Alex Bienemann

[Griz1]

Football is an emotional game. You see it all the time where there are clashes between coaches and players. I think when the dust clears everyone will sit down, have their input and move on. Any discipline will be done within the team framework. Cooler heads will prevail and the relationship between Alex and the coaching staff will be fine. In my opinion this is a one-time shot with him and it will be put behind him.

Good luck to Alex and the Griz.

 

[Copper Griz]

Football is an emotional game. You see it all the time where there are clashes between coaches and players. I think when the dust clears everyone will sit down, have their input and move on. Any discipline will be done within the team framework. Cooler heads will prevail and the relationship between Alex and the coaching staff will be fine. In my opinion this is a one-time shot with him and it will be put behind him.

Good luck to Alex and the Griz.

You sound reasonable and I hope you are correct, but from Delaney's previous actions - it will likely not be the case. The real question for me is the attitude of the other coaches. Do we have a mutiny at hand?

 

[nzone]

I really hope this isn't the case but it wouldn't surprise me. Alot of this team was recruited by Plugrad in hopes of continueing on a proud tradition and in the end they are dealing with a mess. IMO IF the players, not just one, and some coaches are not buying into Delaney's methods he should do the honorable thing and resign immediately and let Scott Graig finish the season. I honestly believe that the majority of the players are good hard working kids with a bright future.

If in fact the issue is over exagerated just knock the shit out of the cats and call it a day.

 

[PlayerRep]

Football is an emotional game. You see it all the time where there are clashes between coaches and players. I think when the dust clears everyone will sit down, have their input and move on. Any discipline will be done within the team framework. Cooler heads will prevail and the relationship between Alex and the coaching staff will be fine. In my opinion this is a one-time shot with him and it will be put behind him.

Good luck to Alex and the Griz.

You sound reasonable and I hope you are correct, but from Delaney's previous actions - it will likely not be the case. The real question for me is the attitude of the other coaches. Do we have a mutiny at hand?

What previous actions? Delaney believes in discipline, but he's fair and reasonable. He's probably tougher than Pflu, but not as hard-ass as Hauck.

 

[wbtfg]

Booger is quickly tearing down a top tier program. There was another thread about players jumping ship. I am starting to believe that now.

Booger? :lol:

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[Grizmayor]

I really hope this isn't the case but it wouldn't surprise me. Alot of this team was recruited by Plugrad in hopes of continueing on a proud tradition and in the end they are dealing with a mess. IMO IF the players, not just one, and some coaches are not buying into Delaney's methods he should do the honorable thing and resign immediately and let Scott Gragg finish the season. I honestly believe that the majority of the players are good hard working kids with a bright future.

If in fact the issue is over exagerated just knock the shit out of the cats and call it a day.

Ah yes... I see about enough fire in the offensive line to barely warm my ass in the morning. We need a no-crap coach... not a Good Buddy/BFF at the helm.

 

[tgriz]

Just one quick correction, he was the head coach UM-Western from 91-92. His record was 5 wins, 11 losses, and 1 tie. So he did have some head coaching experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Delaney

Enough said.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Football is an emotional game. You see it all the time where there are clashes between coaches and players. I think when the dust clears everyone will sit down, have their input and move on. Any discipline will be done within the team framework. Cooler heads will prevail and the relationship between Alex and the coaching staff will be fine. In my opinion this is a one-time shot with him and it will be put behind him.

Good luck to Alex and the Griz.

You sound reasonable and I hope you are correct, but from Delaney's previous actions - it will likely not be the case. The real question for me is the attitude of the other coaches. Do we have a mutiny at hand?

You hit the nail on the head Copper Griz. How many of the players and coaches are still loyal to Pflu? How many didn't care for Delaney in the first place or disagreed with decision to hire him? There definately could be some simmering issues beneath the surface here. If so, this situation could "blow up".

 

[Gaeilge1]

Now that I'm what many might call an elder the concept of respecting your elders is as antiquated to me today as it was when I was in my teens. Respect is earned, not given, no matter what your age. Deference to an opinion may be given, but at least in my opinion, not respect.

It is clear that Coach Delaney has not earned that respect. I wonder whether President Engstrom has? Either way they both remind me of the 1970's "Peter Principle".

"In a heirarchy everyone eventually rises to their highest level of incompetence!"

