All-Big Sky preseason teams podcast

[EverettGriz]

When people say they prefer the written articles, I get it. I do too. Sadly, we are in the minority.

It is entirely fair, though, for Colter to object to people who accuse him of not covering it. He doesn't write articles, really. In the way that he covers the Big Sky Conference, he has discussed it. And he has probably given more total discussion to it than anyone else. So even though we may prefer media in written form, you really can't say that "he didn't cover it." He did, in the way that they cover everything.

I object to anyone in media who is not continuing to cover it, not continuing to MsdUi push for answers.

I have no issues with Coulter if he doesn’t claim to be a reporter. But in either event, I’m still astounded he’s not talking about this issue daily, as it’s the largest sports story of the year, and MsdUi is trying to bury it. That’s worthy of regular discussion whether you’re a beat reporter, an investigative journalist or a podcaster.

 

[thirdandlong]

When people say they prefer the written articles, I get it. I do too. Sadly, we are in the minority.

It is entirely fair, though, for Colter to object to people who accuse him of not covering it. He doesn't write articles, really. In the way that he covers the Big Sky Conference, he has discussed it. And he has probably given more total discussion to it than anyone else. So even though we may prefer media in written form, you really can't say that "he didn't cover it." He did, in the way that they cover everything.

I object to anyone in media who is not continuing to cover it, not continuing to MsdUi push for answers.

I have no issues with Coulter if he doesn’t claim to be a reporter. But in either event, I’m still astounded he’s not talking about this issue daily, as it’s the largest sports story of the year, and MsdUi is trying to bury it. That’s worthy of regular discussion whether you’re a beat reporter, an investigative journalist or a podcaster.

Why don't you spend more time obsessing about why our team finishes 6th in the conference, instead of obsessing about MSU? Jeeez, give it a freaking rest dude!

 

[CDAGRIZ]

It’s Day 243 since Montana State University’s Defensive Coordinator was pulled over for drunkenly speeding down Main Street. That’s 243 days of that sweet taxpayer money. According to reports, Garza was arrested going 45 in a 25 on Main, taken to the hospital where he puked, and allowed to coach in practice thereafter. His court hearing in June was continued to August. We will continue to never ask questions or do any sort of research whatsoever regarding this matter. We could ask questions; questions like: “How do you explain your handling of this matter involving the same guy versus Wyoming’s?” or “Why did he get a raise with criminal charges pending?” But, we will not. MSU has said that it does not discuss personnel matters, and we will blindly believe that these are personnel matters rather than state-funded administrative policy matters. For the laziest press this side of North Korea, I’m Dirk Whitehead. Empress Waded, back to you.

 

[SoldierGriz]

It’s Day 243 of since Montana State University’s Defensive Coordinator was pulled over for drunkenly speeding down Main Street. That’s 243 days of that sweet taxpayer money. According to reports, Garza was arrested going 45 in a 25 on Main, taken to the hospital where he puked, and allowed to coach in practice thereafter. His court hearing in June was continued to August. We will continue to never ask questions or do any sort of research whatsoever regarding this matter. We could ask questions; questions like: “How do you explain your handling of this matter involving the same guy versus Wyoming’s?” or “Why did he get a raise with criminal charges pending?” But, we will not. MSU has said that it does not discuss personnel matters, and we will blindly believe that these are personnel matters rather than state-funded administrative policy matters. For the laziest press this side of North Korea, I’m Dirk Whitehead. Empress Waded, back to you.

Excellent reporting Dirk.

The variance question is rock-solid journalism. Recommended question for tomorrow - what is the program bar for a coach to be suspended with pay pending adjudication of a case? Felonies?

 

[EverettGriz]

I object to anyone in media who is not continuing to cover it, not continuing to MsdUi push for answers.

I have no issues with Coulter if he doesn’t claim to be a reporter. But in either event, I’m still astounded he’s not talking about this issue daily, as it’s the largest sports story of the year, and MsdUi is trying to bury it. That’s worthy of regular discussion whether you’re a beat reporter, an investigative journalist or a podcaster.

Why don't you spend more time obsessing about why our team finishes 6th in the conference, instead of obsessing about MSU? Jeeez, give it a freaking rest dude!

