All teams advancing to tourney is stupid

[Grisly Fan]

As its been said before. all teams advancing to the conference tourney is a stupid idea. Case in point, the Oregon State Women (24-7) had beaten UW (11-20) twice, 78-67 and 86-39 yet in the PAC-12 tourney UW pulled of a last second miracle and won 68-67. Good for UW but OSU Women have been considered a Sweet-16 team and now their seeding in the NCAA tourney is in doubt. Yes, they will still get a bid but benefit of the entire season of good play gets severely dented. To me that is dumb. One thing that has also been noted and seems to remain true is that it really hard to beat a team (including a not very good one) three times in a row.

 

[grizindabox]

Continuing the tone of another thread...who cares, it is a women's sport. But my take is opposite, if a Conference has a tourney, then every Conference member should have the opportunity to participate. As for the "it really hard to beat a team (including a not very good one) three times in a row" argument...total hokum.

 

[IdaGriz01]

... if a Conference has a tourney, then every Conference member should have the opportunity to participate. ...

Honest question: Why?

Counter-point: Letting every team in devalues the regular season. Sure, the best teams get a bye (or byes, in a few cases) but that's not much of a reward for a full season of work. Shouldn't there be some level of needing to earn your way into the post-season?

FWIW, most conferences agree with you. So far, fifteen conferences have started, or at least seeded their tournaments. Only six of those (less than half) left anyone out. The America East, Atlantic Sun, and Summit each dropped one. The Horizon and Northeast each dropped two. The Ohio Valley is the only big hitter ... they dropped the four worst teams out of the 12 in the conference. So all told, out of about 150 teams in those conferences, only 11 have been excluded. (The MEAC lost one -- Florida A&M -- due to APR problems.)

 

[Big Sage]

Maybe we can beat PSU, if they already beat us twice

 

[grizindabox]

... if a Conference has a tourney, then every Conference member should have the opportunity to participate. ...

Honest question: Why?

Counter-point: Letting every team in devalues the regular season. Sure, the best teams get a bye (or byes, in a few cases) but that's not much of a reward for a full season of work. Shouldn't there be some level of needing to earn your way into the post-season?

FWIW, most conferences agree with you. So far, fifteen conferences have started, or at least seeded their tournaments. Only six of those (less than half) left anyone out. The America East, Atlantic Sun, and Summit each dropped one. The Horizon and Northeast each dropped two. The Ohio Valley is the only big hitter ... they dropped the four worst teams out of the 12 in the conference. So all told, out of about 150 teams in those conferences, only 11 have been excluded. (The MEAC lost one -- Florida A&M -- due to APR problems.)

I just feel that if a Conference has a tournament than all members of that Conference should get to participate. It should be a perk of being a member, especially in a lower tier conference. I think the rub is how Conferences setup their tournament. The WCC is now working to protect the top 2 teams in an effort to get the best team to win, which should be the model of all low tier conferences. As for the P5 Conferences, I will lose zero sleep over the situation noted by the OP, as they take so many teams, that OSU loss will mean little. As for earning your way, if you can go in and win 4 games in 4-5 days, I would say you earned it.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Continuing the tone of another thread...who cares, it is a women's sport. But my take is opposite, if a Conference has a tourney, then every Conference member should have the opportunity to participate. As for the "it really hard to beat a team (including a not very good one) three times in a row" argument...total hokum.

Ah, the "participation ribbon" mentality. How, uh, contemporary. As for three in a row, I at least offer one data point which is infinitely more than your nothing. Thanks for participating in the conversation though!

 

[grizindabox]

Continuing the tone of another thread...who cares, it is a women's sport. But my take is opposite, if a Conference has a tourney, then every Conference member should have the opportunity to participate. As for the "it really hard to beat a team (including a not very good one) three times in a row" argument...total hokum.

Ah, the "participation ribbon" mentality. How, uh, contemporary. As for three in a row, I at least offer one data point which is infinitely more than your nothing. Thanks for participating in the conversation though!

You must really hate this time of year and all the mention of "Cinderella". And for the record, participation is the reason to be a member of a Conference.

