8 areas of needed improvement for the 2017 Griz

[UMGriz75]

Except for 2016. This team regressed as the season progressed. There is no way this can be explained away as youth.

I like stats, and noted this in the 2015 season, that, despite a positive record, the "stats" were showing some unsettling trends, and that I believed the team was regressing even as the 2015 season unfolded. Brady's performances under Stitt were showing disturbingly wide variations, which were increasing as his playing time under Stitt increased, and this was true of every substitute QB as well. Never seen that before.

I pointed that out, and detailed the statistical analysis behind it, that I believed we had a "coaching" problem, not a player problem. The usual jackwagons came out in force, but the fact is, the 2016 season was predictable, and it was predicted. It just wasn't predicted by any of those here that claim, loudly and continuously, that they know all about football. :lol:

 

[MT Head Guy]

Except for 2016. This team regressed as the season progressed. There is no way this can be explained away as youth.

I like stats, and noted this in the 2015 season, that, despite a positive record, the "stats" were showing some unsettling trends, and that I believed the team was regressing even as the 2015 season unfolded. Brady's performances under Stitt were showing disturbingly wide variations, which were increasing as his playing time under Stitt increased, and this was true of every substitute QB as well. Never seen that before.

I pointed that out, and detailed the statistical analysis behind it, that I believed we had a "coaching" problem, not a player problem. The usual jackwagons came out in force, but the fact is, the 2016 season was predictable, and it was predicted. It just wasn't predicted by any of those here that claim, loudly and continuously, that they know all about football. :lol:

What are you predicting for 2017 (honestly asking)?

 

[brewskis]

Except for 2016. This team regressed as the season progressed. There is no way this can be explained away as youth.

I like stats, and noted this in the 2015 season, that, despite a positive record, the "stats" were showing some unsettling trends, and that I believed the team was regressing even as the 2015 season unfolded. Brady's performances under Stitt were showing disturbingly wide variations, which were increasing as his playing time under Stitt increased, and this was true of every substitute QB as well. Never seen that before.

I pointed that out, and detailed the statistical analysis behind it, that I believed we had a "coaching" problem, not a player problem. The usual jackwagons came out in force, but the fact is, the 2016 season was predictable, and it was predicted. It just wasn't predicted by any of those here that claim, loudly and continuously, that they know all about football. :lol:

What are you predicting for 2017 (honestly asking)?

Haha good luck getting one out of him. He's willing to lend an opinion on just about anything...but if it involves him risking being proven wrong or a concrete prediction......all you get are crickets.


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[UMGriz75]

What are you predicting for 2017 (honestly asking)?

Well, I've always said I thought Bob Stitt was a smart guy, but that his ego and stubbornness get in the way. And he's a nice enough guy, very cordial and has an infectious enthusiasm and that's part of his personal charm, but anybody that's actually listened to him and heard what he says, as opposed to what they want to hear, will understand what I am saying about him.

His continual whining about the players and the team did, I think, finally reach a "come to Jesus" moment after the Griz Cat game. His head was slammed in the door and he had the most miserable week in his life. I do think that he finally realized that his DII experiences had not translated up to DI. That's the obvious explanation for his "Sally Field Press Conference" the following week.

He realized vividly that his arrogant condescension about Ty Gregorak -- and his annoying asides about it throughout the season -- and his faith in replacing a successful DI DC with a relatively inexperienced DII DC had been badly misplaced and blew up on him in the most public way possible. He made a profound strategic error in staffing choices. No other way to put the lipstick on that pig. He f------ up, it hurt the Griz and it bolstered the Cats. And 26,182 people saw it live and understood that all too clearly by 3:30 p.m. November 19.

Choate's comments about our linemen stances had to have been humiliating since it was not only true, but gave a compelling talking point to every coach recruiting against us: "these guys don't even know how to play DI football." And 26,182 fans saw a local boy do some good kicking, an MSU recruit that Stitt rejected over the advice of his assistant staff.