I dunno. Perhaps it's because I believe there are a few things in the world more important than football scores. Perhaps it's just to piss you off. I'd go with one of those two if I had to choose. Maybe a combination.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Well not all bakers bake the same items, or doctors doctor the same ailments, or coaches coach the same disciplines, etc. etc. etc....

Granted. But SOME reporter should report. SOME journalist should journal. And since this is the largest sports story in years, you’d think they’d all want the scoop.

Again, if Coulter prefers to be a piece-writer, fine. That’s his prerogative of course. Just don’t claim to be a journalist. Dave Berry writes a newspaper column, but he’ll never be called a journalist.

Is it really the biggest sports story in years? Idk. I hate the cats but that could be a stretch. It would have been way cooler if he would have wrecked his motorcycle with his mistress volleyball coach girlfriend on the back in my opinion

 

[EverettGriz]

Granted. But SOME reporter should report. SOME journalist should journal. And since this is the largest sports story in years, you’d think they’d all want the scoop.

Again, if Coulter prefers to be a piece-writer, fine. That’s his prerogative of course. Just don’t claim to be a journalist. Dave Berry writes a newspaper column, but he’ll never be called a journalist.

Is it really the biggest sports story in years? Idk. I hate the cats but that could be a stretch. It would have been way cooler if he would have wrecked his motorcycle with his mistress volleyball coach girlfriend on the back in my opinion

Well, sure. But unfortunately we cannot choose our largest sports stories. They choose us.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Is it really the biggest sports story in years? Idk. I hate the cats but that could be a stretch. It would have been way cooler if he would have wrecked his motorcycle with his mistress volleyball coach girlfriend on the back in my opinion

Well, sure. But unfortunately we cannot choose our largest sports stories. They choose us.

What would make it the largest sports story? If MSU actually does the right thing and fires the guy? We still don’t know if that’s not the route they’re choosing right? I think they’re just making sure they don’t get sued before they can the coach.

 

[bgbigdog]

Well, sure. But unfortunately we cannot choose our largest sports stories. They choose us.

What would make it the largest sports story? If MSU actually does the right thing and fires the guy? We still don’t know if that’s not the route they’re choosing right? I think they’re just making sure they don’t get sued before they can the coach.

I only play a lawyer on TV, but the dotting I's and crossing T's part here makes all kinds of sense if I were handling things in bozeman. Though I would still bet unless there is a huge public outcry, coach Trick-ass is calling defenses this season because it isn't about doing anything more than not getting sued over there.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

What would make it the largest sports story? If MSU actually does the right thing and fires the guy? We still don’t know if that’s not the route they’re choosing right? I think they’re just making sure they don’t get sued before they can the coach.

I only play a lawyer on TV, but the dotting I's and crossing T's part here makes all kinds of sense if I were handling things in bozeman. Though I would still bet unless there is a huge public outcry, coach Trick-ass is calling defenses this season because it isn't about doing anything more than not getting sued over there.

Can’t believe they haven’t called Royce Engstrom to consult on how to handle this yet. I wish they would. Can someone forward his number to Waded. I’m sure Playa has it.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

When people say they prefer the written articles, I get it. I do too. Sadly, we are in the minority.

It is entirely fair, though, for Colter to object to people who accuse him of not covering it. He doesn't write articles, really. In the way that he covers the Big Sky Conference, he has discussed it. And he has probably given more total discussion to it than anyone else. So even though we may prefer media in written form, you really can't say that "he didn't cover it." He did, in the way that they cover everything.

I object to anyone in media who is not continuing to cover it, not continuing to MsdUi push for answers.

I have no issues with Coulter if he doesn’t claim to be a reporter. But in either event, I’m still astounded he’s not talking about this issue daily, as it’s the largest sports story of the year, and MsdUi is trying to bury it. That’s worthy of regular discussion whether you’re a beat reporter, an investigative journalist or a podcaster.

My friend, he did cover it and does cover it. That is my point. He has probably given more coverage of it than anyone else in Montana, because he is the only one who has done more than produce a very basic newspaper article.

 

[EverettGriz]

Well, sure. But unfortunately we cannot choose our largest sports stories. They choose us.

What would make it the largest sports story? If MSU actually does the right thing and fires the guy? We still don’t know if that’s not the route they’re choosing right? I think they’re just making sure they don’t get sued before they can the coach.

