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Adrian Peterson's dad played Big Sky hoops
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BengalCub said:
So I guess all those ISU Boise figths were made up. Comon man be honest atleast ONCE in this post
SuperHornet
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Paytonlives said:
Hence the common derogatory term "Bungles," derived from the equally notorious Cincinnati "Bungles." Interesting how these things tend to result from places with zero recent on-the-field success. You don't hear this cr@p from championship teams, at least not on the level that it comes out of basement-dwellers.
What does he have to do with any of this?
C'mon your case is more slippery than a can of Pam.
No need to bring up honesty at all friend. You are implying that this incident doesn't surprise you given the history of Idaho State. Well give me the facts--just the facts. What happened at ISU (prior to 1990 or so) that you can prove with facts?
C'mon your case is more slippery than a can of Pam.
No need to bring up honesty at all friend. You are implying that this incident doesn't surprise you given the history of Idaho State. Well give me the facts--just the facts. What happened at ISU (prior to 1990 or so) that you can prove with facts?
8poky8
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What about those clowns on your team that were running the meth ring in the Bitteroot Valley or your beloved Lex that was involved in a domestic violence case. What about having what is regarded around the league and I-AA football as the biggest cheap-shot artist football team out there..? If the shoe fits....
djollieballs
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8poky8 said:
Who was running the captain sunshine ring? Did they do any time? Did they go to trial? What's the deal with Lex?
8poky8 said:
That would be ISU
Bengal1
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I can't believe there are a few who still try to characterize an entire program by a few bad seeds. Even more surprising to me is somebody who apparently has too much time on his hands that he either 1) has old ISU stories bookmarked; or 2) he spent some time researching these stories.
Yeah, I'll call the Jared Allen story and raise you with the Michael Ray Richardson story. Jared is suspended 4 games for his stupid choices. How long was Michael Ray suspended for his drug choices? Montana must be a school with horrible drug problems, right? Same logic. Johnnie Peeples, Quin Faino...
What about Vernon Smith? Montana also must have a horrible time with athletes brandishing guns, right?
Montana has a great program in place. Why tarnish it by trying to throw pot-shots at other Big Sky programs? Why try to tear down another program when you guys obviously are in a position you don't need to do that?
Yeah, I'll call the Jared Allen story and raise you with the Michael Ray Richardson story. Jared is suspended 4 games for his stupid choices. How long was Michael Ray suspended for his drug choices? Montana must be a school with horrible drug problems, right? Same logic. Johnnie Peeples, Quin Faino...
What about Vernon Smith? Montana also must have a horrible time with athletes brandishing guns, right?
Montana has a great program in place. Why tarnish it by trying to throw pot-shots at other Big Sky programs? Why try to tear down another program when you guys obviously are in a position you don't need to do that?
djollieballs
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Bengal1 said:
The thing is, ISU does have a bad reputation. They have been considered thugs on and off the court for as long as I can remember. Montana may have had a few "bad apples", but it's really not in the same league. ISU and MSU both have a history of bringing really bad people, not just apples into their programs.
Michael Ray wasn't a thug, he was a drug addict, I'm sure being the star of the New York Nicks during the early 80's played more of a role in his addiction than his time at Montana did. I hate to break this to you, but every single person of prominence in NYC in the early 80's was on blow. Some could handle it, some couldn't. Unfortunately, MRR couldn't. I don't think that makes him a bad person as much as it makes him a cautionary tale that has no doubt positively influenced scores of subsequent NBAers.
Every college town has drug problems to some degree, any time you have a bunch of affluent kids with a lot of time on their hands, drugs are going to be in the mix. UM gets a bad rap because its students, especially the out of staters, are considerably more affluent than the kids at the other Big Sky schools. Rich kids do a lot of drugs, big surprise.
I tried to search for Peeples being in trouble on the net, but all I can find are articles and pages about his time with the Griz and his JC years. What happened there?
salmonbengal
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'68griz said:
Yet.
glass houses
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Paytonlives said:
And you are not doing anything to change the national perception regarding many Griz fans. You are a hypocrite, and your opinions do not reflect those of the mainsteam Griz fans.
I remember Nellie. I was ISU's radio guy when he played for the Bengals, and he was recruited by a coach that got into hot water himself (Wayne Ballard) with the NCAA for infractions.
