SoCon wins 3-2 or 4-1 depending on how they were pared and where the games took place.

Gonzo, I appreciate the sharing of knowledge, thoughts and opinions. All in all I think it's fair to say that both the Big Sky and SoCon are quality and extremely different leagues. Montana and App St are the absolute cream of the crop when it comes to FCS and Sept 8th can't come soon enough for the clash of these titans. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Nooga's W/L is VERY misleading for how competitive they were. Sure they haven't busted out of mediocrity on a national scale, but they lost by 2 to us, 1 to GaSo, 1 to Wofford, 1 to the Citadel and 7 to Furple. That's what happens in a truly deep league like the SoCon and the CAA. Good teams just get screwed because of SOS.

Montana seems to play a couple of those types of games every year...beating a winless ISU team 12-10...barely scraping by NAU in the dome...EWU game is always a squeaker...

And as far as Chatty's record/scores, may I present to you: Portland State University.

6-3 in FCS games last year, with losses to Montana State (by 2), Montana (by 6) and Weber.

Or how about NAU? They follow the Chatty model to a tee... 4-7 with losses to PSU (by 2 in OT), EWU (by 8), Montana (by 4), Weber (by 3) and SUU (by 3). See how easy that is? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: If not for all those close losses, NAU could have hosted a couple playoff games! :?