An email I sent to Royce Engstrom today re:Mick Delaney

[BDizzle]

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You are failing miserably. But one must realize to never argue with PR. Even if you are right you will never be right...in his mind.

 

[GrizBacker04]

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You are failing miserably. But one must realize to never argue with PR. Even if you are right you will never be right...in his mind.

HA! Fair enough. Although, and I can say this as someone who worships the ground Ryne Sandberg walks on, arguing with PR is kind of like being a Cubs fan. Even though you know nothing good is going to come from it, you keep doing it anyways. Go Cubs Go!

 

[PTGrizzly]

My information is generally very good. Much of what you have said has been wrong, either factually or in my view.

And the #1 reason people hate Jack Mannequin..... :lol:

I always thought that everything was factually correct in his view. His opinion wins, every time.

 

[IntuitiveGriz]

All I KNOW is UM is in good (great actually) hands with Mick. I'm certainly biased of course, but nonetheless. He is a man of great integrity and discipline. A Montana guy thru and thru, with UM's best interest truely at heart. The players love him, and so do the fans (that have met him). 2012 is going to ROCK!

Go GRIZ

 

[tnt]

And the #1 reason people hate Jack Mannequin..... :lol:

Hate is a strong word.

After living in New York and California he did come to his senses and moved to Montana even if it was Great Falls. The rumors he was once a Cat Fan while his Nephew was there are unsubstantiated. I did have to buy new accounting software because of one of his Deals (Great Plains)and even though he appears to be a Venture Capitalist and is in part largely responsible for the economic status of the country and the shipping of jobs to parts unknown, he could show up at the first tailgate with an Obama bumper sticker across his mouth and redeem himself in that area. He makes a great playmate (rumors that being a playmate is how he got into Dartmouth are also unsubstantiated) i would gladly buy him a drink and would want him him my corner should I ever need his brand of law.

BUT I am still really pissed about that software, and they do make a Hemlock scotch that passes as a good single malt.

 

[PlayerRep]

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You are failing miserably. But one must realize to never argue with PR. Even if you are right you will never be right...in his mind.

Okay, feel free to point out anything of importance I've been wrong on.

 

[PlayerRep]

Just out of curiosity, outside of talking with people within the program, what credentials do you have do be a voice of reason for the Griz program? Outside of just repeating what they feel is best for them?

Finally if the extra year is so important to Delaney and staff, how was it that the UM football program was able to grow into such a powerful force and remain as such when the coaching staff was working on year-to-year contracts. Read, Dennehy, Glenn and Hauck early on must have been magicians in keeping things going saddled with such a disadvantage of a year-to-year contract.

So, do you think it's negative to talk to people within the program? Don't you think that's the best place to get information about the program?

When UM had year-to-year contracts, UM didn't have an "interim" coach who is 70 years old. You really don't get it, do you. With the year-to-year contracts, there was always an expectation that the contract would be renewed (assuming things went reasonably well). UM hasn't fired a football coach since Read came, have they?

 

[BDizzle]

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Since this is my first one, trying not to get too much pee on my shoes/pants. Not sure if I am accomplishing it, however.

You are failing miserably. But one must realize to never argue with PR. Even if you are right you will never be right...in his mind.

Okay, feel free to point out anything of importance I've been wrong on.

You know I'm just giving you a hard time. I never said you were wrong. Sometimes two people can be right without even knowing it.

 

[tnt]

Uh well at least one PR.....

Unless of course you admitting his contract wasn't renewed and that is not the same as being fired. Either way it appears you have made at least one mistake.

And a few wore out their welcome and left in the nick of time.

 

[PlayerRep]

Uh well at least one PR.....

Unless of course you admitting his contract wasn't renewed and that is not the same as being fired. Either way it appears you have made at least one mistake.

And a few wore out their welcome and left in the nick of time.

I don't understand what you are saying. Just guessing on what you are trying to say, no, I was not wrong. I was correct.

Who or what left in the nick of time? If you are talking about players leaving in the nick of time, I'm not aware of any who did that. One player involved in some of this was dismissed by Pflu in the spring of 2011.

 

[GrizBacker04]

Just out of curiosity, outside of talking with people within the program, what credentials do you have do be a voice of reason for the Griz program? Outside of just repeating what they feel is best for them?

Finally if the extra year is so important to Delaney and staff, how was it that the UM football program was able to grow into such a powerful force and remain as such when the coaching staff was working on year-to-year contracts. Read, Dennehy, Glenn and Hauck early on must have been magicians in keeping things going saddled with such a disadvantage of a year-to-year contract.

So, do you think it's negative to talk to people within the program? Don't you think that's the best place to get information about the program?

When UM had year-to-year contracts, UM didn't have an "interim" coach who is 70 years old. You really don't get it, do you. With the year-to-year contracts, there was always an expectation that the contract would be renewed (assuming things went reasonably well). UM hasn't fired a football coach since Read came, have they?

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I don't think it is negative at all. But that is one perspective and of course an assistant coach will want Delaney to be extended and then rattle off a bunch of reasons why (real or perceived). Just as I am sure if you talk to other staff members, they would like an internal candidate to emerge as AD, or someone with some ties back to the program, as with a new AD, change will happen. Whether it be personnel change, a change in the way things are done, a change in expectations, etc. It is much easier to accept the status quo then adapt to change.

And my point regarding year-to-year contracts is that having an interim coach for 6 months is not going to severely harm the program, just like it will not completely stabilize the program if Delaney gets an extra year. Even if you give Delaney through 2013, UM could still be looking for a new head coach/staff at that time. And the staff at UM is basically locked in through the year anyways, it is not like they are going to be leaving before the end of this season - at which point they will know definitively if they are going to remain at UM or be looking for a job. Although extending Delaney a year increases the odds some that he would get another extension, assuming the Griz win a lot of games...and that means he could then name someone as coach in waiting, like Rosenbach -- which again, would be what the current staff would want for job security but what possibly is not best for the program.

The biggest thing that will keep the program where it is at is to go out and win 9 football games, beat the Cats and then hope that nothing severe comes out of the trio of investigations. Which, in reference to the winning, as I have said before, is something that I believe Delaney, staff and the players will do. And if he does that, he has a step up on any candidate when UM hires their next head coach.

Also, so that means you are just going by what athletic department folks tell you. Have you worked in collegiate/professional/YMCA athletics?

 

[tnt]

Come on PR you said no coach has been fired since Don Read. Seems to me Pflu was. Even though technically not yet as he still has an office on campus. His contract was no renewed so wasn't really fired, but you have maintained he was. Which time were you wrong???

Bobby had worn out his welcome. Another failure in the play offs or another pissing contest with the press, or an other one with JOD would have been all it took. The hope was he would find a job first. I can't imagine he wanted to go to UNLV, but maybe he did......

 

[WaGriz4life]

The recruits Ohio State lost that PlayerRep mentioned (Anzalone, Neal, Jaylon Smith) are going to be Seniors in High School this fall. They were not committed during the time when Fickell's was interim Head Coach. Those guys left for reasons other than coaching stability, I'm sure they trust Urban Meyer will be at Ohio State for awhile. Kyle Kalis would be the example you're looking for, the nations #1 OT prospect. He committed to Ohio State when Fickell was named Head Coach after being recruited by Tressell and Fickell. Kalis decommitted when he realized there was a very good chance that Fickell would not be the Head Coach when he got there. Kalis committed to Brady Hoke at Michigan a couple months later.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Come on PR you said no coach has been fired since Don Read. Seems to me Pflu was. Even though technically not yet as he still has an office on campus. His contract was no renewed so wasn't really fired, but you have maintained he was. Which time were you wrong???

Bobby had worn out his welcome. Another failure in the play offs or another pissing contest with the press, or an other one with JOD would have been all it took. The hope was he would find a job first. I can't imagine he wanted to go to UNLV, but maybe he did......

Wow, you really have no clue. This might be the dumbest thing you've said on this board, but probably not.

 

[poorgriz]

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Since this is my first one, trying not to get too much pee on my shoes/pants. Not sure if I am accomplishing it, however.

You are failing miserably. But one must realize to never argue with PR. Even if you are right you will never be right...in his mind.

Of course not... and I will admit that he is right in a fairly high percentage of cases... but not even close to 100%. I'd say around 70%. He's been wrong about a lot of things... the BD rape, he said Quinn probably ws not drinking when he refused the breathalizer... and he thought Jimmy Wilson was just playing around when he bit that chick.

That being said... of course you're not going to win many arguments with this guy... he thinks it's his job to stalk the program and find inside scoops, then spew it all over this site. And from the looks of things... he treats it like a full time job. :lol:

 

[tnt]

Come on PR you said no coach has been fired since Don Read. Seems to me Pflu was. Even though technically not yet as he still has an office on campus. His contract was no renewed so wasn't really fired, but you have maintained he was. Which time were you wrong???

Bobby had worn out his welcome. Another failure in the play offs or another pissing contest with the press, or an other one with JOD would have been all it took. The hope was he would find a job first. I can't imagine he wanted to go to UNLV, but maybe he did......

Wow, you really have no clue. This might be the dumbest thing you've said on this board, but probably not.

I think you are the one out of touch. By and large there was little doubt that it was time for a change. There were a fair number of folks pretty darn unhappy when he didn't leave the year before(including him) He refused as you recall a three contract (one of the first offered) in2007 opting for year to year. Childish and belligerant to the community, press and JOD before, it got worse. He wasn't offered an other 3 year contract. winning record aside, it was time.

 

[PlayerRep]

Come on PR you said no coach has been fired since Don Read. Seems to me Pflu was. Even though technically not yet as he still has an office on campus. His contract was no renewed so wasn't really fired, but you have maintained he was. Which time were you wrong???

Bobby had worn out his welcome. Another failure in the play offs or another pissing contest with the press, or an other one with JOD would have been all it took. The hope was he would find a job first. I can't imagine he wanted to go to UNLV, but maybe he did......

Nope, Pflu and O'Day were fired. If they hadn't been fired, they would still be the head coach and O'Day. I believe all of the recent media coverage refers to them being fired or terminated. Again, you're wrong.

 

[tnt]

Come on PR you said no coach has been fired since Don Read. Seems to me Pflu was. Even though technically not yet as he still has an office on campus. His contract was no renewed so wasn't really fired, but you have maintained he was. Which time were you wrong???

Bobby had worn out his welcome. Another failure in the play offs or another pissing contest with the press, or an other one with JOD would have been all it took. The hope was he would find a job first. I can't imagine he wanted to go to UNLV, but maybe he did......

Nope, Pflu and O'Day were fired. If they hadn't been fired, they would still be the head coach and O'Day. I believe all of the recent media coverage refers to them being fired or terminated. Again, you're wrong.

When UM had year-to-year contracts, UM didn't have an "interim" coach who is 70 years old. You really don't get it, do you. With the year-to-year contracts, there was always an expectation that the contract would be renewed (assuming things went reasonably well). UM hasn't fired a football coach since Read came, have they?

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So now you are claiming double entendre and sarcasm. So even though you were wrong, now you are right, and I am wrong.....

To think I was nice to you once today and almost twice......

So smoke this one The University of Montana has NEVER one a National Title with a Coach who had more than a One year Contract.

I guess that would mean if we keep giving Mick 8 month contracts, that by the time he is 75, he will have won 3 titles.

BTW, Read was 71 when AD here, cleaned up a pretty good mess.....

 

[PlayerRep]

The recruits Ohio State lost that PlayerRep mentioned (Anzalone, Neal, Jaylon Smith) are going to be Seniors in High School this fall. They were not committed during the time when Fickell's was interim Head Coach. Those guys left for reasons other than coaching stability, I'm sure they trust Urban Meyer will be at Ohio State for awhile. Kyle Kalis would be the example you're looking for, the nations #1 OT prospect. He committed to Ohio State when Fickell was named Head Coach after being recruited by Tressell and Fickell. Kalis decommitted when he realized there was a very good chance that Fickell would not be the Head Coach when he got there. Kalis committed to Brady Hoke at Michigan a couple months later.

It doesn't matter what year they are; it's matters when they were being recruited. Kalis was still a commit to Ohio St, but de-committed while they had an interim coach. "After Tressel departed, Kalis pledged to remain with the Buckeyes, but instead made the switch to the arch-rival Michigan Wolverines." Ejaun Price was a 2011 commit, but asked for his release. I assume he left. If someone of Meyer's stature comes to UM, that would help the recruiting.