A couple of quick thoughts after watching the game

[EverettGriz]

Carry on with all of your imprecise or incorrect information

Oh, the irony.

Brint was 100% correct, and you are 100% wrong. It WAS in fact, a fumbled punt. By rule, a returner cannot in any way, shape or form "fumble" a punt while trying to field it. He can only "muff" it. Therefore, what Nguyen did during that return was indeed "fumble a punt". You can only "fumble" a punt once you've got possession; otherwise, it's a muff. (Oh, and to be 100% accurate, a returner can't muff a kickoff. Those are fumbles; but common terminology refers to them as muffs).

But carry on being a complete dick, particularly with all of your imprecise and incorrect information.

Jesus, I wish you'd played the game....

 

[THE HERD]

I'm worried that this team could give NDSU... and maybe EWU... it's "A" game and that might not be enough. NDSU is balanced and executes to perfection. EWU has the best looking offense in the FCS... defense doesn't look good though.

Last years NDSU team executed to perfection, thus far this year we have had more penalties especially along the O-line, which makes sense since we are replacing four guys from last year. We have also been rotating seven guys up there this year, coach Kleiman said he wanted to get reps for some of these young guys before conference play starts. Our D is still pretty stoudt, but we are way thinner at DT this year....can't afford any injuries there.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I thought Logan Hines was playing Center. Whoever it was, it was definitely the left guard's error on those two untouched sacks. In the Wyoming game, the MLB did line up over center but came through the left B-gap while the left DT went A-Gap. The center is responsible for the A-Gap DT while the guard needs to slide back to pick up the linebacker after stepping inside. The LG got his shoulders turned towards the DT and didn't keep his eyes on the MLB.

The CWU untouched sack was just baffling. There were three guys blocking the same right DT (LG, C, RG). I don't know if the LG just felt like he needed to hit somebody so he left his area or what. (Two of the most important things for pass blocking in a zone blocking scheme is patience and trust in your teammates. Sometimes you might be blocking air for a second but that's okay. Keep your head on a swivel because if a player stunts away from your gap assignment there is likely someone coming to replace him.)

Then again, maybe the stack call wasn't correct from center (the LG still needs to pick up anything that comes across his face). Anyway, the OL has been tougher than I expected being so young and light but they definitely need to improve mentally on assignments, which is actually encouraging because it should be easier to correct than strength and toughness would be.

Not to get nitpicky, because lord knows, I never played the game, but wasn't it the LT, LG and C that blocked the right DT of CWU? Whatever the case, for the 2nd game in a row, we had multiple guys blocking ONE guy and someone coming through (lined up directly over center) untouched. Teams are gonna pick that shit up and our QB will be a dead man before too long if it isn't fixed pronto.

 

[PlayerRep]

Carry on with all of your imprecise or incorrect information

Oh, the irony.

Brint was 100% correct, and you are 100% wrong. It WAS in fact, a fumbled punt. By rule, a returner cannot in any way, shape or form "fumble" a punt while trying to field it. He can only "muff" it. Therefore, what Nguyen did during that return was indeed "fumble a punt". You can only "fumble" a punt once you've got possession; otherwise, it's a muff. (Oh, and to be 100% accurate, a returner can't muff a kickoff. Those are fumbles; but common terminology refers to them as muffs).

But carry on being a complete dick, particularly with all of your imprecise and incorrect information.

Jesus, I wish you'd played the game....

No, technically, there is no such thing as a fumbled punt. By definition, dropping a punt is a muff, not a fumble. Yes, a punt can be caught, and then fumbled later. In the case of Nguyen, he fumbled the ball after catching it and running 13 yards. Yes, it was a fumble during a punt return, but, again, not a fumbled punt. Even Brint admitted that he had not used the correct/best terminology. Doesn't appear that you ever played the game, or if you ever did, you must have been a lineman. I, on the other hand, was a semi-expert at muffing punts.

 

[dupuyer griz]

Alright, I'm just going to throw this out there. No one really gives a shit if it was muffed or fumbled. He had an opportunity and put the ball on the ground. Luckily we got both of them back but he is averaging 1 ball out per game so far. We won't always be lucky enough to get it back. Why don't we just put the dick measuring contest on hold and just agree that he had the ball then he didn't an that is not good.

On another note, we were discussing safety/corner play. I'm just going out on a limb here...I was thinking that if they're not going to throw further than 3 yards down the field it might be nice to man up a little rather than play 8-10 off the ball...just a thought. This is on the coaches, they did it all year last year and it killed us. Man defense has to be in the playbook. The soft zone bend don't break will kill us at some point this year. Imagine what a great qb will do to us in that coverage. If you think Safron and Adams aren't going to eat that coverage up you're crazy.

Defense as a whole was pretty good. Still a lot of halfassery on the tackling though. I watched the NDSU Weber game and Weber didn't break tackles. Whether it was a run up the middle or a catch in space everyone tackled well. We are missing and sloughing off way too much. Any one player should be able to tackle any other player. 2-3 missed tackles on a play is not good.