 

[spsyk]

Just one quick correction, he was the head coach UM-Western from 91-92. His record was 5 wins, 11 losses, and 1 tie. So he did have some head coaching experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Delaney

I made that abundantly clear in other threads, my consensus is at the FCS level or higher not high school or NAIA.

 

[mtgrizrule]

After what we have seen on the field this year, with bad coaching strategy killing this team, it is good to see someone get pissed and speak his mind. This is long overdue, and maybe Alex went about it wrong, but he has every right in the world to be pissed.

WE have a dominating run defense and front 7. Their efforts and excellent play is going for not. Why? Because we have a DC that has a soft DB strategy! I am sure every member of the front 7 is getting pissed seeing our defense be beat the same way all year.

 

[rcscott]

Finally, someone posted on this. I was blessed to have traded seats from the upper deck to 2 rows above the sideline exactly on the 50. I got a great feel for the team.

Noticeably was no respect for Delaney. Now the man has coached for many years and I'm not taking that away from him. Players would be walking by and he would address them (fire them up?) and they wouldn't even make eye contact with him. He has NO repoire with his team and when players don't believe in what you are doing it's a very bad deal.

The assistants, with the exception of Gregorak were listless and seemed to just be taking the game in stride. The offensive line needed someone in their face challenging them to get their job done. Gragg didn't lift a head or a finger. I was shocked.

As for Bienemann.... I saw the whole thing and heard it. A kid coming off the field knowing that it was over sayin "F...F....F... we gave them the ball like 50,000 times", squeezing the helmet like he wanted to pop someones head. Now I know this is a team, but when one half can't pull their head out and find some passion somewhere it will grate on you. His actions needed to be calmed down BUT he was speaking the truth. There was no leadership from the people running the program pure and simple. Delaney is not the right fit for the program. Let him retire now. That's when your passion has left and it's time to go.

I say this with 18 years of coaching HS on the wrestling mat, and I know that if I can't bring the same energy to the match as in the past, it's a disservice to my kids that I'm coaching. For the younger members of this staff I say shame on you. If you can't "feel" it then move over and let someone else in. Just be honest.

To the team I say, we believe in you. There's too much talent here and if you can't find it from the guys teaching you then find that passion from those around you. Lean on each other and get her done. You are Grizzlies. Now be who you know you are.

 

[kurtismichael]

Alex Bienermann


Emotions were flying high on the sidelines after games end this afternoon, Bienermann had to be restrained by coaches after a flair up between him and coach Delaney. Certain he will be either suspended or worst yet kick off the team, was not a pleasant sight to witness.

Boo birds were vocal, not against the athletes, although coaches were being vocalized.

Coach Delaney has kept the kids out of the Missoulian into week 7, however football prowess of him and now reflecting on his staff is becoming an issue.

It is going to be ugly when this season comes to an end, and I hope the damage will be limited just to a loosing season and billed as a young team and rebuilding with a new staff, and does not hamper recruiting.

It might have been a mistake to hire a den mother in lieu of a coach of more than four decades of experience and never been a head coach.

If cleaning up the football program of arguably a few athletes, and hold the entire team hostage, well that has been accomplished, and with the actions of Engstom, by the firing of the head coach and AD I believe will reduce the Griz football program for more than just a few years.

None of this had to happen, however it did, this team is loaded with talent it just needs direction that it not been getting.

Rest assured the program will suffer, and will resurrect in the future, and in the same breath, there will be athletes that get in trouble, and the answer is not fire the head coach and AD if they are doing their jobs.

Now, that my rant is complete, I will resume to my libation of a gluten free beer and cry in it, while trying to get the disaster of todays game day out of my mind.

Would that be Red Bridge beer, Spsyk?

I did not see the incident and I think everyone else have made good comments already about which way this could turn out. Lets hope it turns out that it is long forgotton after next week!

 

[tgriz]

Finally, someone posted on this. I was blessed to have traded seats from the upper deck to 2 rows above the sideline exactly on the 50. I got a great feel for the team.

Noticeably was no respect for Delaney. Now the man has coached for many years and I'm not taking that away from him. Players would be walking by and he would address them (fire them up?) and they wouldn't even make eye contact with him. He has NO repoire with his team and when players don't believe in what you are doing it's a very bad deal.

