Any Star Athletes At FCS Level?

[AZGrizFan]

Your first sentence is not correct. In effect, it's an extra cost of living stipend to cover those expenses not covered by a full-ride scholarship. I believe FCOA is set by the school not the athletic department. A school can pay a stipend of less that full cost of attendance. I don't think the stipend changes for in-state and out-of-state players, but don't know that for sure.

Thanks, gentlemen. So, in effect, Bobby isn’t able to be competitive recruiting with the two Dakota schools. That isn’t fair and you would think the BOR would see the wisdom in meeting this competitive additional allowance for recruits.

Seeing the wisdom is one thing (and a giant assumption, based on this BOR)…actually finding the money is quite another.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Your first sentence is not correct. In effect, it's an extra cost of living stipend to cover those expenses not covered by a full-ride scholarship. I believe FCOA is set by the school not the athletic department. A school can pay a stipend of less that full cost of attendance. I don't think the stipend changes for in-state and out-of-state players, but don't know that for sure.

Thanks, gentlemen. So, in effect, Bobby isn’t able to be competitive recruiting with the two Dakota schools. That isn’t fair and you would think the BOR would see the wisdom in meeting this competitive additional allowance for recruits.

They can't. Montana has the most complicated process for virtually anything I've ever been associated with as far as layer upon layer of red tape. Much better for the well-to-do to simply contribute to academics. The only way anything gets accomplished athletically is to turn it over to a foundation, as we do for facilities, and they in turn give it back to the institution. Want better facilities? Has to be private funds, by and large.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Your first sentence is not correct. In effect, it's an extra cost of living stipend to cover those expenses not covered by a full-ride scholarship. I believe FCOA is set by the school not the athletic department. A school can pay a stipend of less that full cost of attendance. I don't think the stipend changes for in-state and out-of-state players, but don't know that for sure.

Given that most of the Power 5 schools ceded their athletic departments to their athletic foundations rather than leave them under institutional, hence state control, one can easily see why Montana doesn't want the responsibility. In fact, Montana does not offer any coursework in non-profit management to my knowledge.

The stipend is in fact in addition to the five year scholarship and you are correct as I stated, each member institution establishes the dollar amount a kid will receive. The article I posted earlier stated NDSU's stipend was over 3000 per kid. I understand it's larger now.

What's the P5 athletic departments are ceded to foundations? I'm not aware of that.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Your first sentence is not correct. In effect, it's an extra cost of living stipend to cover those expenses not covered by a full-ride scholarship. I believe FCOA is set by the school not the athletic department. A school can pay a stipend of less that full cost of attendance. I don't think the stipend changes for in-state and out-of-state players, but don't know that for sure.

Thanks, gentlemen. So, in effect, Bobby isn’t able to be competitive recruiting with the two Dakota schools. That isn’t fair and you would think the BOR would see the wisdom in meeting this competitive additional allowance for recruits.

I assume the BOR would be fine with UM and MSU raising the funds privately to pay for the stipen, but I can understand why they (and the legislature) won't allocate state funds for that.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

Given that most of the Power 5 schools ceded their athletic departments to their athletic foundations rather than leave them under institutional, hence state control, one can easily see why Montana doesn't want the responsibility. In fact, Montana does not offer any coursework in non-profit management to my knowledge.

The stipend is in fact in addition to the five year scholarship and you are correct as I stated, each member institution establishes the dollar amount a kid will receive. The article I posted earlier stated NDSU's stipend was over 3000 per kid. I understand it's larger now.

What's the P5 athletic departments are ceded to foundations? I'm not aware of that.

The one I'm familiar with:


https://flagpole.com/news/news-features/2022/06/22/uga-football-is-making-money-paw-over-fist/


I know you're an habitual reader, therefore, this ought to pique your interest:

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/kevin-blue-rising-expenses-in-college-athletics-and-the-non-profit-paradox/

 

[Spanky2]

Thanks, gentlemen. So, in effect, Bobby isn’t able to be competitive recruiting with the two Dakota schools. That isn’t fair and you would think the BOR would see the wisdom in meeting this competitive additional allowance for recruits.

I assume the BOR would be fine with UM and MSU raising the funds privately to pay for the stipen, but I can understand why they (and the legislature) won't allocate state funds for that.

Why? Isn’t it an extension of an athletic scholarship? There should be a way. Meanwhile, we will watch the two Dakota schools play for the NC this Sunday.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I assume the BOR would be fine with UM and MSU raising the funds privately to pay for the stipen, but I can understand why they (and the legislature) won't allocate state funds for that.

Why? Isn’t it an extension of an athletic scholarship? There should be a way. Meanwhile, we will watch the two Dakota schools play for the NC this Sunday.

Never been done before in Montana; can’t be done.

 

[mthoopsfan]

My understanding is that some people, including legislators, believe that academics are more important than football.