 

[PlayerRep]

Alright, I'm just going to throw this out there. No one really gives a shit if it was muffed or fumbled. He had an opportunity and put the ball on the ground. Luckily we got both of them back but he is averaging 1 ball out per game so far. We won't always be lucky enough to get it back. Why don't we just put the dick measuring contest on hold and just agree that he had the ball then he didn't an that is not good.

On another note, we were discussing safety/corner play. I'm just going out on a limb here...I was thinking that if they're not going to throw further than 3 yards down the field it might be nice to man up a little rather than play 8-10 off the ball...just a thought. This is on the coaches, they did it all year last year and it killed us. Man defense has to be in the playbook. The soft zone bend don't break will kill us at some point this year. Imagine what a great qb will do to us in that coverage. If you think Safron and Adams aren't going to eat that coverage up you're crazy.

Defense as a whole was pretty good. Still a lot of halfassery on the tackling though. I watched the NDSU Weber game and Weber didn't break tackles. Whether it was a run up the middle or a catch in space everyone tackled well. We are missing and sloughing off way too much. Any one player should be able to tackle any other player. 2-3 missed tackles on a play is not good.

Yes, some people care if it was a muffed punt, or a fumbled punt return. In fact, that was the discussion that was occurring. No one cares whether or not you care about that mini-discussion. I, for one, don't care about your incorrect views on secondary play. Better pull your dick in, or it may get run over.

 

[dupuyer griz]

Alright, I'm just going to throw this out there. No one really gives a shit if it was muffed or fumbled. He had an opportunity and put the ball on the ground. Luckily we got both of them back but he is averaging 1 ball out per game so far. We won't always be lucky enough to get it back. Why don't we just put the dick measuring contest on hold and just agree that he had the ball then he didn't an that is not good.

On another note, we were discussing safety/corner play. I'm just going out on a limb here...I was thinking that if they're not going to throw further than 3 yards down the field it might be nice to man up a little rather than play 8-10 off the ball...just a thought. This is on the coaches, they did it all year last year and it killed us. Man defense has to be in the playbook. The soft zone bend don't break will kill us at some point this year. Imagine what a great qb will do to us in that coverage. If you think Safron and Adams aren't going to eat that coverage up you're crazy.

Defense as a whole was pretty good. Still a lot of halfassery on the tackling though. I watched the NDSU Weber game and Weber didn't break tackles. Whether it was a run up the middle or a catch in space everyone tackled well. We are missing and sloughing off way too much. Any one player should be able to tackle any other player. 2-3 missed tackles on a play is not good.

Yes, some people care if it was a muffed punt, or a fumbled punt return. In fact, that was the discussion that was occurring. No one cares whether or not you care about that mini-discussion. I, for one, don't care about your incorrect views on secondary play. Better pull your dick in, or it may get run over.

Oh you got me good there woo guess I better leave haha. You really think that playing 8-10 off the ball against a team that threw 70-80% of their passes less than 3 yards downfield is a good idea. I mean, I know you played the game but honestly, explain how it's good to be 7-13 yards from where the pass is going to be completed. Do you also think our zone coverage was good? Seemed like there were a lot of passes completed in what is it they call it ... oh yeah, the soft spots of the zone coverage.

 

[Brock Landers]

3. I got a text saying Hermanson screwed up on the 1st CWU TD but it looked to me that Hermey was on the other side of the field, a safety in grey sleeves who I didn't see was fooled on the play. I'd assume that's Whitted or Dellaserra.

That would be Whitted

 

[qwerty15ster]

The only thought I had that hasn't yet been mentioned is that our D-line has stolen DOLA and turned it into DDLA. Man I love what they're doing.

 

[NewPapaBear]

As most know I was out of town this weekend, I watched the game up to when it was 41-7, then fast forwarded to Nguyen's touchdown, and then flipped back to watching the NFL games.

Just a few thoughts I'd share.

1. TraVon yesterday was a man among boys. That guy is the x-factor on this team and an incredible playmaker. If he can stay healthy and Ellis gets back to 100% (or near it) this offense could be very impressive with it's skill players. Only one nit-pick, Van sticking out 1 hand instead of 2 to try to catch a lazer of a SSH pass that would've been a TD. He catches that ball and probably could avoid the hit and be off to the races for another TD.

:thumb: AGREED now stay healthy & protect the ball in traffic. 10 to 6, 10 to 7 & 10 to 8. Every hour on the hour!

2. The O-line looked better but they should against a D-2 school. One play though where SSH was sacked, once again the MLB lines up over Logan Hines to blitz and Hines lets him right through, totally didn't see it. That's twice that's happened in two games that I've seen. Other teams are going to start attacking him with blitzes if he keeps missing recognitions on blitzes.

O line is obvious KEY to the entire season...coach em up & step up!

3. I got a text saying Hermanson screwed up on the 1st CWU TD but it looked to me that Hermey was on the other side of the field, a safety in grey sleeves who I didn't see was fooled on the play. I'd assume that's Whitted or Dellaserra. The WR motions in and the corner points back to the safety, presumably pointing out he'll need help on the inside, when the pass is thrown that safety is on one knee and appears to recognize he messed up.

