AD finalist names starting to surface

[PlayerRep]

Well all that just isn't true. Over half the athletic program is funded by the University. I realiz areas such a chemistry and physics, Rhodes scholars. aren't much interest and granted the most recent Nobel prize was shared with Al Gore, and one of its other developments allowed the nuclear weapons to be developed that ended WW II.

If anything U of M did BETTER before the success of Athletics and did so at a time when it was seriously considered to drop them. But despite that they do co-exist. Our new athltic Director will have to know the difference between a tail and a dog to succeed . The University can do quite well without athletics. In fact the better ones do......

Jeez, stop the lying. Over half the athletic program isn't funded by the university. I think I saw an article, perhaps today, that said that less than 30% is funded by the university/state. My recollection is that less that $4 million of a $15 or so million budget is funded by the university/state. And there's the money that the university siphons off of the athletic program for its own use.

70% of the ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT’S budget are GENERATED DOLLARS (not just the football program, but all athletics), meaning athletics generates all of this revenue on its own (tix, NCAA licensing, media, etc.). The other 30% comes from institutional contributions, private contributions, etc. “A goal at this level would be 50-50. I’m not sure anybody else is [even] at 50-50.” (Jim O’Day, the Missoulian, Wed Aug 15, 2012).

It doesn’t take a genius (nor a PhD student) to figure out which program generates the majority of that revenue, and keeps that figure at a very high 70%. And if juxtaposed, a P&L of each of the various programs will reveal that the football program is the only athletic program that generates a profit (surplus as they say in governmental/fund accounting) some of which is poured over into other University funds. And, it is quite the surplus, I might add.

And private contributions, which are included in the 30% figure above, are really generated by the athletic program, which does the fund-raising to get the private contributions.

 

[tnt]

Good lord PR, you specialize in Business??? Look at the spread sheet again...... The university spends 5.5 million, gets 3.9 million in scholarship reimbursement and had 775,000 put back into the general fund from income. depending on which accounting system the university took a hit for 4.8 million or a hit for .9 million. The only argument here is just HOW MUCH the university loses on athletics, the claim was how much athletics brings.....

The linked information says I hope to god if you are doing mergers and acquisitions, you have a good team of bean counters.

 

[grizindabox]

I love it, TNT and PR are apparently experts in everything. Could either of you tell me what the little bugs on my trees are and what is the greenest, safest way to get rid of them.

 

[dupuyer griz]

I love it, TNT and PR are apparently experts in everything. Could either of you tell me what the little bugs on my trees are and what is the greenest, safest way to get rid of them.

They're insects and put some aldrin on them it'll roast the hell out of them hahaha maybe they will have a green method.

 

[grizindabox]

Hell, they might even know how to cure Growler's bungus-fungus problem that Alpha was talking about.

 

[tnt]

tnt - That spreadsheet doesn't reflect the fact that Athletics at UM turn around and pay a substantial portion of the "Rent" right back to UM. I believe that is most of the difference between the 2 figures.

The accounting is bogus and always has been. Look at the difference between the institutional and administrative support lines. MSU is millions, and UM LESS THAN 1.

I didn't want to get this far off track though. The comment was made that the University was dependent on
athletics because essentialy the rest sucks. That is not the case. The new AD aside from having some fiscal challenges will no matter the cause have the challege of making sure the athletic whose main function is to promote the U with the current stae of affairs, doesn't have the opposite effect......

 

[GrizLA]

Well all that just isn't true. Over half the athletic program is funded by the University. I realiz areas such a chemistry and physics, Rhodes scholars. aren't much interest and granted the most recent Nobel prize was shared with Al Gore, and one of its other developments allowed the nuclear weapons to be developed that ended WW II.

If anything U of M did BETTER before the success of Athletics and did so at a time when it was seriously considered to drop them. But despite that they do co-exist. Our new athltic Director will have to know the difference between a tail and a dog to succeed . The University can do quite well without athletics. In fact the better ones do......

Trust me, U of M did not do 'better" before the success of the athletic teams...you must not remember the censorship reputation in the 50s, or the non ending harrassment of Leslie Fiedler during the early 60s...please enlighten me of UM "greatness. I am all ears. A good, somewhat above average, forestry school, a wide ranging Liberal Arts Dept, a good music school and fine arts...I am not sure what the point is you are trying to make, but if its overall Greatness, I don't think so. UM is a very good state university in a state that until recently didn't much care one way or the other...It is a launch pad to other schools with international reps, Nobel winners, Pulitzer, etc...Adequate, yes, good, yes, superior? not so much..it is the driven student that makes that possible and those students support a winning athletic program.