 

[AZGrizFan]

My understanding is that some people, including legislators, believe that academics are more important than football.

Those people don’t understand the impact a successful football team have on enrollment.

 

[bigsky33]

My understanding is that some people, including legislators, believe that academics are more important than football.

Those people don’t understand the impact a successful football team have on enrollment.

Cruzado does. She talks about it all the time. She is right-on. Look at the enrollment numbers at MSU.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Those people don’t understand the impact a successful football team have on enrollment.

Cruzado does. She talks about it all the time. She is right-on. Look at the enrollment numbers at MSU.

#catsignal
#catsplaining

Do I get banned for throwing this annoying dumbass off a cliff?

 

[griznative24]

Seems like there is a real easy fix to all these budget woes

 

[Spanky2]

My understanding is that some people, including legislators, believe that academics are more important than football.

Those legislators are either Griz or Bobcat fans. Haslam could form an External Committee of Football reporting to him that could determine how to get this done.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The money is the biggest hurdle to offering FCOA. Where does it come from?

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Ya, this is one thing that got Choate so fired up, in fact may have been one of the reasons he bolted. He said this provided a huge advantage for the Dakota schools..... and obviously that shows. See who is playing this Sunday.

I think FCOA, NIL Collectives, the Portal and the new eligibility rules allowing a kid to participate immediately in the revenue sports as the Olympic Sports have always been allowed to is the best thing to happen to college football since they outlawed the crackback blocks.

I don't get the woe is me, the sky is falling mentality because of the portal. Eight kids left MSU last year and six transferred in and UM got a good quarterback and lineman.

I know the FCS has lost all the decent southern schools so it's really weak now, but it's what the powers that be want. Montana's flagship schools may as well drop to NAIA. I know many of my relatives want that.

You know, as badly as I shudder to admit it, your statement that Montana and MSU might as well drop to Division II status (not NAIA) might be in the cards for the future. Do we move up, or do we move down??? Staying the course in a rapidly diminishing FCS level seems to put us in purgatory.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

The money is the biggest hurdle to offering FCOA. Where does it come from?

Form another non-profit 501(b) 3. Both Montana schools presently have quarterback clubs providing scholarships and NIL money. I've often questioned why both schools take their athletic departments all over Montana to meet and greet members but never seem to have large gatherings where there are large alumni groups out of state. MSU has tapped into the deep pockets in and around Moonlight Basin and UM has more than a few deep pockets scattered around the left coast, Texas and Hotlanta.

 

[CatGrad-UMGradStu]

I think FCOA, NIL Collectives, the Portal and the new eligibility rules allowing a kid to participate immediately in the revenue sports as the Olympic Sports have always been allowed to is the best thing to happen to college football since they outlawed the crackback blocks.

I don't get the woe is me, the sky is falling mentality because of the portal. Eight kids left MSU last year and six transferred in and UM got a good quarterback and lineman.

I know the FCS has lost all the decent southern schools so it's really weak now, but it's what the powers that be want. Montana's flagship schools may as well drop to NAIA. I know many of my relatives want that.

You know, as badly as I shudder to admit it, your statement that Montana and MSU might as well drop to Division II status (not NAIA) might be in the cards for the future. Do we move up, or do we move down??? Staying the course in a rapidly diminishing FCS level seems to put us in purgatory.

Give the change in leadership at the NCAA two years and I believe there will be a clear picture as to why one would state the NAIA is a better organized and managed organization. Emmett cut his teeth under Fullerton at MSU, correct? I know he was gone before they hired Fields...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Seems like there is a real easy fix to all these budget woes

Close down MSU?

 

[Raider]

Good point. I think the answer is that most FCS players who end-up being good enough to start for an FBS team, will likely enter the portal. Two reasons....... the first being that most of these kids dream of playing on Sundays, or feel that the exposure they will get by playing FBS football will enhance their chances. The second is the NIL money which is being offered by FBS teams.

This is why I believe we need to continue to focus on recruiting high school kids, knowing that we will probably lose a couple of the best ones to the portal each year. But if our recruiting is solid, we should be able to replace quality with quality.

I just don't think many really good portal kids will be left for the FCS schools to sign, after the FBS schools pick-over the available athletes. The portal kids available to us may not be as good as our high school signees. The removal of the one-year policy for FBS portal players to transfer has really hurt FCS recruiting.

Unless Haslam plans on converting the football stadium to a parking lot, he better develop a new recruiting plan for high school athletes. I won’t comment further.

You mean recruiting NAIA level talent because they come from a "big Griz family" isn't a sound strategy? I find that shocking.

 

[RoseyMustGo]

Unless Haslam plans on converting the football stadium to a parking lot, he better develop a new recruiting plan for high school athletes. I won’t comment further.

You mean recruiting NAIA level talent because they come from a "big Griz family" isn't a sound strategy? I find that shocking.

Yeah, me too. Who woulda thunk it???