#12 is a stud!!! I played Safety in college, he's covering for others & you can get lost trying to do that at times for CBs & LBs depending on formation. Conflict of Assignment & Influence are the two new key phrases in football scheme responsibilities & he does that as well as anyone in the BSC.

4. Great games from Tonga and Tyrone on the D-line.
We have the best D Line in the BSC & defintely top 5 in FCS. Scary thought of them staying healthy & getting better & better!

5. John Nguyen got super lucky on that fumbled punt. Also on his first run he cuts right in to a tackler and is brought down, on his TD run he's looking away from a guy that drills him in the back but it carries him in to the endzone. Not sure what's up - it almost seems like he's having issues or doesn't have that awareness of players around him like some others do? Or is he too hyper-focused on protecting the ball and putting it in the right arm to protect from a football-jarring hit? As for the ST fumble, he muffed a kickoff too last week that he recovered. I think even if the team has to replace him with a guy that can just catch the ball clean each time then do it. special teams fumbles/turnovers are killer.

replace him with Henderson on Punts & Van on Kick Offs (Henderson & Van on K.O. together!)

6. I thought SSH did a decent job. The TD throw to Van was perfectly dropped in there. He would've had another on that quick pass to Van as well. He operated the offense efficiently and they moved the ball fairly well.

Is it me or does he just take too long to deliver the football? It screws with the timing of the receivers. He missed Henderson wide open 2x (again) Saturday & it reminded me of the 2012 season. Some D-1 drop down could be a benefactor next season with Jones, Naccarato, Janssen & Henderson to throw too if they choose to join the Griz.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Is it me or does he just take too long to deliver the football? It screws with the timing of the receivers. He missed Henderson wide open 2x (again) Saturday & it reminded me of the 2012 season. Some D-1 drop down could be a benefactor next season with Jones, Naccarato, Janssen & Henderson to throw too if they choose to join the Griz.

It's not just you. And everyone in the stadium can tell where it's going 2 seconds before it leaves his hand.

 

[BWahlberg]

Is it me or does he just take too long to deliver the football? It screws with the timing of the receivers. He missed Henderson wide open 2x (again) Saturday & it reminded me of the 2012 season. Some D-1 drop down could be a benefactor next season with Jones, Naccarato, Janssen & Henderson to throw too if they choose to join the Griz.

It's not just you. And everyone in the stadium can tell where it's going 2 seconds before it leaves his hand.

Yeah commented on that before, SSH's wind up and throw is slower than the other QBs, and it's a noticeable difference.

 

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

It's not just you. And everyone in the stadium can tell where it's going 2 seconds before it leaves his hand.

Yeah commented on that before, SSH's wind up and throw is slower than the other QBs, and it's a noticeable difference.

Not just the throws looked slower, I swear to God his handoffs looked slower too. Maybe it was just because I was watching the game in a stomach flu-induced stupor, but it seemed like he was moving in quicksand when turning to hand the ball off. And that's not to take away from SSH's performance at all on Saturday....he did exactly what a backup is supposed to do, thankfully against an undermatched opponent. Everything just seems to happen faster with JJ in there.

 

[PlayerRep]

Perhaps this is a sign that some of you are starting to figure out the game and get on top of the game, so you're now seeing the game in slow motion--which is what some good players say occurs when they are on top of their game.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Perhaps this is a sign that some of you are starting to figure out the game and get on top of the game, so you're now seeing the game in slow motion--which is what some good players say occurs when they are on top of their game.

That's great news, my stopwatch is at the height of it's game too!

 

[Gallatin Griz]

Those of you in the know/close to the program's powers that be - How is JJ recovering? Is he expected back for Coyote Joe and his boys?

 

[PlayerRep]

Those of you in the know/close to the program's powers that be - How is JJ recovering? Is he expected back for Coyote Joe and his boys?

Don't know, but my impression, as of late last week, was that he was expected back this week.

 

[PlayerRep]

Perhaps this is a sign that some of you are starting to figure out the game and get on top of the game, so you're now seeing the game in slow motion--which is what some good players say occurs when they are on top of their game.

That's great news, my stopwatch is at the height of it's game too!

Someone asked me a few years ago what my 40 time was then. I said I didn't know because I was only up to 30 yards at that time.

 

[grizcountry420]

Perhaps this is a sign that some of you are starting to figure out the game and get on top of the game, so you're now seeing the game in slow motion--which is what some good players say occurs when they are on top of their game.

That's great news, my stopwatch is at the height of it's game too!

Someone asked me a few years ago what my 40 time was then. I said I didn't know because I was only up to 30 yards at that time.

Someone as gifted as you are, I'm sure it didn't matter how fast you ran cause nobody threw to your side of the field..

 

[AZGrizFan]

Perhaps this is a sign that some of you are starting to figure out the game and get on top of the game, so you're now seeing the game in slow motion--which is what some good players say occurs when they are on top of their game.

That's great news, my stopwatch is at the height of it's game too!

Someone asked me a few years ago what my 40 time was then. I said I didn't know because I was only up to 30 yards at that time.

Someone as gifted as you are, I'm sure it didn't matter how fast you ran cause nobody threw to your side of the field..

:lol: :clap: