8 areas of needed improvement for the 2017 Griz

[AZGrizFan]

At least I was responding to a direct request for my opinion.

Except it WASN'T PRESENTED AS YOUR OPINION. IT WAS PRESENTED AS FACT. AFTER FACT. AFTER FACT.

That simple distinction seems to routinely escape you. :roll: :roll: :roll:

And I thoroughly enjoy pointing out your hypocrisy. You'd blow a fucking gasket and give us a 10,000 word manifesto if someone else posted shit as fact that so obviously wasn't.

 

[kemajic]

And are you talking about the same D1 DC who's team went 4-7 and gave up 41 to Sac State (D-II DC gave up 7), 38 to SUU (D-II DC gave up 20) and 41 to EWU (ours gave up 35)? THREE common opponents and their D1 DC went 0-3. 0-4 if you count last year's 35 points MSU put up versus this year's 24 against our D-II DC. You sure define "successful" different than most people...and not in a good way. Sure TG going to the 'Scats bolstered them...after their trainwreck of a 2015 season, their D had NOWHERE to go but up...TG was at least smart enough to recognize the low hanging opportunities that existed there...

I find it hilarious you comment on Peppinger's performance in Wa/Griz...you realize he went 1-3 that day in FG's, yes? Is that how you define "good kicking" the fans witnessed? And for the record, Peppinger was 9/13 on FG's on the year...a 70% average. Our kickers were 15/19 in FG's...a 79% average. Now, I might take Peppinger if for no other reason than he WAS a local kid...but it ain't because he's all-world compared to what we have on our roster.

I think he's talking about the DC that totally embarrassed Stitt's offense after his first play of the game and beat him in his own house. Even with his statistics loaded senior QB that TG knew how to expose.

Did you miss that UM kickers missed 10 XP's? How many did MSU's miss?

 

[HookedonGriz]

What are you predicting for 2017 (honestly asking)?

Well, I've always said I thought Bob Stitt was a smart guy, but that his ego and stubbornness get in the way. And he's a nice enough guy, very cordial and has an infectious enthusiasm and that's part of his personal charm, but anybody that's actually listened to him and heard what he says, as opposed to what they want to hear, will understand what I am saying about him.

His continual whining about the players and the team did, I think, finally reach a "come to Jesus" moment after the Griz Cat game. His head was slammed in the door and he had the most miserable week in his life. I do think that he finally realized that his DII experiences had not translated up to DI.

He realized vividly that his arrogant condescension about Ty Gregorak -- and his annoying asides about it throughout the season -- and his faith in replacing a successful DI DC with a relatively inexperienced DII DC had been badly misplaced and blew up on him in the most public way possible. He made a profound strategic error in staffing choices. No other way to put the lipstick on that pig. He f------ up, it hurt the Griz and it bolstered the Cats. And 26,182 people saw it live and understood that all too clearly by 3:30 p.m. November 19.

Choate's comments about our linemen stances had to have been humiliating since it was not only true, but gave a compelling talking point to every coach recruiting against us: "these guys don't even know how to play DI football." And 26,182 fans saw a local boy do some good kicking, an MSU recruit that Stitt rejected over the advice of his assistant staff.

Kent Haslam has had his conversation with Stitt. And Haslam was none too happy over the "firestorm" over Stitt that erupted after the Griz Cat game. Not my word. The assistant coaching staff has had their unhappy meeting with Stitt and Semore; this is a coaching staff very unhappy with how Stitt manages this team and they said so.

So, what "needs" improvement for 2017? Our Head Coach and his attitude.

Can that be fixed?

Optimistically, why not?

Pessimistically, how? I think he's got the picture, now, but much of that picture was painted by inexperience. How do you get that during an off-season? Well the good news is perhaps found in the assistants. That's a good staff. Stitt listening to them would be a good start.

All that noise and zero prediction.


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I,too, would like to see an honest prediction from 75 on the 2017 season.

