Any Star Athletes At FCS Level?

[RoseyMustGo]

You know, as badly as I shudder to admit it, your statement that Montana and MSU might as well drop to Division II status (not NAIA) might be in the cards for the future. Do we move up, or do we move down??? Staying the course in a rapidly diminishing FCS level seems to put us in purgatory.

Give the change in leadership at the NCAA two years and I believe there will be a clear picture as to why one would state the NAIA is a better organized and managed organization. Emmett cut his teeth under Fullerton at MSU, correct? I know he was gone before they hired Fields...

Bottom line, I think, is that the cozy little world of FCS athletics we have come to know and love has been leaking for many years. Remembering how strong the field was 20 years ago, and all of the defections for the top powers to move-up to FBS, and realizing that FBC continues to shed water, the future of FCS football seems clouded at best.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The money is the biggest hurdle to offering FCOA. Where does it come from?

Form another non-profit 501(b) 3. Both Montana schools presently have quarterback clubs providing scholarships and NIL money. I've often questioned why both schools take their athletic departments all over Montana to meet and greet members but never seem to have large gatherings where there are large alumni groups out of state. MSU has tapped into the deep pockets in and around Moonlight Basin and UM has more than a few deep pockets scattered around the left coast, Texas and Hotlanta.

I believe that if FCOA is offered, it must be offered to all scholarship athletes. I suggest doing a little math and see how that pencils out on an annual basis. And I believe the current amounts would be $5000 for in-state and $6500 for out-of-state.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Form another non-profit 501(b) 3. Both Montana schools presently have quarterback clubs providing scholarships and NIL money. I've often questioned why both schools take their athletic departments all over Montana to meet and greet members but never seem to have large gatherings where there are large alumni groups out of state. MSU has tapped into the deep pockets in and around Moonlight Basin and UM has more than a few deep pockets scattered around the left coast, Texas and Hotlanta.

I believe that if FCOA is offered, it must be offered to all scholarship athletes. I suggest doing a little math and see how that pencils out on an annual basis. And I believe the current amounts would be $5000 for in-state and $6500 for out-of-state.

The stipend amounts vary from school to school. Ensuring every scholarship is honored for five years can pose as an issue.

Another source of income for the school? Do as Kansas does with I-70; the section from Bonner Springs to Lawrence is a toll road and last known percentage was 85% to the jaywalking.

How much money could the state generate from toll roads on I-90 between St. Regis and Drummond and Whitehall to Big Timber? Throw in Highway 93 and 191 and there's a lot of out of state drivers contributing absolutely nothing but a few bucks to a few tourist centric businesses. Maybe a couple dozen businesses...

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I believe that if FCOA is offered, it must be offered to all scholarship athletes. I suggest doing a little math and see how that pencils out on an annual basis. And I believe the current amounts would be $5000 for in-state and $6500 for out-of-state.

The stipend amounts vary from school to school. Ensuring every scholarship is honored for five years can pose as an issue.

Another source of income for the school? Do as Kansas does with I-70; the section from Bonner Springs to Lawrence is a toll road and last known percentage was 85% to the jaywalking.

How much money could the state generate from toll roads on I-90 between St. Regis and Drummond and Whitehall to Big Timber? Throw in Highway 93 and 191 and there's a lot of out of state drivers contributing absolutely nothing but a few bucks to a few tourist centric businesses. Maybe a couple dozen businesses...

I know the stipends very by school, but it is not difficult to determine, if you know what it is based on. I also have an option that is just as feasible as yours, how about you bank roll the additional money on an annual basis.

 

[Copper Griz]

Given the impact that artificial intelligence will have in the near future, NAIA schools may not exist for long. Many institutions will likely close their doors due to lower enrollment and a lack of funds. Thinking higher education will remain the same for the foreseeable future is foolish. The world is changing rapidly. As AI continues to evolve and learn our entire society will change. Don’t believe me. Ok. Maybe research the topic and prepared to be digest so pretty heavy theory. This will impact universities in a big way. The BOR might have to evaluate what schools to keep open. Northern, Western, MSU B? Tech may even be susceptible. I am not trying to be Chicken Little. Just pointing out what people are largely ignoring.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Given the impact that artificial intelligence will have in the near future, NAIA schools may not exist for long. Many institutions will likely close their doors due to lower enrollment and a lack of funds. Thinking higher education will remain the same for the foreseeable future is foolish. The world is changing rapidly. As AI continues to evolve and learn our entire society will change. Don’t believe me. Ok. Maybe research the topic and prepared to be digest so pretty heavy theory. This will impact universities in a big way. The BOR might have to evaluate what schools to keep open. Northern, Western, MSU B? Tech may even be susceptible. I am not trying to be Chicken Little. Just pointing out what people are largely ignoring.

And football and athletic programs will also get evaluated in this process. Where should the states and private schools put their resources? In football programs that have been semi-professional farm teams, or into academics and related programs? Into more pay for coaches and fancier athletics facilities? Into catering to tv schedules end not students and fans? Into players who are getting NIL money? Into "student-athletes" that transfer from school to school? Into out-of-state elite athletes who have no real interest in Montana, or even in school, and who show little loyalty? Obviously, this post is a general one and not directed at Copper.

