Another look at RB's

['68griz]

If Eastwood wouldnt have fumbled going in to beat the Cats, nobody is concerned about our RBs. Perception is everything and everyone only remembers the last play.

No, that's not true. I was unhappy with Eastwood almost from the start of the season.

In 2018, Eastwood averaged 4.1 per carry, had 9 TD's, lost only 15 yards, lost 1 fumble, and caught 30 passes for 133 yards.

In 2017, Calhoun averaged 4.3 per carry, had 7 TD's, lost only 20 yards, lost 4 fumbles, and caught 13 passes for 84 yards.

Hey critics. Is .2 yards more per carry worth 3 extra fumbles and 2 less TD's?

I too liked Calhoun more than Eastwood, but look at the facts and stats.

Interesting how different perception and facts can be. I certainly do hope Eastwood has a fabulous sophomore season. We shall see.

 

[uofmman1122]

I brought up the comparison months ago between what Calhoun averaged last year (and essentially his entire career) and the seemingly identical stats that Eastwood put up last year, in a thread where people were shitting on Adam, and it was completely ignored.

From the day after Cat/Griz:

RUSHING...................GP......Att...Gain........Loss....Net.....Avg...TD...Long....Avg/G....TD/Att
EASTWOOD, Adam....11......125...529........15.......514.....4.1....9....68.......46.7.......0.072
CALHOUN, Jeremy.....4.......41.....209........3.........206.....5.0....2....22.......51.5.......0.049
LEE, Alijah.................9.......30.....113........8.........105.....3.5....1....20.......11.7.......0.033

I think Calhoun is certainly the better back, but the people acting like Eastwood is terrible are just silly.

For comparison, here's Calhoun's stats from 2015-2017:
GP.....Att.....Gain.....Loss...Net.....Avg.....TD.....Long.....Avg/G.....TD/Att
31.....335.....1588.....58.....1530....4.6.....25.....65........49.3........0.075

Apart from the average per rush, that looks pretty dang close to Eastwood this year.

Not trying to toot my own horn or anything, just showing that the "Eastwood sucks" takes are just as terrible now as they were a few months ago.

 

[SoldierGriz]

The o-line was pretty good in 2017. Who do you give credit to for that?

Germer came with Stitt, so you can't really blame him for not having o-line seniors on the team last fall.

Do you blame Germer for the o-line injuries and departures that affected last fall? Someone else can probably name all of them off the top of their head.

I thought Germer cobbled together a fairly credible o-line for all or most games this year. Two walk-ons. One player who started the season on d-line and hasn't played o-line at UM.

Perhaps you should be praising Germer for doing such of good job of dealing with multiple injuries and departures. Germer was my MVP coach on the UM coaching staff for last fall.

I 100% agree here. Can't understand how anyone can blame Germer. He worked wonders with that oline last year.

That is his job. I assume he also has responsibility for recruiting, building depth, and teaching toughness. He is not new...he is "playing with his guys." We'll see how much he can contribute to RTD starting this season. Jury is out IMO.

He wasn't working with "his guys". He wasn't the coach when seniors were being recruited, and then they all moved on. He didn't cause all of the guys to leave or get hurt.

He did his job, actually quite well.

Let's see you address last year's o-line, and all the guys that got hurt or moved on.

Pls step up and provide something of substance. No opinions. No made up conclusions. Give us some substance for a change.

He had his fingerprints on the vast majority of the players on the o-line last season. Players leaving? Seems a position coach could influence some of those decisions. Injuries - yep, they happen. Position coaches build depth. If he got rolled by Stitt when recruiting the bigs then hat says something about his influence as well.

If he doesn't get any shade for o-line issues last season, then he also gets no props for the successes of 2017 because many of them were clearly "not his guys."

Let's just agree he owns all of it this season. We'll see.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Germer worked absolute miracles with our O Line last season and is one of the best O Line coaches in the conference if not all of FCS. We are lucky to have him.

Eastwood was an absolute stud for a freshman. His stats back that up as well. Can’t wait to see him kick ass for 3 more years. Doing what he did behind our O Line was damn near miraculous as well.

Post a link to Germer's post season accolades. If he did as you say, surely it was recognized or written about.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Germer worked absolute miracles with our O Line last season and is one of the best O Line coaches in the conference if not all of FCS. We are lucky to have him.