Perhaps. But why not suspend them with pay? Do you believe they deserved a contract extension and a pay raise??

 

[thirdandlong]

Why don't you spend more time obsessing about why our team finishes 6th in the conference, instead of obsessing about MSU? Jeeez, give it a freaking rest dude!

I dunno. Perhaps it's because I believe there are a few things in the world more important than football scores. Perhaps it's just to piss you off. I'd go with one of those two if I had to choose. Maybe a combination.

Well, you're correct that you post nothing of relevance about football. You don't piss me off. I have have witnessed obsessive compulsive disorder before.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I dunno. Perhaps it's because I believe there are a few things in the world more important than football scores. Perhaps it's just to piss you off. I'd go with one of those two if I had to choose. Maybe a combination.

Well, you're correct that you post nothing of relevance about football. You don't piss me off. I have have witnessed obsessive compulsive disorder before.

If anyone might recognize obsessive compulsive disorder, it would be the obsessive compulsive.

 

[garizzalies]

Is it really the biggest sports story in years?

Can you identify a bigger one from our state?

 

[SoldierGriz]

I object to anyone in media who is not continuing to cover it, not continuing to MsdUi push for answers.

I have no issues with Coulter if he doesn’t claim to be a reporter. But in either event, I’m still astounded he’s not talking about this issue daily, as it’s the largest sports story of the year, and MsdUi is trying to bury it. That’s worthy of regular discussion whether you’re a beat reporter, an investigative journalist or a podcaster.

My friend, he did cover it and does cover it. That is my point. He has probably given more coverage of it than anyone else in Montana, because he is the only one who has done more than produce a very basic newspaper article.

Are there answers to the simple questions:

How does a state employee get a contract extension and pay raise while criminal charges are being adjudicated? What was the process? Who made the decisions? Is that University policy or standard procedure? If so, where is it written?

Is the University or AD conducting a review of the hiring process to determine how background checks might be better used in the future given there are 3 assistant coaches in trouble with the law.

How did the head coach address the team regarding these three incidents? Has it impacted the locker room or coach-player relationships?

What is the program's tolerance level for a player who gets a DUI? Recognizing players are not employees - do you worry there might be a sense of unfairness if the tolerance is different between coaches and players - why or why not?

How have these incidents impacted recruiting?

Will the three assistant coaches be on the sideline this fall? Fall Camp? Are they recruiting?

Are all university employees treated the same? Is there variance between how a professor is treated and a coach with similar offenses?

Who decided on the 1 game suspension? Is the Head Coach empowered to make personnel decisions? Is the AD? Who has the authority to suspend assistant coaches without pay? Do all coaches have conduct clauses in their contracts? What do the clauses say?

Did he cover any of that? If so, please post links.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

Yes it matters. The podcasts seem to take nearly two hours to cover a written article I could read in 20 minutes.

Facts.

If only there was the option to fast forward past the content you don't want. Seems like poor design to me! :mrgreen:

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

My friend, he did cover it and does cover it. That is my point. He has probably given more coverage of it than anyone else in Montana, because he is the only one who has done more than produce a very basic newspaper article.

Are there answers to the simple questions:

How does a state employee get a contract extension and pay raise while criminal charges are being adjudicated? What was the process? Who made the decisions? Is that University policy or standard procedure? If so, where is it written?

Is the University or AD conducting a review of the hiring process to determine how background checks might be better used in the future given there are 3 assistant coaches in trouble with the law.

How did the head coach address the team regarding these three incidents? Has it impacted the locker room or coach-player relationships?

What is the program's tolerance level for a player who gets a DUI? Recognizing players are not employees - do you worry there might be a sense of unfairness if the tolerance is different between coaches and players - why or why not?

How have these incidents impacted recruiting?

Will the three assistant coaches be on the sideline this fall? Fall Camp? Are they recruiting?

Are all university employees treated the same? Is there variance between how a professor is treated and a coach with similar offenses?

Who decided on the 1 game suspension? Is the Head Coach empowered to make personnel decisions? Is the AD? Who has the authority to suspend assistant coaches without pay? Do all coaches have conduct clauses in their contracts? What do the clauses say?