Kent Haslam has had his conversation with Stitt. And Haslam was none too happy over the "firestorm" over Stitt that erupted after the Griz Cat game. Not my word. The assistant coaching staff has had their unhappy meeting with Stitt and Semore; this is a coaching staff very unhappy with how Stitt manages this team and they said so.

So, what "needs" improvement for 2017? Our Head Coach and his attitude.

Can that be fixed?

Optimistically, why not?

Pessimistically, how? I think he's got the picture, now, but much of that picture was painted by inexperience. How do you get that during an off-season? Well the good news is perhaps found in the assistants. That's a good staff. Stitt listening to them would be a good start.

 

[Ringneck]

The real question is, what does Bob Stitt need to change?

He could start with your diaper, maybe. :twocents:

 

[UMGriz75]

Haha good luck getting one out of him. He's willing to lend an opinion on just about anything...but if it involves him risking being proven wrong or a concrete prediction......all you get are crickets.

Or, you can see why egriz has become a dumpster fire of stupidity.

brewskis » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:32 pm
Tyler's motivation is really taking the cats far this season. Wish we had some of that on this team!

brewskis » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:32 pm
Coaches don't need to be cheerleaders. Tyler just wanted to be one but didn't have the body.

BadlandsGrizFan » Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:40 pm
1. Griz- We got another year under Stitt's system, hes got HIS guy at D coordinator. Talented roster, lots of battle tested kids returning.

griz5700 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:57 pm
And . . . . the Griz go back to dominating this weak ass conference.

brewskis » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:03 am ...if the Griz don't win it we will have had some serious blunders.

 

[brewskis]

Impressive (if that's the word for it).


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[brewskis]

Highlighting other's missed predictions and dissecting coaches limited and broad-spoken press releases. You certainly have a useful skill-set.


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[brewskis]

What are you predicting for 2017 (honestly asking)?

Well, I've always said I thought Bob Stitt was a smart guy, but that his ego and stubbornness get in the way. And he's a nice enough guy, very cordial and has an infectious enthusiasm and that's part of his personal charm, but anybody that's actually listened to him and heard what he says, as opposed to what they want to hear, will understand what I am saying about him.

His continual whining about the players and the team did, I think, finally reach a "come to Jesus" moment after the Griz Cat game. His head was slammed in the door and he had the most miserable week in his life. I do think that he finally realized that his DII experiences had not translated up to DI.

He realized vividly that his arrogant condescension about Ty Gregorak -- and his annoying asides about it throughout the season -- and his faith in replacing a successful DI DC with a relatively inexperienced DII DC had been badly misplaced and blew up on him in the most public way possible. He made a profound strategic error in staffing choices. No other way to put the lipstick on that pig. He f------ up, it hurt the Griz and it bolstered the Cats. And 26,182 people saw it live and understood that all too clearly by 3:30 p.m. November 19.

Choate's comments about our linemen stances had to have been humiliating since it was not only true, but gave a compelling talking point to every coach recruiting against us: "these guys don't even know how to play DI football." And 26,182 fans saw a local boy do some good kicking, an MSU recruit that Stitt rejected over the advice of his assistant staff.

Kent Haslam has had his conversation with Stitt. And Haslam was none too happy over the "firestorm" over Stitt that erupted after the Griz Cat game. Not my word. The assistant coaching staff has had their unhappy meeting with Stitt and Semore; this is a coaching staff very unhappy with how Stitt manages this team and they said so.

So, what "needs" improvement for 2017? Our Head Coach and his attitude.

Can that be fixed?

Optimistically, why not?

Pessimistically, how? I think he's got the picture, now, but much of that picture was painted by inexperience. How do you get that during an off-season? Well the good news is perhaps found in the assistants. That's a good staff. Stitt listening to them would be a good start.

All that noise and zero prediction.


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[AllWeatherFan]

The DII/DI comparison is weak. Bad coaching decisions are bad coaching decisions, whether they're at Alabama or Carroll College.

