Abandoning Productive Plays and Players

[statler & waldorf]

The focus on a team with a new HC is always in the players, and how they adapt and learn. Stitt has shown, over the course of the season, that HE has some learning to do, and has learned. At least he admits it when he is wrong. He is evolving from what we have seen earlier in the season. Got to give the man credit.

 

[AZDoc]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

Wasn't it 24-10 when we got those 2 dumb fowls that took us out of field goal range? The last td they scored was a gift of an extra 4th down on an offsides. That's at least 10, maybe 14 points. Game should never have been close.

That's true. I guess my point was don't let it get to 24-10. If you're way ahead play the 2's in the 4th quarter. Don't get me wrong, I like Stitt a lot and I like his playbook. Just think it's a little more difficult to "feel out what their giving us on defense" at D-I level than D-II. As with much of what he's done this year with his learning curve, I think the last couple games he has probably learned this.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

Wasn't it 24-10 when we got those 2 dumb fowls that took us out of field goal range? The last td they scored was a gift of an extra 4th down on an offsides. That's at least 10, maybe 14 points. Game should never have been close.

The only time SDSU had the ball driving to tie the game was when we were up 7-0. There was never another point in the game where they had the ball with the ability to tie or go ahead. Not once.

 

[timjayko]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

As painful as it was watching the conservative play calling in the 2nd half I understand the logic. Sure we could have tried a pass happy strategy to start the second half but what if we would have had lots of incompletions and a few turnovers from that strategy? Then all of a sudden that "put it to the floor" strategy could have backfired on us (made for a longer quarter and momentum shifts to the other team).

All and all a win is a win time for round 2. Go Griz.

 

[Stanley]

green is up stairs

Don't think so. The telecast revealed four males in the box. One appeared an older "Islander" three others much younger. None looked like any of the coaches on the GRIZ coaches home page. Green is always sideline with his guys.

 

[Stanley]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good Post!

Yessir, sure was a good post. If you like them from Nappy headed Goats who refuse to accept reality and continue to erroneously believe in the resurrection of their nemesis'. Bjorn exhibits similar traits of parananoia that his weirdo icon does. I'm sure that Steve Dill appreciates the attention BB and his sycophants provide.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

As painful as it was watching the conservative play calling in the 2nd half I understand the logic. Sure we could have tried a pass happy strategy to start the second half but what if we would have had lots of incompletions and a few turnovers from that strategy? Then all of a sudden that "put it to the floor" strategy could have backfired on us (made for a longer quarter and momentum shifts to the other team).

All and all a win is a win time for round 2. Go Griz.

Welcome to "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" eGriz....

 

[Stanley]

Are people really taking Stanley serious......

Hey G-box your Teddy Bear seems sleepy; closing and rubbing it's eyes. Must be exhaustion from chasing down the leads on the "Big Stories" you're so anxious to "break" first on e-griz. Relax and give your inside sources a break from your constant pestering. Ever consider replacing sleepy Teddy with a giant "SCOOP"?

 

[grizindabox]

Are people really taking Stanley serious......

Hey G-box your Teddy Bear seems sleepy; closing and rubbing it's eyes. Must be exhaustion from chasing down the leads on the "Big Stories" you're so anxious to "break" first on e-griz. Relax and give your inside sources a break from your constant pestering. Ever consider replacing sleepy Teddy with a giant "SCOOP"?

or maybe....just maybe....it is a facepalm.......

 

[Stanley]

Are people really taking Stanley serious......

Hey G-box your Teddy Bear seems sleepy; closing and rubbing it's eyes. Must be exhaustion from chasing down the leads on the "Big Stories" you're so anxious to "break" first on e-griz. Relax and give your inside sources a break from your constant pestering. Ever consider replacing sleepy Teddy with a giant "SCOOP"?

or maybe....just maybe....it is a facepalm.......

A TREKKIE!

I knew there was something "other-worldy" in your posts. How's the Enterprise functioning for you out there in DEEP SPACE Captain Kirk?...er Spock ... er whichever character you imagine yourself to be? Maybe time to beam down and reconnect with some of us "Dumb" earthlings!

Whattta Maroon!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[84GRIZ]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

I agree, keep doing what got you there. Example, Josh Horner, last two games in the first half 11 catches, last two games second half, 0 catches.

But my main question is if you are going to run more conservative plays, which the coach basically said he was doing, why are we still running the hurry up, fast offense and snapping the ball with 15 to 20 seconds left on the play clock???? That makes no sense to me. At one point in the 4th quarter we were trying to burn clock and SDSU was trying to save time and we were still snapping the ball with 15 or more seconds on the clock and they were snapping the ball at around 10 seconds left on the clock. I have never seen anything like that.

If you are going conservative you would think you would slow down and run more clock?

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

I agree, keep doing what got you there. Example, Josh Horner, last two games in the first half 11 catches, last two games second half, 0 catches.

But my main question is if you are going to run more conservative plays, which the coach basically said he was doing, why are we still running the hurry up, fast offense and snapping the ball with 15 to 20 seconds left on the play clock???? That makes no sense to me. At one point in the 4th quarter we were trying to burn clock and SDSU was trying to save time and we were still snapping the ball with 15 or more seconds on the clock and they were snapping the ball at around 10 seconds left on the clock. I have never seen anything like that.

If you are going conservative you would think you would slow down and run more clock?

On this I agree. Either run your offense, or burn clock. But don't go conservative and NOT burn clock. Self defeating...

 

[UMGriz75]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

At one point in the 4th quarter we were trying to burn clock and SDSU was trying to save time and we were still snapping the ball with 15 or more seconds on the clock and they were snapping the ball at around 10 seconds left on the clock. I have never seen anything like that.

If you are going conservative you would think you would slow down and run more clock?

On this I agree. Either run your offense, or burn clock. But don't go conservative and NOT burn clock. Self defeating...

Well, I've been pointing this out since Cal Poly and comparing that to the touted "4th Q Strategy." Exactly what is the point of trying to settle for a close win? The so-called "conservative" play calling has backfired several times this season, and becomes all the more perplexing when Coach Stitt tries to justify his "offensive strategy" in 3rd quarters by "reacting to what the other side is doing," which is an interesting way to describe an "offense."

And when these odd strategies backfire, well, Makena "just isn't up to the task" and "we can't use all our plays," or Brady "just missed a few throws" or was overthrowing too much. The fact is, the QBs seem to start to foul up when Stitt changes "strategies," whether between quarters or between games. Then we end up with a close game; toss a coin as to whether it is a win or loss.

Indeed, of the six games won or lost by ten points or less, the win/loss margin is 50/50 -- the perfect statistical tie.

 

[grizindabox]

Are people really taking Stanley serious......

Hey G-box your Teddy Bear seems sleepy; closing and rubbing it's eyes. Must be exhaustion from chasing down the leads on the "Big Stories" you're so anxious to "break" first on e-griz. Relax and give your inside sources a break from your constant pestering. Ever consider replacing sleepy Teddy with a giant "SCOOP"?

or maybe....just maybe....it is a facepalm.......

A TREKKIE!

I knew there was something "other-worldy" in your posts. How's the Enterprise functioning for you out there in DEEP SPACE Captain Kirk?...er Spock ... er whichever character you imagine yourself to be? Maybe time to beam down and reconnect with some of us "Dumb" earthlings!

Whattta Maroon!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[84GRIZ]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

At one point in the 4th quarter we were trying to burn clock and SDSU was trying to save time and we were still snapping the ball with 15 or more seconds on the clock and they were snapping the ball at around 10 seconds left on the clock. I have never seen anything like that.

If you are going conservative you would think you would slow down and run more clock?

On this I agree. Either run your offense, or burn clock. But don't go conservative and NOT burn clock. Self defeating...

Well, I've been pointing this out since Cal Poly and comparing that to the touted "4th Q Strategy." Exactly what is the point of trying to settle for a close win? The so-called "conservative" play calling has backfired several times this season, and becomes all the more perplexing when Coach Stitt tries to justify his "offensive strategy" in 3rd quarters by "reacting to what the other side is doing," which is an interesting way to describe an "offense."

And when these odd strategies backfire, well, Makena "just isn't up to the task" and "we can't use all our plays," or Brady "just missed a few throws" or was overthrowing too much. The fact is, the QBs seem to start to foul up when Stitt changes "strategies," whether between quarters or between games. Then we end up with a close game; toss a coin as to whether it is a win or loss.

Indeed, of the six games won or lost by ten points or less, the win/loss margin is 50/50 -- the perfect statistical tie.

75 You lost me when you used the Cal Poly game for your "4th quarter Strategy" analysis. In the Cal Poly game we were tied at halftime 14 to 14 and the biggest point difference the whole second half was 3 points. The only time we went conservative that game was the last drive when we ran it and forced Cal Poly to burn their timeouts?????

 

[UMGriz75]

75 You lost me when you used the Cal Poly game for your "4th quarter Strategy" analysis. In the Cal Poly game we were tied at halftime 14 to 14 and the biggest point difference the whole second half was 3 points. The only time we went conservative that game was the last drive when we ran it and forced Cal Poly to burn their timeouts?????

I've already discussed this one, but remember the "4th Q strategy?' In my mind, that is a very conservative strategy. The one that only Brady was smart enough "to get?" Well, there it was, 92 plays. Three fumbles, three interceptions. The 35% third down conversion rate. Play the clock and D. Nobody thought CP could make a half-field field goal. Yes, we forced them to burn their time outs. We sure showed them. At Home.

 

[Umista]

Adding to my confusion about our play while ahead is the (lack of slowing it down) strange play calls. One of my expert retired coaches claims it is a hard thing to do insofar as slowing down your high speed trained team. I also noted one of the broadcasters telling us that it disrupts our playing momentum and take's ourselves out of the game. Could be a big flaw in Stitts ultra fast high octain offense. It may take another season to figure all this out.

 

[daGrizJ]

The last possession, when we really needed to run the clock, Brady was standing around waiting to snap until the last second. Didn't disrupt anyones timing. Seemed to work just fine.

 

[AZDoc]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

I agree, keep doing what got you there. Example, Josh Horner, last two games in the first half 11 catches, last two games second half, 0 catches.

But my main question is if you are going to run more conservative plays, which the coach basically said he was doing, why are we still running the hurry up, fast offense and snapping the ball with 15 to 20 seconds left on the play clock???? That makes no sense to me. At one point in the 4th quarter we were trying to burn clock and SDSU was trying to save time and we were still snapping the ball with 15 or more seconds on the clock and they were snapping the ball at around 10 seconds left on the clock. I have never seen anything like that.

If you are going conservative you would think you would slow down and run more clock?

This is really my point. Maybe a drive with the different formations to see how they line up. Then makes those adjustments. I mean we are nitpicking this because we won, but would love to just see the throttle down for 4 quarters.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I'm all about taking the blame or whatever, but honestly when it's 24-10, put it to the floor. Better yet wait till up 40 to let up. I'd much rather see a 54-7 game then a 24-17 game. Just light everyone up and call it good. less pressure on the Defense. Just my opinion.

I agree, keep doing what got you there. Example, Josh Horner, last two games in the first half 11 catches, last two games second half, 0 catches.

But my main question is if you are going to run more conservative plays, which the coach basically said he was doing, why are we still running the hurry up, fast offense and snapping the ball with 15 to 20 seconds left on the play clock???? That makes no sense to me. At one point in the 4th quarter we were trying to burn clock and SDSU was trying to save time and we were still snapping the ball with 15 or more seconds on the clock and they were snapping the ball at around 10 seconds left on the clock. I have never seen anything like that.

If you are going conservative you would think you would slow down and run more clock?

This is really my point. Maybe a drive with the different formations to see how they line up. Then makes those adjustments. I mean we are nitpicking this because we won, but would love to just see the throttle down for 4 quarters.

Closest we've come is EWU...Punted on first drive, then scored on 9 of next 10 drives. Got a little ugly when the subs came in, but up until that time it was 50-9.