Eastwood was an absolute stud for a freshman. His stats back that up as well. Can’t wait to see him kick ass for 3 more years. Doing what he did behind our O Line was damn near miraculous as well.

Post a link to Germer's post season accolades. If he did as you say, surely it was recognized or written about.

I didn’t know post season accolades represented a good coach from a bad. If so our entire staff must suck ass.

Try going to some practices, watching what he does, and talking to O Line guys (past and present) who know a lot more than us.

 

[reinell30]

I am all about Eastwood showing me he is going to be great. However, at this point I didn't see that last year even though he was a redshirt freshman. I have no problem admitting I am wrong!

The stats listed in an earlier post, I would like to see those compared against' Chase Reynolds or Yohancy Humphries just for geewiz.

 

[garizzalies]

I brought up the comparison months ago between what Calhoun averaged last year (and essentially his entire career) and the seemingly identical stats that Eastwood put up last year, in a thread where people were shitting on Adam, and it was completely ignored.

From the day after Cat/Griz:

RUSHING...................GP......Att...Gain........Loss....Net.....Avg...TD...Long....Avg/G....TD/Att
EASTWOOD, Adam....11......125...529........15.......514.....4.1....9....68.......46.7.......0.072
CALHOUN, Jeremy.....4.......41.....209........3.........206.....5.0....2....22.......51.5.......0.049
LEE, Alijah.................9.......30.....113........8.........105.....3.5....1....20.......11.7.......0.033

I think Calhoun is certainly the better back, but the people acting like Eastwood is terrible are just silly.

For comparison, here's Calhoun's stats from 2015-2017:
GP.....Att.....Gain.....Loss...Net.....Avg.....TD.....Long.....Avg/G.....TD/Att
31.....335.....1588.....58.....1530....4.6.....25.....65........49.3........0.075

Apart from the average per rush, that looks pretty dang close to Eastwood this year.

Not trying to toot my own horn or anything, just showing that the "Eastwood sucks" takes are just as terrible now as they were a few months ago.

Yes good post(s). I can’t believe we have to rehash this every 3 weeks. Egriz is not only bipolar, but has dementia, too. A bad combo.
For his freshman year, gogriz claims Calhoun had 291 rushing yards (in 10 games) and “ His 291 yards is the third-most by a true freshman in UM history.”
Eastwood had 514 (in11 games).

 

[mtgrizfankb]

I am all about Eastwood showing me he is going to be great. However, at this point I didn't see that last year even though he was a redshirt freshman. I have no problem admitting I am wrong!

The stats listed in an earlier post, I would like to see those compared against' Chase Reynolds or Yohancy Humphries just for geewiz.

I picked this year because he attempts were closest to eastwood this year. but this was chase's senior year.
2010 Chase Reynolds: GP:11 AT:191 Yards:982 TDs:8 Long:59 Average:5.1 YPG: 89.3

Also...yall out here looking for Chase or Yohancy. They were two of the best backs in our history....We aren't gonna have that every year! Last years stats for Eastwood were good for a FCS back with only 150ish carries. Sure we would all love an amazing back every year..but I don't think we can expect that. Also the scheme is different...and blocking is much different. Give Eastwood this second year and well see if he improves or diminishes with the new backs incoming and another year of experience.

 

[PlayerRep]

Germer worked absolute miracles with our O Line last season and is one of the best O Line coaches in the conference if not all of FCS. We are lucky to have him.

Eastwood was an absolute stud for a freshman. His stats back that up as well. Can’t wait to see him kick ass for 3 more years. Doing what he did behind our O Line was damn near miraculous as well.

Post a link to Germer's post season accolades. If he did as you say, surely it was recognized or written about.

Feel free to post a link to anything official supporting your view on Germer. Surely, if you believe what you said, others in the know must have recognized your view as such.

Feel free to talk to Bobby or the other coaches about how Germer did last fall. That's where much of my view comes from.

 

[PlayerRep]

I am all about Eastwood showing me he is going to be great. However, at this point I didn't see that last year even though he was a redshirt freshman. I have no problem admitting I am wrong!

The stats listed in an earlier post, I would like to see those compared against' Chase Reynolds or Yohancy Humphries just for geewiz.