As a player, Nelson was a very gifted athlete, who at about 6-3 had great leaps and could shoot the 3 with anyone. Nellie had a good heart, but like a lot of kids from more heavily populated areas (Wilson?), the small-town lifestyle (where there was "nothing to do" but get into trouble) was really difficult to adapt to. Nelson always treated me with respect, and often spoke to fans with "Yes Sir" and "Yes, Ma'am", but it was easy to see had had plenty of personal struggles he was dealing with. You could see his game was hurt by his lack of personal discipline. I pray that Nellie is doing much better today and that he's learned a valuable lesson from his recent jail term.
I am the last person that will try and defend the actions of law-breaking athletes (or any other students) from colleges, whether it's ISU, or MSU, or UM. Even BYU has had it's share of troublemaking athletes over the past 4 or 5 years, and it's an embarrassing thing for die-hard fans of any school to watch. But for UM fans(Paytonlives, et.al.) to strut around with a holier-than-thou attitude is :lame:
A constant need to tear down others is a sign of a lack of self-respect and the belief that personally, you don't measure up. Tearing others down is the only way you've found to make yourself look acceptable to yourself.
The truth about almost ALL the trouble that athletes and most other law-breakers in society today get into is that throughout their lives, they've seldom had to face the consequences of their choices and actions. And the more we get away without having to be personally responsible for our actions, the more doomed we are to facing fates like those Nelson Peterson or Jared Allen has had.
I sincerely hope that UM has avoided a plethora of problematic athletes because they have come from more disciplined backgrounds, and not because others in the program, school and community are making it possible for them to continue to avoid responsibility for their poor choices. Hopefully, you're not one of those enablers, either...there are far too many positive things to be learned and taught from athletics to be overshadowed by the constant focus on the negatives.
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As a player, Nelson was a very gifted athlete, who at about 6-3 had great leaps and could shoot the 3 with anyone. Nellie had a good heart, but like a lot of kids from more heavily populated areas (Wilson?), the small-town lifestyle (where there was "nothing to do" but get into trouble) was really difficult to adapt to. Nelson always treated me with respect, and often spoke to fans with "Yes Sir" and "Yes, Ma'am", but it was easy to see had had plenty of personal struggles he was dealing with. You could see his game was hurt by his lack of personal discipline. I pray that Nellie is doing much better today and that he's learned a valuable lesson from his recent jail term.
I am the last person that will try and defend the actions of law-breaking athletes (or any other students) from colleges, whether it's ISU, or MSU, or UM. Even BYU has had it's share of troublemaking athletes over the past 4 or 5 years, and it's an embarrassing thing for die-hard fans of any school to watch. But for UM fans(Paytonlives, et.al.) to strut around with a holier-than-thou attitude is :lame:
A constant need to tear down others is a sign of a lack of self-respect and the belief that personally, you don't measure up. Tearing others down is the only way you've found to make yourself look acceptable to yourself.
The truth about almost ALL the trouble that athletes and most other law-breakers in society today get into is that throughout their lives, they've seldom had to face the consequences of their choices and actions. And the more we get away without having to be personally responsible for our actions, the more doomed we are to facing fates like those Nelson Peterson or Jared Allen has had.
I sincerely hope that UM has avoided a plethora of problematic athletes because they have come from more disciplined backgrounds, and not because others in the program, school and community are making it possible for them to continue to avoid responsibility for their poor choices. Hopefully, you're not one of those enablers, either...there are far too many positive things to be learned and taught from athletics to be overshadowed by the constant focus on the negatives.
:twocents:
diacanthus
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Thanks votb, much appreciated.
There is also mention of Nelson Peterson in the book Raw Recruits. There is a section talking about how some schools take more commitments than they have spots available. I guesss Peterson was supposed to be a Sooner but at the last minute Billy Tubbs screwed him and told him no spot was available. Luckily ISU had one for him to accept.
It's true. As a matter of fact, Nellie came to ISU the year after the Bengals played Tubb's Sooners in Norman. I had a very interesting experience after that game in Norman. We were walking into our hotel after driving back from the arena, and a long Caddy with shaded windows pulled up behind me. The window went down and some guy leaned out and said to me..."Hey, you the coach?" I told him no, and called ahead to the head coach, who then walked back to the car and leaned down to talk with the guy wearing shades. The man in the car pulls a thick envelope out of his jacket pocket and hands it to the coach, who proceeds to stuff it inside his jacket pocket. I tried to pretend like I hadn't noticed and kept on going into the hotel. I guess we made the spread.... 
I no longer believed in the purity of sports...
I no longer believed in the purity of sports...