 

[uptopgriz]

Given the impact that artificial intelligence will have in the near future, NAIA schools may not exist for long. Many institutions will likely close their doors due to lower enrollment and a lack of funds. Thinking higher education will remain the same for the foreseeable future is foolish. The world is changing rapidly. As AI continues to evolve and learn our entire society will change. Don’t believe me. Ok. Maybe research the topic and prepared to be digest so pretty heavy theory. This will impact universities in a big way. The BOR might have to evaluate what schools to keep open. Northern, Western, MSU B? Tech may even be susceptible. I am not trying to be Chicken Little. Just pointing out what people are largely ignoring.

And football and athletic programs will also get evaluated in this process. Where should the states and private schools put their resources? In football programs that have been semi-professional farm teams, or into academics and related programs? Into more pay for coaches and fancier athletics facilities? Into catering to tv schedules end not students and fans? Into players who are getting NIL money? Into "student-athletes" that transfer from school to school? Into out-of-state elite athletes who have no real interest in Montana, or even in school, and who show little loyalty? Obviously, this post is a general one and not directed at Copper.

N.A.I.A. schools in Montana aren't going anywhere. Western actually cancelled football for time period in the 80's and the community put enormous pressure on them and BOR to bring it back.

 

[mthoopsfan]

And football and athletic programs will also get evaluated in this process. Where should the states and private schools put their resources? In football programs that have been semi-professional farm teams, or into academics and related programs? Into more pay for coaches and fancier athletics facilities? Into catering to tv schedules end not students and fans? Into players who are getting NIL money? Into "student-athletes" that transfer from school to school? Into out-of-state elite athletes who have no real interest in Montana, or even in school, and who show little loyalty? Obviously, this post is a general one and not directed at Copper.

N.A.I.A. schools in Montana aren't going anywhere. Western actually cancelled football for time period in the 80's and the community put enormous pressure on them and BOR to bring it back.

Western didn't become part of the Montana university system until 2000.

 

[MikeyGriz]

I believe that if FCOA is offered, it must be offered to all scholarship athletes. I suggest doing a little math and see how that pencils out on an annual basis. And I believe the current amounts would be $5000 for in-state and $6500 for out-of-state.

The stipend amounts vary from school to school. Ensuring every scholarship is honored for five years can pose as an issue.

Another source of income for the school? Do as Kansas does with I-70; the section from Bonner Springs to Lawrence is a toll road and last known percentage was 85% to the jaywalking.

How much money could the state generate from toll roads on I-90 between St. Regis and Drummond and Whitehall to Big Timber? Throw in Highway 93 and 191 and there's a lot of out of state drivers contributing absolutely nothing but a few bucks to a few tourist centric businesses. Maybe a couple dozen businesses...

No thank you!

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

N.A.I.A. schools in Montana aren't going anywhere. Western actually cancelled football for time period in the 80's and the community put enormous pressure on them and BOR to bring it back.

Western didn't become part of the Montana university system until 2000.

Your source?

https://www.msun.edu/aboutmsun/history/usystem.htm

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Given the impact that artificial intelligence will have in the near future, NAIA schools may not exist for long. Many institutions will likely close their doors due to lower enrollment and a lack of funds. Thinking higher education will remain the same for the foreseeable future is foolish. The world is changing rapidly. As AI continues to evolve and learn our entire society will change. Don’t believe me. Ok. Maybe research the topic and prepared to be digest so pretty heavy theory. This will impact universities in a big way. The BOR might have to evaluate what schools to keep open. Northern, Western, MSU B? Tech may even be susceptible. I am not trying to be Chicken Little. Just pointing out what people are largely ignoring.

And football and athletic programs will also get evaluated in this process. Where should the states and private schools put their resources? In football programs that have been semi-professional farm teams, or into academics and related programs? Into more pay for coaches and fancier athletics facilities? Into catering to tv schedules end not students and fans? Into players who are getting NIL money? Into "student-athletes" that transfer from school to school? Into out-of-state elite athletes who have no real interest in Montana, or even in school, and who show little loyalty? Obviously, this post is a general one and not directed at Copper.

I'm not talking smack at all here, but does it ever bother you that you played on a team that finished in the top five of both polls and now the powers that be won't even let those who followed in your footsteps even get to play in a bowl? Graduates from your conference's member schools have been instrumental in building, elsewhere, that very thing you're waxing philosophically about?

I honestly see Montana going down that road you're discussing as you prepare to go sit in a stadium built by the heirs to the Walmart fortune and enjoy the fruits of two head coaches that got their start at mighty Valdosta State?

 

[Copper Griz]

Given the impact that artificial intelligence will have in the near future, NAIA schools may not exist for long. Many institutions will likely close their doors due to lower enrollment and a lack of funds. Thinking higher education will remain the same for the foreseeable future is foolish. The world is changing rapidly. As AI continues to evolve and learn our entire society will change. Don’t believe me. Ok. Maybe research the topic and prepared to be digest so pretty heavy theory. This will impact universities in a big way. The BOR might have to evaluate what schools to keep open. Northern, Western, MSU B? Tech may even be susceptible. I am not trying to be Chicken Little. Just pointing out what people are largely ignoring.

And football and athletic programs will also get evaluated in this process. Where should the states and private schools put their resources? In football programs that have been semi-professional farm teams, or into academics and related programs? Into more pay for coaches and fancier athletics facilities? Into catering to tv schedules end not students and fans? Into players who are getting NIL money? Into "student-athletes" that transfer from school to school? Into out-of-state elite athletes who have no real interest in Montana, or even in school, and who show little loyalty? Obviously, this post is a general one and not directed at Copper.

No offense taken by me Hoops. All valid points and the issues you raise are not very pleasant. All comes down to $$ in the end.