Age based rule to be implemented

[HelenaHandBasket]

In CDA's example, there is nothing that stops a team from recruiting 25 high school kids every year. The roster is a hard limit, but the number of kids returning isn't. This rule will probably have more impact on the returning players that aren't making an immediate impact than the number of high school kids that can be recruited.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Right but the majority of players redshirt and they don't play right away. So the 25% is inaccurate.

But with the new rule, fewer will redshirt. There's no incentive to redshirt a good player now.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think you math is incorrect in your example. The thing is, most kids end up on the roster for 5 years now give or take a few, so the recruiting mindset wouldn't differ much whether the get 5 years for 4 or 5 years for 5 after the first year of kids that exhausted eligibility get an additional year. You are assuming a 4 year cycle to a 5 year cycle, but it is really all a 5 year cycle. I think people are over reacting to the impact this will have on high school recruiting after the first few cycles.

Again, I think your point would be stronger if literally every player redshirted. They didn’t. Also, when you think about it in a 5year to 5year context (old being 1RS; 4 playing and new being 5 playing), the new system “replaces” a RS year with a playing year. Where will coaches look to fill the playing years?

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

I don't agree. What you said is not correct. Some number of the new 5th year players are going to impact the numbers for recruiting and scholarships.

I think the point that HHB and I are trying to make is that Yes some number will be affected, but it's a much smaller number than what CDA is trying to say. And in some cases it will be negligible.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

But with the new rule, fewer will redshirt. There's no incentive to redshirt a good player now.

Even stronger: NONE will redshirt because they can’t.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

How many kids are actually going to be ready to play as a freshman? There's just not that many of them in the FCS as a general rule. So yes things are changing, but to what degree is debatable.

 

[mthoopsfan]

In CDA's example, there is nothing that stops a team from recruiting 25 high school kids every year. The roster is a hard limit, but the number of kids returning isn't. This rule will probably have more impact on the returning players that aren't making an immediate impact than the number of high school kids that can be recruited.

More returning players will mean fewer spots open for playing time and fewer scholarships available for high school kids. Fewer redshirts, or no redshirts, will mean more returning players.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

Even stronger: NONE will redshirt because they can’t.

Well there is no more red shirt so it's a moot point.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Again, I think your point would be stronger if literally every player redshirted. They didn’t. Also, when you think about it in a 5year to 5year context (old being 1RS; 4 playing and new being 5 playing), the new system “replaces” a RS year with a playing year. Where will coaches look to fill the playing years?

But when you roster plan you assume 5 years, as it is the cycle. If a kid was done in 4, you had an extra spot to recruit. The new rule limits that spot early, but doesn't change the 5 year cycle you plan for when constructing a roster.

 

[Da Boyz Mom]

But when you roster plan you assume 5 years, as it is the cycle. If a kid was done in 4, you had an extra spot to recruit. The new rule limits that spot early, but doesn't change the 5 year cycle you plan for when constructing a roster.

I feel like we're preaching to the choir here HHB.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I think the point that HHB and I are trying to make is that Yes some number will be affected, but it's a much smaller number than what CDA is trying to say. And in some cases it will be negligible.

I’d agree 100% that it could be negligible for FB only, where many redshirt currently, AND there wasn’t a transfer portal. In sports where RSs aren’t the norm, it will have a bigger impact on HS recruiting.

 

[mthoopsfan]

How many kids are actually going to be ready to play as a freshman? There's just not that many of them in the FCS as a general rule. So yes things are changing, but to what degree is debatable.

Lots more. Some have been ready every year, but are redshirted to get them more mature for the 5th year. It's not that they weren't capable of playing as true frosh.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

More returning players will mean fewer spots open for playing time and fewer scholarships available for high school kids. Fewer redshirts, or no redshirts, will mean more returning players.

But it doesn't limit how many you recruit, only how many are on the roster. You assume all kids return, but that just isn't a realistic viewpoint as we all know the attrition.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I feel like we're preaching to the choir here HHB.

Both of you are not facing the real choir and are wrong.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I’d agree 100% that it could be negligible for FB only, where many redshirt currently, AND there wasn’t a transfer portal. In sports where RSs aren’t the norm, it will have a bigger impact on HS recruiting.

It doesn't really matter if a kid redshirted or not, a team plans a roster assuming 5 years. That doesn't change.

 

[mthoopsfan]

But it doesn't limit how many you recruit, only how many are on the roster. You assume all kids return, but that just isn't a realistic viewpoint as we all know the attrition.

Attrition was always there and won't change, except that fewer will depart after their 4th year. By recruiting, I mean how many scholarships and slots you often for walk-ons. Not how many kids you talk to.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Both of you are not facing the real choir and are wrong.

Well fuck me then.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Well there is no more red shirt so it's a moot point.

What I said. They can't.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Attrition was always there and won't change, except that fewer will depart after their 4th year. By recruiting, I mean how many scholarships and slots you often for walk-ons. Not how many kids you talk to.

Take a nap.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

But it doesn't limit how many you recruit, only how many are on the roster. You assume all kids return, but that just isn't a realistic viewpoint as we all know the attrition.

I think we're on the same page. I agree, they can RECRUIT as many as they want. When I said it will negatively affect HS recruiting, I should have said it will negatively affect HS signings.