The assistants, with the exception of Gregorak were listless and seemed to just be taking the game in stride. The offensive line needed someone in their face challenging them to get their job done. Gragg didn't lift a head or a finger. I was shocked.

As for Bienemann.... I saw the whole thing and heard it. A kid coming off the field knowing that it was over sayin "F...F....F... we gave them the ball like 50,000 times", squeezing the helmet like he wanted to pop someones head. Now I know this is a team, but when one half can't pull their head out and find some passion somewhere it will grate on you. His actions needed to be calmed down BUT he was speaking the truth. There was no leadership from the people running the program pure and simple. Delaney is not the right fit for the program. Let him retire now. That's when your passion has left and it's time to go.

I say this with 18 years of coaching HS on the wrestling mat, and I know that if I can't bring the same energy to the match as in the past, it's a disservice to my kids that I'm coaching. For the younger members of this staff I say shame on you. If you can't "feel" it then move over and let someone else in. Just be honest.

To the team I say, we believe in you. There's too much talent here and if you can't find it from the guys teaching you then find that passion from those around you. Lean on each other and get her done. You are Grizzlies. Now be who you know you are.

:clap: Great insight and great post

 

[Copper Griz]

Football is an emotional game. You see it all the time where there are clashes between coaches and players. I think when the dust clears everyone will sit down, have their input and move on. Any discipline will be done within the team framework. Cooler heads will prevail and the relationship between Alex and the coaching staff will be fine. In my opinion this is a one-time shot with him and it will be put behind him.

Good luck to Alex and the Griz.

You sound reasonable and I hope you are correct, but from Delaney's previous actions - it will likely not be the case. The real question for me is the attitude of the other coaches. Do we have a mutiny at hand?

What previous actions? Delaney believes in discipline, but he's fair and reasonable. He's probably tougher than Pflu, but not as hard-ass as Hauck.

I don't care that Hauck was a hard ass. I couldn't stand him, but he got results! He knew how to coach and had some passion. His assistants respected him or did one hell of a job of faking it. Delaney has lost the program. Do everyone a favor. Announce you are retiring after the season and let the search for a new coach begin. The kids and fans deserve better. He inherited a real mess - unfortunately he is pouring gas on a fire. Enough already.

 

[kemajic]

this team is loaded with talent

Hyperbole. No receiver speed; poor separation; little YAC. Green QBing. With Moore out no power running. No return threat; does Nacarado even get to the 20 on returns? Nguyen is a consistent muff waiting to happen. Blocked kicks. No ballhawking on D; secondary talent? While game coaching has shown serious flaws, there is limited talent on this team, especially in the skill positions. Time to face it and quit overrating our talent level. And not a lot of senior schollies departing for the new recruiting class.

 

[grizfan47]

this team is loaded with talent

Hyperbole. No receiver speed; poor separation; little YAC. Green QBing. With Moore out no power running. No return threat; does Nacarado even get to the 20 on returns? Nguyen is a consistent muff waiting to happen. Blocked kicks. No ballhawking on D; secondary talent? While game coaching has shown serious flaws, there is limited talent on this team, especially in the skill positions. Time to face it and quit overrating our talent level. And not a lot of senior schollies departing for the new recruiting class.

I truly do not want to call out players because I respect their efforts and the hard work they put in. But I also question the superiour talent argument. I think many fans want to believe that the Griz talent level is superior to all others because of our glorious history and the benefit of 25000 fanatical fans in our beautiful stadium. We tend to think that ALL of the best players would rather play for the Griz than anyone else.

However, without naming names or even postitions; I see alot of talented players all over the conference that are a notch above some of ours. Granted we have alot of youth but in some instances so do the other teams. The Griz used to have a distinct advantage, if not in individual talent, then in depth. There are some very talented players out there and they are not all Griz players.

 

[spsyk]

this team is loaded with talent

Hyperbole. No receiver speed; poor separation; little YAC. Green QBing. With Moore out no power running. No return threat; does Nacarado even get to the 20 on returns? Nguyen is a consistent muff waiting to happen. Blocked kicks. No ballhawking on D; secondary talent? While game coaching has shown serious flaws, there is limited talent on this team, especially in the skill positions. Time to face it and quit overrating our talent level. And not a lot of senior schollies departing for the new recruiting class.

Still content the team is loaded with talent,...and not directed to their capabilities, then again if your assumption is correct, then that proves the fact, that the head coach does not know what he is talking about, for he has stated that the athletes are loaded with talent, and well as his assistances, in a matter of fact you are the first to make the statement in length in your post.

Now, perhaps your post is loaded with Hyperbole,


How could there be an honest opinion on WR, we don't use them.

Freshman QB, my opinion as a freshman doing better than expected

Nguyen return kicks, well, that just might be a coach's decision, and it is proving to be a mistake, lay the blame where it belongs

Block kicks, where do you lay that blame, entirely on execution, or is there some blame left for coaching.

Secondary,one of the hardest position to fill on the football team, and yes the talent is there, just very young.

Now it's obvious you see this team athletes different than I do, neither of our opinion mean shit, so why debate, I'll stick with the kids, and lay the blame where it belongs with the instruction being provided for execution and given a chance to win, in a matter of fact have won games this year and the brain farts of coaches turn them into LLLL.

The results of this season, should be directed exactly where it belongs, when you fire the Coach Of The Year and the AD for reasons not yet explain, the athletic programs get what Engstrom deserves.

You would have a hard time convincing me, and not the least concern with convincing anybody else that this season would have been a lot different with out the forced changes that were leveled upon it.

Just thought I bloviate, don't mean to ruffle any feathers.

 

[grizfan47]

this team is loaded with talent

Hyperbole. No receiver speed; poor separation; little YAC. Green QBing. With Moore out no power running. No return threat; does Nacarado even get to the 20 on returns? Nguyen is a consistent muff waiting to happen. Blocked kicks. No ballhawking on D; secondary talent? While game coaching has shown serious flaws, there is limited talent on this team, especially in the skill positions. Time to face it and quit overrating our talent level. And not a lot of senior schollies departing for the new recruiting class.

Still content the team is loaded with talent,...and not directed to their capabilities, then again if your assumption is correct, then that proves the fact, that the head coach does not know what he is talking about, for he has stated that the athletes are loaded with talent, and well as his assistances, in a matter of fact you are the first to make the statement in length in your post.

Now, perhaps your post is loaded with Hyperbole,


How could there be an honest opinion on WR, we don't use them.

Freshman QB, my opinion as a freshman doing better than expected

Nguyen return kicks, well, that just might be a coach's decision, and it is proving to be a mistake, lay the blame where it belongs

Block kicks, where do you lay that blame, entirely on execution, or is there some blame left for coaching.

Secondary,one of the hardest position to fill on the football team, and yes the talent is there, just very young.

Now it's obvious you see this team athletes different than I do, neither of our opinion mean shit, so why debate, I'll stick with the kids, and lay the blame where it belongs with the instruction being provided for execution and given a chance to win, in a matter of fact have won games this year and the brain farts of coaches turn them into LLLL.

The results of this season, should be directed exactly where it belongs, when you fire the Coach Of The Year and the AD for reasons not yet explain, the athletic programs get what Engstrom deserves.

You would have a hard time convincing me, and not the least concern with convincing anybody else that this season would have been a lot different with out the forced changes that were leveled upon it.

Just thought I bloviate, don't mean to ruffle any feathers.

You may be absolutly correct and I truly want to agree with you. We have certainly had some big plays and some improvement in the play of younger players. And I agree we should give the players the benefit of the doubt. They have been in the position to win every game. But I sure see a lot of talent on the other side of the ball both offensively and defensivly so I don't think we are going to win games on talent alone. Enough said.

 

[WILD_CAT]

this team is loaded with talent

Hyperbole. No receiver speed; poor separation; little YAC. Green QBing. With Moore out no power running. No return threat; does Nacarado even get to the 20 on returns? Nguyen is a consistent muff waiting to happen. Blocked kicks. No ballhawking on D; secondary talent? While game coaching has shown serious flaws, there is limited talent on this team, especially in the skill positions. Time to face it and quit overrating our talent level. And not a lot of senior schollies departing for the new recruiting class.

How about recruiting 2 QB's who aren't spread QB's? If that wasn't a weird sign I don't know what was. You can't even put in a backup QB as your offense is built around the spread. No Kemp? At least he can throw 'somewhat' accurately.