 

[Spanky]

4th Question: does Stitt have the knowledge to teach the players to compete??

 

[AZGrizFan]

What are you predicting for 2017 (honestly asking)?

Well, I've always said I thought Bob Stitt was a smart guy, but that his ego and stubbornness get in the way. And he's a nice enough guy, very cordial and has an infectious enthusiasm and that's part of his personal charm, but anybody that's actually listened to him and heard what he says, as opposed to what they want to hear, will understand what I am saying about him.

His continual whining about the players and the team did, I think, finally reach a "come to Jesus" moment after the Griz Cat game. His head was slammed in the door and he had the most miserable week in his life. I do think that he finally realized that his DII experiences had not translated up to DI.

He realized vividly that his arrogant condescension about Ty Gregorak -- and his annoying asides about it throughout the season -- and his faith in replacing a successful DI DC with a relatively inexperienced DII DC had been badly misplaced and blew up on him in the most public way possible. He made a profound strategic error in staffing choices. No other way to put the lipstick on that pig. He f------ up, it hurt the Griz and it bolstered the Cats. And 26,182 people saw it live and understood that all too clearly by 3:30 p.m. November 19.

Choate's comments about our linemen stances had to have been humiliating since it was not only true, but gave a compelling talking point to every coach recruiting against us: "these guys don't even know how to play DI football." And 26,182 fans saw a local boy do some good kicking, an MSU recruit that Stitt rejected over the advice of his assistant staff.

Kent Haslam has had his conversation with Stitt. And Haslam was none too happy over the "firestorm" over Stitt that erupted after the Griz Cat game. Not my word. The assistant coaching staff has had their unhappy meeting with Stitt and Semore; this is a coaching staff very unhappy with how Stitt manages this team and they said so.

So, what "needs" improvement for 2017? Our Head Coach and his attitude.

Can that be fixed?

Optimistically, why not?

Pessimistically, how? I think he's got the picture, now, but much of that picture was painted by inexperience. How do you get that during an off-season? Well the good news is perhaps found in the assistants. That's a good staff. Stitt listening to them would be a good start.

Holy SHIT 75, that's a LOT of opinion/rumor/innuendo and wishful thinking poorly disguised and presented as an undeniable series of facts. Let me address them "fact" by "fact":

Based on your statements you claim to know, FOR A FACT, what Stitt has realized? You know for a fact the week after Griz/Cat was the worst week of his life? Have you talked with Stitt? Did he tell you personally that he "vividly realized" (I actually chuckled just reading that statement) that he was arrogant and condescending to Gregorak? Has he even admitted anything remotely close to that publically? I mean, holy shit, 75...that's a stretch even for your usual bloviations.

Were you in the room when Haslam talked to him? Because you sure make it sound like you were...are you sure he called it a firestorm, and was none too happy? Are you aware of any situation where a team loses 4 of their last 5 and has anything other than an "unhappy" meeting to close out the year?

Are we the ONLY team that has D-linemen who stand up? (just to be clear, the answer is most definitely no). I'm gonna guess that 73-38-5 is a much more compelling talking point to potential recruits than your armchair QB psychoanalysis of coach-speak.

And are you talking about the same D1 DC who's team went 4-7 and gave up 41 to Sac State (D-II DC gave up 7), 38 to SUU (D-II DC gave up 20) and 41 to EWU (ours gave up 35)? THREE common opponents and their D1 DC went 0-3. 0-4 if you count last year's 35 points MSU put up versus this year's 24 against our D-II DC. You sure define "successful" different than most people...and not in a good way. Sure TG going to the 'Scats bolstered them...after their trainwreck of a 2015 season, their D had NOWHERE to go but up...TG was at least smart enough to recognize the low hanging opportunities that existed there...

