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Any Chance UM buys out Tinkle's contract....
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Won't happen
Grizbacker1
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robomomo said:
You are such a big shot, why don't you put up the money? Of course, we all know you don't have anything but a big mouth. :loser:
GrizBBIsKing
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robomomo said:
He isn't asking you how much for a bet. He is asking you to put up the money to pay off Tinkle's contract.
Grizbacker1
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robomomo said:
I doubt you have ever listened a day in your pathetic existence, but just in case, GFY. :loser:
Grizbacker1
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GrizBBIsKing said:
Obviously robo is not too smart, he proves it each and every post.
Grizbacker1
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Ballhog said:
Shambles? Please. That may apply at Sac State. As for PSU, I think other schools making strides in their programs is a good thing for the league. If the BSC ever wants to get better than a #12 seed in the post season, the entire conference has to improve. The OOC schedules are improving, but they need to get some quality wins. :twocents:
No chance...
There is no point in firing the coach after one .500 season, unless of course, fans are willing to sacrifice the next season too. Very rarely does a new coach come in, with a new system, and start winning championships right out of the gate...
The Griz have a ton of potential coming into next year. Now, if the incredibly high expectations for 2008-2009 aren't met, I'll have to change my tune... :twocents:
There is no point in firing the coach after one .500 season, unless of course, fans are willing to sacrifice the next season too. Very rarely does a new coach come in, with a new system, and start winning championships right out of the gate...
The Griz have a ton of potential coming into next year. Now, if the incredibly high expectations for 2008-2009 aren't met, I'll have to change my tune... :twocents:
indian-outlaw
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Didn't Don Holst get fired after winning the conference tourney? There might have been other variables or circumstances like banging the AD wife or something that was rumored.
GrizBBIsKing
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indian-outlaw said:
There was an article in the Missoulian either before or after the tournament about Holst giving an incentive (I call it a bribe) that if the players play defense, that he would let the players play. What do you know, the Griz finely played some good basketball during the tournament and won it. Heck, there were some plays I have seen that Holst would have not allowed to happen in the championship game.
As for Hogan firing Holst, I am fairly well certain that the decision was made sometime before the tournament. I figure Holst knew he was gone and thus became desparate and decided to make this incentive (or bribe) to the players to save his job.
Anyway, Holst had more than 3 years. Attendance was going down hill (and I figure the real reason for him not being rehired).
Attendance this year is higher than it was during the 2001-2 season. By about 500 a game higher I think there were so many people that disliked Holst that the next season attendance went up around 800 a game (from 3,668 to 4,491 a game) during Kennedy's first season. Of course, so many became disgusted with kennedy that the next season attendance went right back down to the level of Holst's last season, and I think it really hurt attendance during LK's first season because I am sure too many fans just didn't trust the next coach or whomever the next coach was going to be until he proved himself. Well, LK made believers of all of us his first year, and attendance went way up his second and last season.
Attendance for both Tinkle's first season and this year is pretty much the same. Well, actually this year it is about 100 to 200 higher. Though, I predict next year could be lower unless Griz can start playing better and winning.
Hiring coaches just ain't that easy. Whomever you hire maybe a hit, or could be a bust. But, you have to give them three years.
Indian outlaw: Wrong on wife banging. The story was that the wife who was being banged was the coach's lawyer wife -- reportedly by a certain Supreme Court justice -- and she would soon get a divorce after what was supposed to be a pretty bitter custody battle.
Griz band: Right about the firing being imminent going into the postseason.
Holst's REGULAR-season records: 13-14, 17-10 (one and done in postseason tourney), 11-16 and 13-14 (3-1 in postseason). Total record was 57-56 for four seasons; 3-2 in postseason and 54-54 in four regular seasons.
Hogan was trapped by Taylor's late taking in spring '98 of the the assistant's job at Stanford with Mike M, and Taylor pleaded for Holst to get a chance during the season the Griz would have to play at Sentinel.
Holst really was the "interim" coach for that 13-14 losing season when the Griz missed the Sky tourney for the first time in 21 or 22 years, and he pleaded for a "fair" chance at Dahlberg. The backcourt club or hoop club, or whatever it was called, really put on the pressure for Holst. I got a call from one of the activists asking me to pressure my boss, the chairman of our company, to put the pressure on Hogan because our company sponsorships would carry more weight, and we refused to do that.
Hogan wanted to hire Ben Howland Northern Ariz, and Ben was ready to come to Missoula. But Hogan yielded to the pressure and Holst got to stay. Howland went to Pitt instead, and now he's at UCLA. Who knows how long he would have stayed at UM, but he would have taken the program in a different direction than it went -- certainly different than Holst and sad-sack Pat Kennedy.
Hogan really regretted yielding to the pressure on Holst's behalf, and as the fourth season sank into the pits, decided Holst was gone, and when the miracle at Montana State happened, included a win over the bobs in the semis, decided he was going through with the canning anyway, because 57-56 was not getting the job done with the decline in attendance that continued after the reopening of Dahlberg.
It was kind of the "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
With Kennedy (who had been at Fla State when Hogan was there, and when the Griz lost to Fla State in NCAA tourney), Hogan pretty much said the hell with the pressure, I'll hire the guy I think we should have. And he was wrong again.
And that's from the horse's mouth.
Griz band: Right about the firing being imminent going into the postseason.
Holst's REGULAR-season records: 13-14, 17-10 (one and done in postseason tourney), 11-16 and 13-14 (3-1 in postseason). Total record was 57-56 for four seasons; 3-2 in postseason and 54-54 in four regular seasons.
Hogan was trapped by Taylor's late taking in spring '98 of the the assistant's job at Stanford with Mike M, and Taylor pleaded for Holst to get a chance during the season the Griz would have to play at Sentinel.
Holst really was the "interim" coach for that 13-14 losing season when the Griz missed the Sky tourney for the first time in 21 or 22 years, and he pleaded for a "fair" chance at Dahlberg. The backcourt club or hoop club, or whatever it was called, really put on the pressure for Holst. I got a call from one of the activists asking me to pressure my boss, the chairman of our company, to put the pressure on Hogan because our company sponsorships would carry more weight, and we refused to do that.
Hogan wanted to hire Ben Howland Northern Ariz, and Ben was ready to come to Missoula. But Hogan yielded to the pressure and Holst got to stay. Howland went to Pitt instead, and now he's at UCLA. Who knows how long he would have stayed at UM, but he would have taken the program in a different direction than it went -- certainly different than Holst and sad-sack Pat Kennedy.
Hogan really regretted yielding to the pressure on Holst's behalf, and as the fourth season sank into the pits, decided Holst was gone, and when the miracle at Montana State happened, included a win over the bobs in the semis, decided he was going through with the canning anyway, because 57-56 was not getting the job done with the decline in attendance that continued after the reopening of Dahlberg.
It was kind of the "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
With Kennedy (who had been at Fla State when Hogan was there, and when the Griz lost to Fla State in NCAA tourney), Hogan pretty much said the hell with the pressure, I'll hire the guy I think we should have. And he was wrong again.
And that's from the horse's mouth.
I am by no means either a basketball expert or a UM athletics insider; just an alum and a fan. I don't know if the U would or would not buy out WT's last year. I am guessing the answer to that is no.
I think that honoring the final year of the contract is the right thing to do. Why sign him to a three year deal if you don't intend to see it through all three years? In addition, there is practically nothing the program stands to lose by keeping him for that third year. If he turns it around, great - we have a good year and WT finds his stride. If we have another 2007, then we don't resign him and we look for another coach. What's the difference?
I think that honoring the final year of the contract is the right thing to do. Why sign him to a three year deal if you don't intend to see it through all three years? In addition, there is practically nothing the program stands to lose by keeping him for that third year. If he turns it around, great - we have a good year and WT finds his stride. If we have another 2007, then we don't resign him and we look for another coach. What's the difference?
Grizbacker1
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LakeGriz said:
Spot on! :clap:
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