A little roster update

[thirdandlong]

We can banter this issue until Hauck beats the Cats, but here is the reality in Griz Nation.

The VAST MAJORITY of Griz fans are unhappy with Hauck 2.0, and do not believe that he can turn it around. The members of this board do NOT reflect the feelings of the silent majority of Griz fans. I talk to too many Griz fans who don't support Hauck to believe anything else.

The pressure is on Hauck this season, and if you don't believe this you are smoking something green or white. I know for a fact that Bobby is feeling that pressure too, from a very good source. So, keep telling yourselves that he has no pressure from above, and you'll be wrong again.

You okay? You seem pretty obsessive. Take a breather. There is a lot out there in your life to be happy about, I'm sure. Successful in business, a wife that everyone seems to agree is lovely. Go find some joy.

As it is now, you're gonna have a heart attack and die mad at a football coach who doesn't even know your name.

Please, more drama than a middle school girls pajama party

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

You okay? You seem pretty obsessive. Take a breather. There is a lot out there in your life to be happy about, I'm sure. Successful in business, a wife that everyone seems to agree is lovely. Go find some joy.

As it is now, you're gonna have a heart attack and die mad at a football coach who doesn't even know your name.

Please, more drama than a middle school girls pajama party

Yes, you coming here to get your daily fix of hating on the Griz and obsessing about Bobby Hauck is certainly immature and dramatic. But hey, if you want to die mad, that is your choice to make. I'll leave ya to it!

 

[bgbigdog]

Except that we have had years of different results leading up to last year....

Did you just start watching the team last year? Or blackout 2018 through 2021?

Why do you hate the Grizzlies?

Why do you accept mediocrity from a program which has the biggest recruiting advantages in all of FCS football?

What advantages are you speaking of? List them for me, please. Minus the embarrassment of EWU and Barneys Ballpit, most schools in the conference are investing pretty heavily in those things that help attract and retain good recruits. It's not the BSC of old.

Until FCOA and some kind of tenable NIL programs are established, nothing is going to compare with the other schools that have this up and running. It's already been established that what you're seeing is all about being within the budget, so can we stop pretending that a change of coaches is going to be the answer? Nobody will do a better job, because they're hamstrung by finances in the archaic-run higher education funding system. So no, they don't have the "biggest recruiting advantages in all of FCS football." If anything, they're at this with one hand tied behind their backs.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I literally don’t know a single Griz fan who was happy or satisfied with last year’s results. Everyone wants to see marked improvement over last year, and arguing that anyone thinks last year was “good enough” is a losing argument.

What I learned in the corporate world was that as a leader, you craft and manage expectations, every single day. If you're not any good at that, you're going to fail, regardless of your other qualities or abilities. Had Hauck not come out and said "best", and broadcast it far and wide, I'd bet significant monies that most Griz fans would have chalked up last season to injuries, inconsistent QB play, bad breaks, and playing in one of the two most competitive conferences in the division. And let's not forget, the program legend ensures that everyone is bringing their A-game to Missoula or at home when Montana is on the schedule.

Sure, finishing sixth in the conference and being shellacked in bozeman is embarrassing, but far more so when the expectations created by leadership don't match up with the results. It's my sincere hope that Bobby learned that lesson. It's Ok to say RTD, Best, or whatever when establishing goals and objectives with the team and staff. But not so much for the thousands of Griz fans whose expectations weren't met. Under-promising and over-delivering would be a great strategy for 2023 in terms of quieting the critics and getting the program to its goals and objectives.

Where-when did how say "best", about anything?

 

[mthoopsfan]

Show of hands, how many believe 8-5 was "good enough"? I would wait, but that would be a forever wait.

You don't get it, do you? This isn't about last season. This is about a coach who came into the program puffing-up his chest and promising a "Return to Dominance". Instead, he has delivered a downward spiral of results, culminating last season with his worst performance in his tenure. Is that too difficult for even you to understand why serious Griz fans want better???

No, Hauck has delivered an upward trajectory, no. 6 and no. 6, with a blip last year due to the qb injury. Why can't you detail with the facts? Why do you make up some much stuff. I suppose it's because you think you played baseball on UM. You've been lying or hallucinating for decades.

 

[bgbigdog]

We can banter this issue until Hauck beats the Cats, but here is the reality in Griz Nation.

The VAST MAJORITY of Griz fans are unhappy with Hauck 2.0, and do not believe that he can turn it around. The members of this board do NOT reflect the feelings of the silent majority of Griz fans. I talk to too many Griz fans who don't support Hauck to believe anything else.

The pressure is on Hauck this season, and if you don't believe this you are smoking something green or white. I know for a fact that Bobby is feeling that pressure too, from a very good source. So, keep telling yourselves that he has no pressure from above, and you'll be wrong again.

I'm no fan of Hauck, but are you saying that there is a general ringing of hands because Hauck is feeling pressure to deliver? He overpromised and wildly underdelivered last season, simple as that. I hope he's learned that lesson and there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be a hell of a lot more circumspect this season. Because he found out that the guys across the sidelines get paid to coach and recruit/develop talent. They don't hold Montana in awe and will hand him his hat if they aren't significantly better this season.

 

[mthoopsfan]

We can banter this issue until Hauck beats the Cats, but here is the reality in Griz Nation.

The VAST MAJORITY of Griz fans are unhappy with Hauck 2.0, and do not believe that he can turn it around. The members of this board do NOT reflect the feelings of the silent majority of Griz fans. I talk to too many Griz fans who don't support Hauck to believe anything else.

The pressure is on Hauck this season, and if you don't believe this you are smoking something green or white. I know for a fact that Bobby is feeling that pressure too, from a very good source. So, keep telling yourselves that he has no pressure from above, and you'll be wrong again.

The vast majority of the big and important boosters and athletic department, as well as the president, support Hauck. You can talk to your no-nothing friends, but they have no influence over who the coach is and will be.

 

[mthoopsfan]

We can banter this issue until Hauck beats the Cats, but here is the reality in Griz Nation.

The VAST MAJORITY of Griz fans are unhappy with Hauck 2.0, and do not believe that he can turn it around. The members of this board do NOT reflect the feelings of the silent majority of Griz fans. I talk to too many Griz fans who don't support Hauck to believe anything else.

The pressure is on Hauck this season, and if you don't believe this you are smoking something green or white. I know for a fact that Bobby is feeling that pressure too, from a very good source. So, keep telling yourselves that he has no pressure from above, and you'll be wrong again.

I'm no fan of Hauck, but are you saying that there is a general ringing of hands because Hauck is feeling pressure to deliver? He overpromised and wildly underdelivered last season, simple as that. I hope he's learned that lesson and there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be a hell of a lot more circumspect this season. Because he found out that the guys across the sidelines get paid to coach and recruit/develop talent. They don't hold Montana in awe and will hand him his hat if they aren't significantly better this season.

Please provide some quotes on how Hauck "over-promised". I would like to see them. Thx.

 

[SoldierGriz]

You are among the content. I am among the restless. That is the point you and those like you missed.

You have never blown anything up in your life...and I spew facts and the truth.

Be a better fan - raise your expectations - or remain timid and weak.

I would argue that I am amongst the realists, while you, well........

When was the last time that you weren't disappointed with Griz football?

2 seasons ago - curb-stomping the cats.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I would argue that I am amongst the realists, while you, well........

When was the last time that you weren't disappointed with Griz football?

2 seasons ago - curb-stomping the cats.

So all it took was a victory in the Brawl?

 

[SoldierGriz]

2 seasons ago - curb-stomping the cats.

So all it took was a victory in the Brawl?

Well - it doesn't friggin' hurt, that's for sure!

 

[uofmman1122]

I'm no fan of Hauck, but are you saying that there is a general ringing of hands because Hauck is feeling pressure to deliver? He overpromised and wildly underdelivered last season, simple as that. I hope he's learned that lesson and there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be a hell of a lot more circumspect this season. Because he found out that the guys across the sidelines get paid to coach and recruit/develop talent. They don't hold Montana in awe and will hand him his hat if they aren't significantly better this season.

Please provide some quotes on how Hauck "over-promised". I would like to see them. Thx.

This is actually something I was curious about, because the zeitgeist around here since the end of the season has been that Hauck "overpromised".

I went back to see if I could find where that came from, because even I remember something about him saying he thought it was the best team he's ever had, but when I went back and checked, I couldn't find any news story of him claiming that, and I only vaguely recall someone on here claiming that he said that to them (that I also couldn't find).

It feels like the whole "this is the best team we've had in a long time" was much more of a fan opinion shared by a lot of people, rather than anything Bobby ever claimed.

I could be completely wrong, though. If anyone has the quote that started that, I'd be interested to see it again.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Please provide some quotes on how Hauck "over-promised". I would like to see them. Thx.

This is actually something I was curious about, because the zeitgeist around here since the end of the season has been that Hauck "overpromised".

I went back to see if I could find where that came from, because even I remember something about him saying he thought it was the best team he's ever had, but when I went back and checked, I couldn't find any news story of him claiming that, and I only vaguely recall someone on here claiming that he said that to them (that I also couldn't find).

It feels like the whole "this is the best team we've had in a long time" was much more of a fan opinion shared by a lot of people, rather than anything Bobby ever claimed.

I could be completely wrong, though. If anyone has the quote that started that, I'd be interested to see it again.

What he did say, many times, was that this was his FAVORITE team he has coached because he thought so highly of the group of young men. I think there is some amount of people misinterpreting that, but he said that after losses and wins. He genuinely liked that group of kids.

But you're right, I don't recall him saying it was the best team. The conversation on here, back when I just lurked, was that some of the staff put off retirement for a shot at a national championship. But you can't blame Hauck for people posting that here.

 

[uofmman1122]

Yeah, this is all I could find about what Bobby thought of his team before the season started.

Hours after the initial poll anointing the Griz as the No. 3 team in the FCS, Hauck expressed he was ready to talk about something other than rankings.

“I don’t think much about it,” Hauck said. “It’s nice to be recognized as a team that probably has a pretty good chance to have a pretty good season. But now that we are started, I don’t have to talk about that anymore.

“We have a game coming up (September 3 against Northwestern State in Missoula) and I’m excited to watch our team get ready for that and I’m excited for our team to keep score here come September.”

and

Coming off back-to-back 10-win seasons and FCS quarterfinal appearances, the Griz were picked No. 1 in both preseason prognostications.

"I believe we have a really good football team, and I'm pleased to see other coaches and the media agree with that assessment," said UM head coach Bobby Hauck.

"It's nice to have that reinforcement, but now we have to go execute our plan to win."

I dunno, unless I'm missing something, that doesn't sound like he's really promising anything.

 

[thirdandlong]

Please provide some quotes on how Hauck "over-promised". I would like to see them. Thx.

This is actually something I was curious about, because the zeitgeist around here since the end of the season has been that Hauck "overpromised".

I went back to see if I could find where that came from, because even I remember something about him saying he thought it was the best team he's ever had, but when I went back and checked, I couldn't find any news story of him claiming that, and I only vaguely recall someone on here claiming that he said that to them (that I also couldn't find).

It feels like the whole "this is the best team we've had in a long time" was much more of a fan opinion shared by a lot of people, rather than anything Bobby ever claimed.

I could be completely wrong, though. If anyone has the quote that started that, I'd be interested to see it again.

Who cares what he "promised"? I only care about results, and his were the same as the previous few years........ Not Montana Caliber. More like Bobcat results under the Big Human & Ash.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Who cares what he "promised"? I only care about results, and his were the same as the previous few years........ Not Montana Caliber. More like Bobcat results under the Big Human & Ash.

Prior to the back-to-back 10 win seasons in 2019 and 2021, when was the last time that happened?

 

[uofmman1122]

This is actually something I was curious about, because the zeitgeist around here since the end of the season has been that Hauck "overpromised".

I went back to see if I could find where that came from, because even I remember something about him saying he thought it was the best team he's ever had, but when I went back and checked, I couldn't find any news story of him claiming that, and I only vaguely recall someone on here claiming that he said that to them (that I also couldn't find).

It feels like the whole "this is the best team we've had in a long time" was much more of a fan opinion shared by a lot of people, rather than anything Bobby ever claimed.

I could be completely wrong, though. If anyone has the quote that started that, I'd be interested to see it again.

Who cares what he "promised"? I only care about results, and his were the same as the previous few years........ Not Montana Caliber. More like Bobcat results under the Big Human & Ash.

You must have missed the countless posts since the end of the season where people were angry about the "expectations" that Hauck supposedly set before last season. As far as I can see from actually looking for it, he didn't set any expectations.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I believe 4 of 5 seasons the Griz have fallen short of pre-season polling?

Is that right?

If true, that contributes to the expectation deal.

RTD was dumb from the start - very surprised Hauck fell into that. A very good brand, but reeks of overpromising.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

I believe 4 of 5 seasons the Griz have fallen short of pre-season polling?

Is that right?

If true, that contributes to the expectation deal.

RTD was dumb from the start - very surprised Hauck fell into that. A very good brand, but reeks of overpromising.

I don't have the time this morning to do a full deep dive, but no. I just did a quick google and we finished ahead of expectations in 2019 and 2021, it looked like to me.

 

[uofmman1122]

In 2018 we were picked 4th in the media and 7th in the coaches poll. We finished tied for 6th.

In 2019 we were picked 5th in the media and 4th in the coaches poll. We finished tied for 3rd.

In 2021 we were picked 2nd in both the media and coaches polls. We finished tied for 3rd.

We all know about last season.

For FCS preseason polls, we were picked 24th in 2018, 25th in 2019, 9th in 2021, and 3rd in 2022.

Outside of the whole "RTD" stuff, I still don't know how these polls suggest Bobby specifically was setting expectations higher than he should have been, unless anyone has any quotes or soundbites suggesting otherwise.