I find it hilarious you comment on Peppinger's performance in Wa/Griz...you realize he went 1-3 that day in FG's, yes? Is that how you define "good kicking" the fans witnessed? And for the record, Peppinger was 9/13 on FG's on the year...a 70% average. Our kickers were 15/19 in FG's...a 79% average. Now, I might take Peppinger if for no other reason than he WAS a local kid...but it ain't because he's all-world compared to what we have on our roster.

Oh, and if you haven't talked to Stitt and all this shit you've spewed is just made up in your head, why don't you get on that right away. Call him up, invite him to lunch and give him a good attitude adjustment session.

I'm sure he'd appreciate that coming from an expert such as yourself. :roll: :roll:

 

[UMGriz75]

Let's put it this way AZGrizFan, if he DIDN'T figure those things out, he's an idiot. I don't think he is, but I'm not taking credit for you apparently thinking he is clueless, although you put enough effort and ingenuity into making a case for it. :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

Let's put it this way AZGrizFan, if he DIDN'T figure those things out, he's an idiot. I don't think he is, but I'm not taking credit for you apparently thinking he is clueless, although you put enough effort and ingenuity into making a case for it. :thumb:

So, in other words, it's all made up shit in your head. :thumb: :thumb:

Just as I suspected.

 

[UMGriz75]

AZGrizFan: Are we the ONLY team that has D-linemen who stand up? (just to be clear, the answer is most definitely no). I'm gonna guess that 73-38-5 is a much more compelling talking point to potential recruits than your armchair QB psychoanalysis of coach-speak.

I am sure that coaches recruiting against us are going to present both arguments of what D-linemen do. You do let yourself go when you get wound up don't you? Why does this sound like the same kind of horseshit you argued about Stitt's salary? You got so lathered up there you argued three sides of every two sided point. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am absolutely sure that Baldwin or any other BSC coach will remind every potential recruit that Stitt has a 73-38-5 DII record. That's just how it works, right? :roll:

Then they will point to the 3-5 DI conference record, and then to the 24-17 loss to a 2-6 DI conference team, first year coach, high school Quarterback, "in their own house." Right?

Post comment of the week, defending UM's 3-5 conference record:
"You sure define "successful" different than most people...and not in a good way." -- AZGrizFan

You may be right. Stitt may not have figured any of that out. Taking his last press conference at face value, I'd disagree, but you may very well be right and my "psychoanalysis" far off the mark. I thought you gave Stitt high marks for intelligence, but obviously I have to concede yet another error on my part.

 

[AZGrizFan]

AZGrizFan: Are we the ONLY team that has D-linemen who stand up? (just to be clear, the answer is most definitely no). I'm gonna guess that 73-38-5 is a much more compelling talking point to potential recruits than your armchair QB psychoanalysis of coach-speak.

I am sure that coaches recruiting against us are going to present both arguments of what D-linemen do. You do let yourself go when you get wound up don't you? Why does this sound like the same kind of horseshit you argued about Stitt's salary? You got so lathered up there you argued three sides of every two sided point. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I am absolutely sure that Baldwin or any other BSC coach will remind every potential recruit that Stitt has a 73-38-5 DII record. That's just how it works, right? :roll:

Then they will point to the 3-5 DI conference record, and then to the 24-17 loss to a 2-6 DI conference team, first year coach, high school Quarterback, "in their own house." Right?

Post comment of the week, defending UM's 3-5 conference record:
"You sure define "successful" different than most people...and not in a good way." -- AZGrizFan

You may be right. Stitt may not have figured any of that out. Taking his last press conference at face value, I'd disagree, but you may very well be right and my "psychoanalysis" far off the mark. I thought you gave Stitt high marks for intelligence, but obviously I have to concede yet another error on my part.

I'm not the one who posts manifestos in every response, Myron, but keep flailing. You are the very definition of "lathered up"...... :thumb:

 

[UMGriz75]

Let's put it this way AZGrizFan, if he DIDN'T figure those things out, he's an idiot. I don't think he is, but I'm not taking credit for you apparently thinking he is clueless, although you put enough effort and ingenuity into making a case for it. :thumb:

So, in other words, it's all made up shit in your head. :thumb: :thumb:
Just as I suspected.