 

[PlayerRep]

Good lord PR, you specialize in Business??? Look at the spread sheet again...... The university spends 5.5 million, gets 3.9 million in scholarship reimbursement and had 775,000 put back into the general fund from income. depending on which accounting system the university took a hit for 4.8 million or a hit for .9 million. The only argument here is just HOW MUCH the university loses on athletics, the claim was how much athletics brings.....

The linked information says I hope to god if you are doing mergers and acquisitions, you have a good team of bean counters.

TNT, just take the link/spreadsheet you furnished and see what percentage $5.5 million of institutional support is to a $18.6 million budget, and then you will have the answer (and know that you are dead wrong).

In case you need help, 5.5 is not half of 18.6.

It's very amusing that you can't even read and understand the information that you have furnished.

 

[tnt]

This is something you should understand clearly as an attorney who loves to twist words, The bulk of the money for athletics is generated from the programs themselves That amount is not sufficient to support the programs (nor is it expected to) There are three additional sources of income Donations, Student Fees, and Institutional support. No matter how you or JOD choose to split that up over half of the program is supported by those sources Should any of them fail athletics is in deep trouble. The one plus million from studende the 5.5 million from the legislature and 3.8 from boosters. Now maybe the program would suffer if the student money went away, the booster money is the most secure as the massive egos and desire to be an insider keeps it coming, "seating fees" will never go away along with the rubbing elbows in the "clubs" it can get hit but is recoverable. But if RE woke up and said screw it I have a better place to spend 5.5 million. Athletics is screwed and if the NCAA propsal to all ow direct payment to coaches by the boosters is approved. Football would be the biggest casualty.

 

[Silvertip]

Well all that just isn't true. Over half the athletic program is funded by the University. I realiz areas such a chemistry and physics, Rhodes scholars. aren't much interest and granted the most recent Nobel prize was shared with Al Gore, and one of its other developments allowed the nuclear weapons to be developed that ended WW II.

If anything U of M did BETTER before the success of Athletics and did so at a time when it was seriously considered to drop them. But despite that they do co-exist. Our new athltic Director will have to know the difference between a tail and a dog to succeed . The University can do quite well without athletics. In fact the better ones do......

Trust me, U of M did not do 'better" before the success of the athletic teams...you must not remember the censorship reputation in the 50s, or the non ending harrassment of Leslie Fiedler during the early 60s...please enlighten me of UM "greatness. I am all ears. A good, somewhat above average, forestry school, a wide ranging Liberal Arts Dept, a good music school and fine arts...I am not sure what the point is you are trying to make, but if its overall Greatness, I don't think so. UM is a very good state university in a state that until recently didn't much care one way or the other...It is a launch pad to other schools with international reps, Nobel winners, Pulitzer, etc...Adequate, yes, good, yes, superior? not so much..it is the driven student that makes that possible and those students support a winning athletic program.

I seldom trust anybody who says trust me, but I'll make an exception here...me - concurring with LA,
hmm...? At UM there has always been the opportunity to cherry pick isolated examples of greatness or near greatness ie. specific departments or individual faculty members...but as something that you can say pervades the whole school? Nope... I had some exceptional and devoted instructors during my undergrad days - Walter King, John Schlessinger - and Walter Van Tilburg Clark, who gave most generously of his time to tutor a fledgling writer, but UM is basically a Tier II public university that still makes a good choice for those who will make the effort to ferret out the best it has to offer...BTW: I still recall the image of a tweed-jacketed Leslie Fiedler sitting alone in his customary booth at Spider's sipping wine in a bar full of beer-swigging locals researching the infamous "Montana Face."... Too bad the youngins here never experienced the real Woody Street..Those indeed were the days...

 

[Umista]

tnt should be on everyone's ignore list. His rants are way off. This person (man or woman) is a certified mistake. I hope I never have to sit near a nut like that at any function on this planet.

The UM is so much better now than when I attended many moons ago. We have much more support from Monatana and have become much better known nationwide. Yes much of it has occured because of the sports and in my opinion football has been one reason our enrollement has increased over the years.

Silvertip is right on about Spider Mcullum and that entire bunch on Woody st. Ray T Rocene was just retiring as a Missoulian sports writer ........^on and on about the good old days but UM is WAY better in all respects now than years ago.

 

[PlayerRep]

This is something you should understand clearly as an attorney who loves to twist words, The bulk of the money for athletics is generated from the programs themselves That amount is not sufficient to support the programs (nor is it expected to) There are three additional sources of income Donations, Student Fees, and Institutional support. No matter how you or JOD choose to split that up over half of the program is supported by those sources Should any of them fail athletics is in deep trouble. The one plus million from studende the 5.5 million from the legislature and 3.8 from boosters. Now maybe the program would suffer if the student money went away, the booster money is the most secure as the massive egos and desire to be an insider keeps it coming, "seating fees" will never go away along with the rubbing elbows in the "clubs" it can get hit but is recoverable. But if RE woke up and said screw it I have a better place to spend 5.5 million. Athletics is screwed and if the NCAA propsal to all ow direct payment to coaches by the boosters is approved. Football would be the biggest casualty.

No matter what you say, or try to say, you will never to be to convince anyone that your original statement (quoted below) is accurate. In fact, your original statement is completely wrong. Half of the athletic program is not funded by the university. The actual amount looks like it is in the 30% range, even giving the university the benefit of all of the athletic income that the university siphons off for its purposes.

"Over half the athletic program is funded by the University."

 

[GrizLA]

Well all that just isn't true. Over half the athletic program is funded by the University. I realiz areas such a chemistry and physics, Rhodes scholars. aren't much interest and granted the most recent Nobel prize was shared with Al Gore, and one of its other developments allowed the nuclear weapons to be developed that ended WW II.

If anything U of M did BETTER before the success of Athletics and did so at a time when it was seriously considered to drop them. But despite that they do co-exist. Our new athltic Director will have to know the difference between a tail and a dog to succeed . The University can do quite well without athletics. In fact the better ones do......

Trust me, U of M did not do 'better" before the success of the athletic teams...you must not remember the censorship reputation in the 50s, or the non ending harrassment of Leslie Fiedler during the early 60s...please enlighten me of UM "greatness. I am all ears. A good, somewhat above average, forestry school, a wide ranging Liberal Arts Dept, a good music school and fine arts...I am not sure what the point is you are trying to make, but if its overall Greatness, I don't think so. UM is a very good state university in a state that until recently didn't much care one way or the other...It is a launch pad to other schools with international reps, Nobel winners, Pulitzer, etc...Adequate, yes, good, yes, superior? not so much..it is the driven student that makes that possible and those students support a winning athletic program.

I seldom trust anybody who says trust me, but I'll make an exception here...me - concurring with LA,
hmm...? At UM there has always been the opportunity to cherry pick isolated examples of greatness or near greatness ie. specific departments or individual faculty members...but as something that you can say pervades the whole school? Nope... I had some exceptional and devoted instructors during my undergrad days - Walter King, John Schlessinger - and Walter Van Tilburg Clark, who gave most generously of his time to tutor a fledgling writer, but UM is basically a Tier II public university that still makes a good choice for those who will make the effort to ferret out the best it has to offer...BTW: I still recall the image of a tweed-jacketed Leslie Fiedler sitting alone in his customary booth at Spider's sipping wine in a bar full of beer-swigging locals researching the infamous "Montana Face."... Too bad the youngins here never experienced the real Woody Street..Those indeed were the days...

Yikes! Woody Street? WVT Clark? I had a summer session with "classes" with Clark, Dorothy Johnson and loved it..Haven't thought about Woody Street in years..Jay Rummel, Rudy A, the best fringe group a young guy like me could have known..They were "fringe" then and I suspect, judging from the rightward swing in Mont. would be fringe now. They prepared me for the West Coast and I'm forever in their debt..our paths might well have crossed...

 

[Spanky]

Rudy Audio, my friend Henry Joe....from drama, Roger DeBourg, David Hunt....conversations about war with Dr. Turner over the bar..friends from the football team and the foreign student friends. Wonderful memories, UM was a great school.

 

[THE BETCH]

Woody Street......a large part of the UM experience in the 60s. Never saw Leslie there, but had some great talks and shots with the local non UMers. Football was not part of the discussions, probably would be now. The Depot is ok but doesn't hold a candle to Spiders.

 

[Silvertip]

...and The Snake River Outlaws crankin' out The Orange Blossom Special at the Sunshine...Stop me before I reminisce again...

 

[GrizLA]

...and The Snake River Outlaws crankin' out The Orange Blossom Special at the Sunshine...Stop me before I reminisce again...

Try this one..."New Dimensions and Important Breakthroughs"...jug bands forever!