Did he cover any of that? If so, please post links.

Yes, he discussed a good portion that on his radio show. I honestly wouldn't know how to get you a link to that. I'm not trying to duck you, but I don't know where those are housed. I also don't pretend that I listen to every single minute, by any means.

Some of it just can't get an answer because the coaches and administration aren't going to talk about it. Unfortunately, when everybody circles the wagons, all people can really do is commentate on it. If I listen to his show and he mentions answers to those questions, I will certainly circle back with you.

My ONLY point was that there is a real dissonance in the discussion with him. People here say "You aren't covering it!" Colter responds by saying "I definitely cover it, you just don't listen to my show." People respond, "YOU NEED TO COVER IT!!!" I'm not trying to pretend I have consumed everything about the subject, and I admittedly care a lot less about it than many people here do so I'm not seeking it out. But people are just talking past him when he defends his coverage.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Update: Day 244 of the DC getting paid by the State of Montana after getting popped for DUI #3, and then a raise with his criminal charges pending. Dirk Whitehead here, I was going to ask someone from MSU about it, but then a completely unrelated third party told me that would not be a good idea if I wanted my access to the program to continue. Plus, I ate a whole rack of ribs and got tired, so I just didn’t really want to do anything. I’ll now turn it over to The Great Leader for an uplifting story about how MSU students have taught a squirrel how to waterski.

 

[poorgriz]

Really no different, give or take that we have a substantial audience and you post on a message board under an anonymous name.

You must live in 1994. You do realize that audio content gets about 1,000 times the traffic written content does nowadays? There’s a reason I partnered with ESPN and shifted to radio and do most of our content production on Skyline in the form of podcasts. Because that’s what you all show what you want by engaging in the content. Audio analytics blow written story analytics out of the water.

This is another place you’re confused. You want a written story. There have been quite a few. This was reported on when it happened by 406, MTN, SWX and ESPN MT. Then it was commentated on by us on ESPN MT. So what other reporting is there to do? You want comment from the President and the AD? They aren’t giving it. And the demise of local media means that reporters can’t just go stake out the president’s office. You won’t get a comment regardless, but we also have so much other stuff to cover.

Is it a column you want? A commentary giving opinions on the alleged crime and the handling of it? What would the difference be between that and a podcast giving commentary, opinion and insight into the process of reporting stories like this?

In terms of your assertion I’m here for validation, I’ve been in the media business for 17 years. There’s no validation to be found. I’m here to run and promote a business and to make money. That’s it.

We have an agreement with the board mods, hence the sticky thread on the front page.

The most amazing thing is that I could write stories about all your favorite Griz and you’d never read them. We did it for years. Very low engagement compared to any radio/podcasts we produce now. But you’d click on a salacious crime story about the rival 1,000 times. Amazing and baffling all at once.

Thanks for the discussion in a thread you started on an anonymous fan message board seeking whatever. If you want me to stop calling you out HERE on this subject, it’s easy, put it in writing (or I guess stop bringing it up).

I get that you make more money on audio traffic because Griz fans are literally stuck in traffic, that’s awesome. I don’t listen and neither do 99% of the people I know. Good on ya tho. Go Griz. FTC, amirite?

But to me personally and everyone I know, it might as well be a fart in the wind. An echo in the shower. Means nothing. You keep saying you could spill the banks of English on this subject and write all kinds of stuff. Ok, let’s hear it. You seem to have the time and I guarantee we will read it.

If it’s not in writing, it didn’t happen. Everyone knows that, and that’s how it’s swept under the rug. No record; never happened.

You say it was covered already? Where are the links? Maybe with your agreement, you can make a sticky? Would be nice to have a complete story, or a comprehensive picture. I can’t believe I have to put all this together piecemeal myself.

If it was so extensively covered already, where are the police reports? What is the status of all three cases? There’s been a few news updates on some but I have no idea what’s going on with Mix. You don’t need MSdUi’s access to ask these questions. Every bub cat I know says we “don’t know all the facts”. Good grief that’s basically all MSDUI has said. Would be nice to know.

Did you know MSdUi gave that dude a raise? Did you know he had a hearing scheduled last month? Egriz was the only place that covered it—Ha! It’s even Your Go To Source

I bet you're a blast at parties.