My recollection is that Reynolds had zero yards rushing, because he didn't play as a frosh.

As a frosh, Yo had 51 carries for 232 yards. 4.5 per carry. 2 TD's.

So, of the 3, which one had the best frosh year?

 

[AZDoc]

I think part of the argument here is that you have a senior RB that was able to find the hole and "do what a RB does", push the pile etc. Freshman RB learning how to do some of that, with again, stats being misleading. Adam had some nice longer runs mixed in that contributed to his overall ypc, but very frequently went down without much of a fight as he missed an opening that may have been there. I don't think he will be an all time great, or even THE feature guy, but will be solid as a #2 or change up guy in the receiving aspect. Hoping the JuCo kid or an FBS drop down will become the feature guy and can use the others in a way to utilize their skill sets better.

 

[reinell30]

I am all about Eastwood showing me he is going to be great. However, at this point I didn't see that last year even though he was a redshirt freshman. I have no problem admitting I am wrong!

The stats listed in an earlier post, I would like to see those compared against' Chase Reynolds or Yohancy Humphries just for geewiz.

My recollection is that Reynolds had zero yards rushing, because he didn't play as a frosh.

As a frosh, Yo had 51 carries for 232 yards. 4.5 per carry. 2 TD's.

So, of the 3, which one had the best frosh year?

I can't believe Eastwood will ever have the stats of a chase or Yo or Lex or a Canada or etc.... I hope I am wrong!

 

[grizindabox]

I am all about Eastwood showing me he is going to be great. However, at this point I didn't see that last year even though he was a redshirt freshman. I have no problem admitting I am wrong!

The stats listed in an earlier post, I would like to see those compared against' Chase Reynolds or Yohancy Humphries just for geewiz.

My recollection is that Reynolds had zero yards rushing, because he didn't play as a frosh.

As a frosh, Yo had 51 carries for 232 yards. 4.5 per carry. 2 TD's.

So, of the 3, which one had the best frosh year?

I can't believe Eastwood will ever have the stats of a chase or Yo or Lex or a Canada or etc.... I hope I am wrong!

Or a Calhoun....amirite?

 

[SoldierGriz]

Germer worked absolute miracles with our O Line last season and is one of the best O Line coaches in the conference if not all of FCS. We are lucky to have him.

Eastwood was an absolute stud for a freshman. His stats back that up as well. Can’t wait to see him kick ass for 3 more years. Doing what he did behind our O Line was damn near miraculous as well.

Post a link to Germer's post season accolades. If he did as you say, surely it was recognized or written about.

I didn’t know post season accolades represented a good coach from a bad. If so our entire staff must suck ass.

Try going to some practices, watching what he does, and talking to O Line guys (past and present) who know a lot more than us.

Results matter. Obviously the majority of the staff will enter their second season. This is not true for Germer.

The Griz are and have been so far from having a dominant o-line, it is obvious. Germer leads that unit with the guys he recruited - mostly.

Ask yourself - is the on-line better now than they have been since his arrival? What level of confidence do you have that they will improve over the next season or 2? How well does the Griz o -line compare in conference or with elite FCS Programs? Can Germer return the unit to dominance - producing multiple All Americans and putting guys into the league or the potential to do so?

Can the unit produce a game winning TD from the goal line with time running down with the season on the line?

You have a lot of confidence. I see little evidence. I want to have your confidence.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

I am all about Eastwood showing me he is going to be great. However, at this point I didn't see that last year even though he was a redshirt freshman. I have no problem admitting I am wrong!

The stats listed in an earlier post, I would like to see those compared against' Chase Reynolds or Yohancy Humphries just for geewiz.

My recollection is that Reynolds had zero yards rushing, because he didn't play as a frosh.

As a frosh, Yo had 51 carries for 232 yards. 4.5 per carry. 2 TD's.

So, of the 3, which one had the best frosh year?

I can't believe Eastwood will ever have the stats of a chase or Yo or Lex or a Canada or etc.... I hope I am wrong!

so for instance...Jordan Canada his senior year carried the ball 215 times. So Eastwood had 57.8% of the carries JC did. So if you take JC's stats...at 125 carries (what Eastwood got this year) his stats would be. 690 yards, 6 TDs, 5.5 ypc, 62YPG over 11 games. Once again when JC was a SENIOR. JC as a freshman was very similar in stat line as Eastwood 115 carries, 580 yards, 9 TDs, 5.1YPC, 44.6 YPG.

Eastwood also had 30 receptions this year for 150+ yards. over double the receiving production we got out of Canada, Hilliard, Yo...etc. Eastwood brought us a lot of versatility this year

 

[HookedonGriz]

I am all about Eastwood showing me he is going to be great. However, at this point I didn't see that last year even though he was a redshirt freshman. I have no problem admitting I am wrong!

The stats listed in an earlier post, I would like to see those compared against' Chase Reynolds or Yohancy Humphries just for geewiz.

My recollection is that Reynolds had zero yards rushing, because he didn't play as a frosh.

As a frosh, Yo had 51 carries for 232 yards. 4.5 per carry. 2 TD's.

So, of the 3, which one had the best frosh year?

I can't believe Eastwood will ever have the stats of a chase or Yo or Lex or a Canada or etc.... I hope I am wrong!

so for instance...Jordan Canada his senior year carried the ball 215 times. So Eastwood had 57.8% of the carries JC did. So if you take JC's stats...at 125 carries (what Eastwood got this year) his stats would be. 690 yards, 6 TDs, 5.5 ypc, 62YPG over 11 games. Once again when JC was a SENIOR. JC as a freshman was very similar in stat line as Eastwood 115 carries, 580 yards, 9 TDs, 5.1YPC, 44.6 YPG.

Eastwood also had 30 receptions this year for 150+ yards. over double the receiving production we got out of Canada, Hilliard, Yo...etc. Eastwood brought us a lot of versatility this year

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Germer worked absolute miracles with our O Line last season and is one of the best O Line coaches in the conference if not all of FCS. We are lucky to have him.

Eastwood was an absolute stud for a freshman. His stats back that up as well. Can’t wait to see him kick ass for 3 more years. Doing what he did behind our O Line was damn near miraculous as well.

Post a link to Germer's post season accolades. If he did as you say, surely it was recognized or written about.

I didn’t know post season accolades represented a good coach from a bad. If so our entire staff must suck ass.

Try going to some practices, watching what he does, and talking to O Line guys (past and present) who know a lot more than us.

Results matter. Obviously the majority of the staff will enter their second season. This is not true for Germer.

The Griz are and have been so far from having a dominant o-line, it is obvious. Germer leads that unit with the guys he recruited - mostly.

Ask yourself - is the on-line better now than they have been since his arrival? What level of confidence do you have that they will improve over the next season or 2? How well does the Griz o -line compare in conference or with elite FCS Programs? Can Germer return the unit to dominance - producing multiple All Americans and putting guys into the league or the potential to do so?

Can the unit produce a game winning TD from the goal line with time running down with the season on the line?

You have a lot of confidence. I see little evidence. I want to have your confidence.

My confidence comes from watching what he was able to do with a hodge podge, patch work O Line this last season. That alone was an absolute miracle that I’m not sure Jesus himself could have pulled off. Our O Line was thrown together with guys who have never played it at this level and have never played it all all (second string and third string guys with little to no experience) and made them more than serviceable. The Griz averaged 4.9 ypc last year and 165 yards per game on the ground. Were they all world, hell no. Were they 10x better than all of us expected, hell yes. That feat alone gets him instant credibility.

 

[reinell30]

Post a link to Germer's post season accolades. If he did as you say, surely it was recognized or written about.

I didn’t know post season accolades represented a good coach from a bad. If so our entire staff must suck ass.

Try going to some practices, watching what he does, and talking to O Line guys (past and present) who know a lot more than us.

Results matter. Obviously the majority of the staff will enter their second season. This is not true for Germer.

The Griz are and have been so far from having a dominant o-line, it is obvious. Germer leads that unit with the guys he recruited - mostly.

Ask yourself - is the on-line better now than they have been since his arrival? What level of confidence do you have that they will improve over the next season or 2? How well does the Griz o -line compare in conference or with elite FCS Programs? Can Germer return the unit to dominance - producing multiple All Americans and putting guys into the league or the potential to do so?

Can the unit produce a game winning TD from the goal line with time running down with the season on the line?

You have a lot of confidence. I see little evidence. I want to have your confidence.

My confidence comes from watching what he was able to do with a hodge podge, patch work O Line this last season. That alone was an absolute miracle that I’m not sure Jesus himself could have pulled off. Our O Line was thrown together with guys who have never played it at this level and have never played it all all (second string and third string guys with little to no experience) and made them more than serviceable. The Griz averaged 4.9 ypc last year and 165 yards per game on the ground. Were they all world, hell no. Were they 10x better than all of us expected, hell yes. That feat alone gets him instant credibility.

Most of the rushing yards were from Sneed, not the RB's. I wish we could have had Calhoun for the entire season just to see how he would have ended his career behind this patch o-line. Hind sight is always 20-20 I guess.
You guys put up a good argument for Eastwood and I hope you are right and he is something special.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Post a link to Germer's post season accolades. If he did as you say, surely it was recognized or written about.

I didn’t know post season accolades represented a good coach from a bad. If so our entire staff must suck ass.

Try going to some practices, watching what he does, and talking to O Line guys (past and present) who know a lot more than us.

Results matter. Obviously the majority of the staff will enter their second season. This is not true for Germer.

The Griz are and have been so far from having a dominant o-line, it is obvious. Germer leads that unit with the guys he recruited - mostly.

Ask yourself - is the on-line better now than they have been since his arrival? What level of confidence do you have that they will improve over the next season or 2? How well does the Griz o -line compare in conference or with elite FCS Programs? Can Germer return the unit to dominance - producing multiple All Americans and putting guys into the league or the potential to do so?

Can the unit produce a game winning TD from the goal line with time running down with the season on the line?

You have a lot of confidence. I see little evidence. I want to have your confidence.

My confidence comes from watching what he was able to do with a hodge podge, patch work O Line this last season. That alone was an absolute miracle that I’m not sure Jesus himself could have pulled off. Our O Line was thrown together with guys who have never played it at this level and have never played it all all (second string and third string guys with little to no experience) and made them more than serviceable. The Griz averaged 4.9 ypc last year and 165 yards per game on the ground. Were they all world, hell no. Were they 10x better than all of us expected, hell yes. That feat alone gets him instant credibility.

I don't disagree with the above. But, essentially he solved a problem he had a hand in creating. He had adequate time in the Program to build a serviceable 2-deep. Injuries are satisfactory reasons, but departures are not excusable IMO. Position coaches matter - players will stay for them.

Choach doesn't get a pass on here for not having a QB. It's the same thing.

He'll have credibility when he produces an elite o-line - widely recognized as the best in the league and among the best in the nation. Writers used to pen stories about Griz o-lines. They were feared. They produced results. They coined DOLA. That slogan should be banned until earned.

We'll find out this season when 100% of those playing the position are his and his alone.

I'll apologize right here if the Griz produce a truly dominant o-line in the next 2 years.

 

[PlayerRep]

I 100% agree here. Can't understand how anyone can blame Germer. He worked wonders with that oline last year.

That is his job. I assume he also has responsibility for recruiting, building depth, and teaching toughness. He is not new...he is "playing with his guys." We'll see how much he can contribute to RTD starting this season. Jury is out IMO.

He wasn't working with "his guys". He wasn't the coach when seniors were being recruited, and then they all moved on. He didn't cause all of the guys to leave or get hurt.

He did his job, actually quite well.

Let's see you address last year's o-line, and all the guys that got hurt or moved on.

Pls step up and provide something of substance. No opinions. No made up conclusions. Give us some substance for a change.

He had his fingerprints on the vast majority of the players on the o-line last season. Players leaving? Seems a position coach could influence some of those decisions. Injuries - yep, they happen. Position coaches build depth. If he got rolled by Stitt when recruiting the bigs then hat says something about his influence as well.

If he doesn't get any shade for o-line issues last season, then he also gets no props for the successes of 2017 because many of them were clearly "not his guys."

Let's just agree he owns all of it this season. We'll see.

When there are significant injuries and players who were counted on leave the program, then those things have to be taken into account. It just isn't true that a coach "has all of his players", when some are injured or gone.

In my view, as I said, Germer did a very good job with what he had left.

Having one's own guys is only part of the mix. A big part is what you do with the guys you have, or have left. And with the guys you develop as lineman, after they switch position.