I may indeed give Stitt more credit than he deserves in your opinion. But, since most of your opinions are just shit made up in your head, perhaps I am just more optimistic than you are about our Head Coach.

 

[UMGriz75]

I'm not the one who posts manifestos in every response, Myron, but keep flailing. You are the very definition of "lathered up"...... :thumb:

Actually, this is another classic example of what you do on egriz. The thread topic is about "needed improvements." Someone asked for my opinion on what they may be, and I responded directly on topic, and gave my reasons why.

As has happened many times, you slash into a thread attacking and insulting individual posters, with no substantive input on the thread topic. Then, you initiate a series of trolling remarks. It's such an established pattern, it suggests a pathology. At least I was responding to a direct request for my opinion.

Nobody asked for yours.

And, after several of your usual angry posts on a thread about "needed improvements," none of which were even remotely addressed to the thread topic, "needed improvements" might cover the quality of the posters on egriz.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Let's put it this way AZGrizFan, if he DIDN'T figure those things out, he's an idiot. I don't think he is, but I'm not taking credit for you apparently thinking he is clueless, although you put enough effort and ingenuity into making a case for it. :thumb:

So, in other words, it's all made up shit in your head. :thumb: :thumb:
Just as I suspected.

I may indeed give Stitt more credit than he deserves in your opinion. But, since most of your opinions are just shit made up in your head, perhaps I am just more optimistic than you are about our Head Coach.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Yeah, THAT'S it. :roll: :roll: :roll:

At least when I post an opinion, it's posted AS an opinion, not as fact. I proclaim no inside knowledge, nor do I proclaim to have the ear of any movers and/or shakers in the UM administration or coaching staff...you present shit like you just had dinner with Stitt and Haslam, took down quotes from them and hashed out all the details for the benefit of us all. Instead it's no better than anybody else's opinion...no more factually based than any other drivel on here.

Congrats, you're one of the trolls you so vigorously despise.

 

[sdk.catfish]

I don't believe the direction this thread has taken is constructive. It was about improvements that will be needed to get things turned around. Brint didn't avoid the coaching piece of it. In fact the way I read his post 25% of it addressed the importance of getting that turned around as well

2. Team motivation and cohesion. For 99.5% of us we’re on the outside looking in and trying to figure out what happened with this team’s effort down the stretch. Was it youth as Stitt said? Was it the coaches lost some or a good portion of the locker room? Was it the coaching staff unable to figure out how to motivate this team on a consistent basis? Was it coaching inexperience in some positions? At the end of the season Stitt talked about breaking down and going over everything from top to bottom with the team and the way things are run. He’s mentioned motivation, especially on the road, as a challenge he’s needed to address. For 2017 this team and the staff need to be locked in and ready to go the whole way. Motivation needs to remain constant and be effective. If there is interpersonal issues they need to be resolved (if not, then no biggie).

3. Improving instead of declining as the season went on. Hauck’s success when he was the Griz head coach is constantly a point made on here. One thing Bobby focused on was playing his best football in November. While the 2015 team did have a nice little run over the stretch of EWU-MSU-SDSU, the 2016 pretty much showed continual slippage as the season went on. Part of that could be due to the lopsided schedule with many easy games early and tougher games later on, however I think the realm of most things on offense, defense, and special teams – we just didn’t see steady on field improvement from week to week – at least in game.

I think, except for a very few die-hards, we get that all pieces of the machine need to be examined and re-tooled to some extent. That is why I attempted to put measures on my suggested improvements. But beating Stitt's coaching history or methodology doesn't accomplish anything at this point. I think it may have been therapeutic after the way the season ended but now we all wait and hope. If the suggestions for improvement in the first few posts aren't accomplished then we will likely see the same results as last year and that probably isn't going to cut it again. But hopefully we see the suggested improvements come to fruition and then we may not need to devote so much time to it next year.