I mean with all that insider intel, superior connections to athletes and social groups, 27 different professional titles and positions, and abilities to research, quote, and write essays comparable to the likes of "War and Peace", I can't think of any other prediction that would hold more weight than one from 75. Please enlighten us with a prediction for 2017.

My only ask is that you avoid the following:
- 3 celebrities will die in 2017
- Jennifer Lopez and Drake won't last
- the 49ers won't win the Super Bowl
- either JMU or YSU will win the FCS title on Saturday

You know, because those are obvious and we all know that your opinions on the Griz and coaches are anything but. Prediction please.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And are you talking about the same D1 DC who's team went 4-7 and gave up 41 to Sac State (D-II DC gave up 7), 38 to SUU (D-II DC gave up 20) and 41 to EWU (ours gave up 35)? THREE common opponents and their D1 DC went 0-3. 0-4 if you count last year's 35 points MSU put up versus this year's 24 against our D-II DC. You sure define "successful" different than most people...and not in a good way. Sure TG going to the 'Scats bolstered them...after their trainwreck of a 2015 season, their D had NOWHERE to go but up...TG was at least smart enough to recognize the low hanging opportunities that existed there...

I find it hilarious you comment on Peppinger's performance in Wa/Griz...you realize he went 1-3 that day in FG's, yes? Is that how you define "good kicking" the fans witnessed? And for the record, Peppinger was 9/13 on FG's on the year...a 70% average. Our kickers were 15/19 in FG's...a 79% average. Now, I might take Peppinger if for no other reason than he WAS a local kid...but it ain't because he's all-world compared to what we have on our roster.

I think he's talking about the DC that totally embarrassed Stitt's offense after his first play of the game and beat him in his own house. Even with his statistics loaded senior QB that TG knew how to expose.

Did you miss that UM kickers missed 10 XP's? How many did MSU's miss?

Yeah, imagine that. Our old DC having a little inside knowledge. Whodathunkit. It was only talked about as a very distinct possibility here on eGriz ad nauseam in the months leading up to the game.

 

[UMGriz75]

At least I was responding to a direct request for my opinion.

Except it WASN'T PRESENTED AS YOUR OPINION. IT WAS PRESENTED AS FACT. AFTER FACT. AFTER FACT.

That simple distinction seems to routinely escape you. :roll: :roll: :roll:

And I thoroughly enjoy pointing out your hypocrisy. You'd blow a f***[*] gasket and give us a 10,000 word manifesto if someone else posted shit as fact that so obviously wasn't.

Here's what I said.

His continual whining about the players and the team did, I think, finally reach a "come to Jesus" moment after the Griz Cat game. His head was slammed in the door and he had the most miserable week in his life. I do think that he finally realized that his DII experiences had not translated up to DI. That's the obvious explanation for his "Sally Fields Press Conference" the following week.

Only a complete idiot or a dedicated troll would not understand that those are not very highly disguised words meaning "my opinion."

Take your pick. :twisted:

"Both" is an acceptable reply.

 

[argh!]

The Coach's public comments on the team's play "on the field" is part of what appears to have destroyed this team's desire to "play on the field." How would you fix it? Look to "improvements" by encouraging the Coach to talk more about his negative attitudes about the UM Griz in public?

Think that'll help?

Are you for real?

so the entire team just up and quit wanting to play football because of a couple comments by stitt, including one that said they didn't come out fired up and ready to play, which they didn't? 'lack of fire' type of comments are made by coaches all the time, i would think as a means to instill some sense of urgency in their team. but never mind that, when stitt made such a statement it "destroyed" the team's desire to play? seems to me that a good percentage of griz players have enough pride that their response to such a comment would be to go out the next game and play with as much energy as they possess in order to prove they don't lack fire. however and alas, according to squirrel the team is composed of a bunch of nancy-boys who are so weak they allow their desire to play football to be "destroyed" by a couple critical comments about the team by the coach.

ah, squirrel, my friend - i can't wait to read more nut-job comments you buried in the lawn this fall, in order to dig them up and post them on egriz, providing the verbal equivalent of empty calories to keep us warm during the long, cold winter.

 

[AZGrizFan]

At least I was responding to a direct request for my opinion.

Except it WASN'T PRESENTED AS YOUR OPINION. IT WAS PRESENTED AS FACT. AFTER FACT. AFTER FACT.

That simple distinction seems to routinely escape you. :roll: :roll: :roll:

And I thoroughly enjoy pointing out your hypocrisy. You'd blow a f***[*] gasket and give us a 10,000 word manifesto if someone else posted shit as fact that so obviously wasn't.

Here's what I said.

His continual whining about the players and the team did, I think, finally reach a "come to Jesus" moment after the Griz Cat game. His head was slammed in the door and he had the most miserable week in his life. I do think that he finally realized that his DII experiences had not translated up to DI. That's the obvious explanation for his "Sally Fields Press Conference" the following week.

Only a complete idiot or a dedicated troll would not understand that those are not very highly disguised words meaning "my opinion."

Take your pick. :twisted:

"Both" is an acceptable reply.

I notice you stopped quoting your post riiiiiiiiight about the point where you started presenting opinion as fact. Well done. :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[UMGriz75]

I notice you stopped quoting your post riiiiiiiiight about the point where you started presenting opinion as fact. Well done. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Now you're scrambling. There was a reason that the second paragraph followed the first -- I apologize on that the writing style is too complex for you -- but the purpose was to "continue" the opinion. I would say that an idiot can see that, but that would be an insult to idiots everywhere.

Typical train wreck. Typical troll.

 

[UMGriz75]

... seems to me that a good percentage of griz players have enough pride that their response to such a comment would be to go out the next game and play with as much energy as they possess in order to prove they don't lack fire.

If that's what you saw, instead of the 24-17 loss to a 2-6 conference team with a freshman quarterback, obviously you don't need to watch actual football games. The make-believe ones are much easier for you.

 

[kemajic]

And are you talking about the same D1 DC who's team went 4-7 and gave up 41 to Sac State (D-II DC gave up 7), 38 to SUU (D-II DC gave up 20) and 41 to EWU (ours gave up 35)? THREE common opponents and their D1 DC went 0-3. 0-4 if you count last year's 35 points MSU put up versus this year's 24 against our D-II DC. You sure define "successful" different than most people...and not in a good way. Sure TG going to the 'Scats bolstered them...after their trainwreck of a 2015 season, their D had NOWHERE to go but up...TG was at least smart enough to recognize the low hanging opportunities that existed there...

I find it hilarious you comment on Peppinger's performance in Wa/Griz...you realize he went 1-3 that day in FG's, yes? Is that how you define "good kicking" the fans witnessed? And for the record, Peppinger was 9/13 on FG's on the year...a 70% average. Our kickers were 15/19 in FG's...a 79% average. Now, I might take Peppinger if for no other reason than he WAS a local kid...but it ain't because he's all-world compared to what we have on our roster.

I think he's talking about the DC that totally embarrassed Stitt's offense after his first play of the game and beat him in his own house. Even with his statistics loaded senior QB that TG knew how to expose.

Did you miss that UM kickers missed 10 XP's? How many did MSU's miss?

Yeah, imagine that. Our old DC having a little inside knowledge. Whodathunkit. It was only talked about as a very distinct possibility here on eGriz ad nauseam in the months leading up to the game.

Our OC also had a little inside knowledge regarding his old DC and publicly stated he would not back off after getting over 50. That seemed to work for the first play; from then on our OC shot blanks.

 

[sdk.catfish]

8 areas of needed improvement for the 2017 Griz

I'm still not seeing anything in the last 20 or so posts related to the original post unless it is the premise that the coaching staff needs to do some self-examination, and then accept accountability next year as well. I think everybody gets that. Please move on.............. :x

 

[bgbigdog]

And any thread on here minus the "thank you for your service" discussion @ the appropriate time is constructive? Take a few minutes to peruse the Ask CDA thread & refresh your understanding of the term "pissing contest."

For gosh sakes, it's a f$&king free-for-all internet message board that only a couple folks take for gospel, dam it.

 

[fanofzoo]

8 areas of needed improvement for the 2017 Griz

I'm still not seeing anything in the last 20 or so posts related to the original post unless it is the premise that the coaching staff needs to do some self-examination, and then accept accountability next year as well. I think everybody gets that. Please move on.............. :x

Your right, please tell General Custer.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I notice you stopped quoting your post riiiiiiiiight about the point where you started presenting opinion as fact. Well done. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Now you're scrambling. There was a reason that the second paragraph followed the first -- I apologize on that the writing style is too complex for you -- but the purpose was to "continue" the opinion. I would say that an idiot can see that, but that would be an insult to idiots everywhere.

Typical train wreck. Typical troll.

Keep backpedaling, troll.

And keep posting those keen insights from your multiple conversations with the movers and shakers inside the program. We all love those....

 

[PlayerRep]

I notice you stopped quoting your post riiiiiiiiight about the point where you started presenting opinion as fact. Well done. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Now you're scrambling. There was a reason that the second paragraph followed the first -- I apologize on that the writing style is too complex for you -- but the purpose was to "continue" the opinion. I would say that an idiot can see that, but that would be an insult to idiots everywhere.

Typical train wreck. Typical troll.

Keep backpedaling, troll.

And keep posting those keen insights from your multiple conversations with the movers and shakers inside the program. We all love those....

AZ, you used to be a pretty good poster. What happened? You are being more of a troll than 75? If you disagree with 75, tell us why. What is he saying that you believe is wrong? Personally, I find that posters who call another poster who is posting mostly substance, are showing that they have no arguments and essentially have run out of game.

 

[UMGriz75]

I notice you stopped quoting your post riiiiiiiiight about the point where you started presenting opinion as fact. Well done. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Now you're scrambling. There was a reason that the second paragraph followed the first -- I apologize on that the writing style is too complex for you -- but the purpose was to "continue" the opinion. I would say that an idiot can see that, but that would be an insult to idiots everywhere.

Typical train wreck. Typical troll.

Keep backpedaling, troll.

It's obvious you didn't understand the specific words in the post. OK, you didn't understand the words in Stitt's contract either. You're consistent. Perhaps trying too hard?

 

[George Ferguson]

And are you talking about the same D1 DC who's team went 4-7 and gave up 41 to Sac State (D-II DC gave up 7), 38 to SUU (D-II DC gave up 20) and 41 to EWU (ours gave up 35)? THREE common opponents and their D1 DC went 0-3. 0-4 if you count last year's 35 points MSU put up versus this year's 24 against our D-II DC. You sure define "successful" different than most people...and not in a good way. Sure TG going to the 'Scats bolstered them...after their trainwreck of a 2015 season, their D had NOWHERE to go but up...TG was at least smart enough to recognize the low hanging opportunities that existed there...

I find it hilarious you comment on Peppinger's performance in Wa/Griz...you realize he went 1-3 that day in FG's, yes? Is that how you define "good kicking" the fans witnessed? And for the record, Peppinger was 9/13 on FG's on the year...a 70% average. Our kickers were 15/19 in FG's...a 79% average. Now, I might take Peppinger if for no other reason than he WAS a local kid...but it ain't because he's all-world compared to what we have on our roster.

I think he's talking about the DC that totally embarrassed Stitt's offense after his first play of the game and beat him in his own house. Even with his statistics loaded senior QB that TG knew how to expose.

Did you miss that UM kickers missed 10 XP's? How many did MSU's miss?

Yeah, imagine that. Our old DC having a little inside knowledge. Whodathunkit. It was only talked about as a very distinct possibility here on eGriz ad nauseam in the months leading up to the game.

Our OC also had a little inside knowledge regarding his old DC and publicly stated he would not back off after getting over 50. That seemed to work for the first play; from then on our OC shot blanks.

Actually, in the week leading up to the Brawl, Ty, Stitt, Choate and Gustafson were all quoted as saying that MSU's defense was nothing like the one Ty ran while in Missoula. Not in scheme, philosophy or personnel. Should Stitt have still known how to attack it better, just by watching film like they do for every other team? Yes. Absolutely. He's the OC and that completely falls on him. But, again, MSU's defense was NOT the Ty Gregorak defenses in Missoula, while the UM offense WAS the offense Ty went up against every single day for a spring, fall camp and a regular season, plus two playoff weeks. Definitely advantage Ty. Definitely NOT a wash just because TG used to coach for the Griz. That's a major misconception. TG had a decided edge, The Cats knew it, UM knew it, and that edge was one of a multitude of reasons why the Cats kicked the Griz ass up one side and down the other. It was an advantage the minute Ty left for Bozeman, and the Griz, in particular Stitt, didn't handle it well at all. Well done Ty Gregorak.

 

[UMGriz75]

Our OC also had a little inside knowledge regarding his old DC and publicly stated he would not back off after getting over 50.

I am getting to the point of wincing when the guy talks. It might be an "area of improvement" if he did not.

 

[grzz]

I would like to see 75's prediction for the record next year. Just that, no extra words.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think he's talking about the DC that totally embarrassed Stitt's offense after his first play of the game and beat him in his own house. Even with his statistics loaded senior QB that TG knew how to expose.

Did you miss that UM kickers missed 10 XP's? How many did MSU's miss?

Yeah, imagine that. Our old DC having a little inside knowledge. Whodathunkit. It was only talked about as a very distinct possibility here on eGriz ad nauseam in the months leading up to the game.

Our OC also had a little inside knowledge regarding his old DC and publicly stated he would not back off after getting over 50. That seemed to work for the first play; from then on our OC shot blanks.

Actually, in the week leading up to the Brawl, Ty, Stitt, Choate and Gustafson were all quoted as saying that MSU's defense was nothing like the one Ty ran while in Missoula. Not in scheme, philosophy or personnel. Should Stitt have still known how to attack it better, just by watching film like they do for every other team? Yes. Absolutely. He's the OC and that completely falls on him. But, again, MSU's defense was NOT the Ty Gregorak defenses in Missoula, while the UM offense WAS the offense Ty went up against every single day for a spring, fall camp and a regular season, plus two playoff weeks. Definitely advantage Ty. Definitely NOT a wash just because TG used to coach for the Griz. That's a major misconception. TG had a decided edge, The Cats knew it, UM knew it, and that edge was one of a multitude of reasons why the Cats kicked the Griz ass up one side and down the other. It was an advantage the minute Ty left for Bozeman, and the Griz, in particular Stitt, didn't handle it well at all. Well done Ty Gregorak.

TG may have had an edge by knowing the UM offense and some personnel, but he didn't have the personnel to have a strong defense. I was told that the Cat D coaches studied tape on the UM offense, and figured out how to defend the UM O based on formation, personnel, etc. In fact, I heard that most any good conference D coaches could figure out how to defend against the UM O by studying tape.

If the UM coaches really knew that TG had the edge, why didn't they change more things and do something to take the edge away?

Something bad happened to the Griz in the last half of the season and in the last 2 games. I have no clue what that was. Whatever that was needs to be identified and fixed. Hav, you seem to be fairly close to the program, at least at times. What happened? Kem seems to have some of the same observations I have, but I don't think he's close enough to the inside to know. I didn't see the last game, and I haven't talked to anyone in or close to the program since mid-Nov., so I don't have any inside info. Something was wrong, or went horribly wrong, as the season went on. Again, what was it?