 

[Proud Griz Man]

I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree. There should be a logical methodology that makes the regular season conference games meaningful, and something like the highest six teams should advance to the tournament and be seeded according to their performance/record. The bottom teams have not demonstrated a sufficient performance to participate in the Tourney. Flame away helicopter parents. :fuel: :fuel: :fuel: uke:

I just feel that if a Conference has a tournament than all members of that Conference should get to participate. It should be a perk of being a member, especially in a lower tier conference. I think the rub is how Conferences setup their tournament. The WCC is now working to protect the top 2 teams in an effort to get the best team to win, which should be the model of all low tier conferences. As for the P5 Conferences, I will lose zero sleep over the situation noted by the OP, as they take so many teams, that OSU loss will mean little. As for earning your way, if you can go in and win 4 games in 4-5 days, I would say you earned it.

 

[grizindabox]

I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree. There should be a logical methodology that makes the regular season conference games meaningful, and something like the highest six teams should advance to the tournament and be seeded according to their performance/record. The bottom teams have not demonstrated a sufficient performance to participate in the Tourney. Flame away helicopter parents. :fuel: :fuel: :fuel: uke:

I just feel that if a Conference has a tournament than all members of that Conference should get to participate. It should be a perk of being a member, especially in a lower tier conference. I think the rub is how Conferences setup their tournament. The WCC is now working to protect the top 2 teams in an effort to get the best team to win, which should be the model of all low tier conferences. As for the P5 Conferences, I will lose zero sleep over the situation noted by the OP, as they take so many teams, that OSU loss will mean little. As for earning your way, if you can go in and win 4 games in 4-5 days, I would say you earned it.

I have said numerous times the tourney setup should be different. The easiest is the top 2 don't play until the semifinals. But if we want the regular season to mean more, then don't have a tournament.

 

[cmtgrizzly]

I am not going to bother arguing who should get to participate in the tourney but everyone does get an opportunity to play in the tourney whether they get to participate in it or not. It is called the regular season.

 

[IdaGriz01]

I am not going to bother arguing who should get to participate in the tourney but everyone does get an opportunity to play in the tourney whether they get to participate in it or not. It is called the regular season.

Bingo! :thumb: :thumb:

 

[grizindabox]

I am not going to bother arguing who should get to participate in the tourney but everyone does get an opportunity to play in the tourney whether they get to participate in it or not. It is called the regular season.

Bingo! :thumb: :thumb:

Meh

 

[fanofzoo]

Lets have a conference tournament where everyone plays everyone else twice and the winner gets to go to the dance.
Wait...
That's the regular season, reward people for hard work not luck at the end.

Tournament should be top 6 teams, hell I would kick out the bottom 6 teams of the league.

and the regular season champs host.

 

[marceagfan5]

I respect your opinion, but respectfully disagree. There should be a logical methodology that makes the regular season conference games meaningful, and something like the highest six teams should advance to the tournament and be seeded according to their performance/record. The bottom teams have not demonstrated a sufficient performance to participate in the Tourney. Flame away helicopter parents. :fuel: :fuel: :fuel: uke:

I just feel that if a Conference has a tournament than all members of that Conference should get to participate. It should be a perk of being a member, especially in a lower tier conference. I think the rub is how Conferences setup their tournament. The WCC is now working to protect the top 2 teams in an effort to get the best team to win, which should be the model of all low tier conferences. As for the P5 Conferences, I will lose zero sleep over the situation noted by the OP, as they take so many teams, that OSU loss will mean little. As for earning your way, if you can go in and win 4 games in 4-5 days, I would say you earned it.

The Big Sky should do whats best to protect its top teams to help them make it to the NCAA tourney (regular season champ should host), but I don't think leaving some teams out changes that. Say the big sky goes to 8 teams instead of 11 for the tourney, what change does that make for the top teams? Nothing, they still have to win 3 games to win it all...and no offense if adding 11 seed Idaho worries you or you lose to them, well you don't deserve the bid anyways.

Also, its not like adding everyone to the tourney has hurt the conference. Didn't the 1 seed win in Reno every year? When was the last time the first or 2nd seed didn't win the Big Sky conference? I believe its been more than 10 years...