63 Scholarships and Other Aid?

[OldtiredGRiz]

I think the Griz did an amazing job getting OOS kids to walk on, all things considered.

I'm pleased with the class too BUT just a minor point Out of state tuition Rom and Board etc at the UofM is about $28,677.00. The cost of these Kids to pay in-state California say at UC Davis is about 33,000.00 No matter how you cut it, they aren't paying any more to attend U of M as a wa;k on or Staying home and walking on.

When we look at the defceits here, one has to consider Instate tuition with room and board etc etc is about half what other states are charging.

Another consideration is the WUE -- Western Undergraduate Exchange. If a kid meets certain requirements, typically around a 3.0 GPA and decent ACT or SAT scores, then he or she is able to attend a university in another state for 150% of the in-state tuition cost, which is lower than the standard out of state cost. Virtually every western state participates (although some universities limit it more than others.) UM and MSU both participate in the program. For example, I have a nephew at UM and a niece at MSU...both are California residents, but receive the benefits of the WUE tuition discount at the respective Montana universities. So if a California walk on athlete has a decent academic background, then he or she can use the WUE to help even further with the costs of attending UM.

Very, VERY good point. Now THAT might be a difference-maker when talking to these Cali recruits....I wonder (hope?) if our recruiters are ensuring the recruits understand this benefit?

Although I don't know for sure, my best guess is yes, our recruiters are taking advantage of the WUE benefit. As I mentioned earlier, my son is a baseball player and qualified for the WUE....and virtually every public out of state school in the west that recruited him led off with this benefit before getting into the rest of the recruiting/financial business. So I'm pretty sure that the recruiters at UM are well versed in the WUE.

 

[tnt]

I would imagine some of the scholarship opens up later on which might be why we haven't used it all in past years. My daughter had a full ride in Kansas (about 10 years ago so it may have changed) Her actual scholarship was determined AFTER her FAFSA award, national merit, HOBY, etc. The actual athletic scholarship was less than half. She sign her letter of intent etc etc, we knew what it was going to cost us, but it wasn't until late spring we knew how it would break down. As I recall there was a couple of smaller "scholarships" she let pass as the criteria were muddy.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I just grapbbed a few FCS/similar schools:

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http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg03_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=625" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There is always USC:

http://www.usc.edu/admission/fa/applying_receiving/undergraduates2/costs.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The best buy is Southern Utah:

http://suu.edu/prostu/costundergrad.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eatern not so much: http://www.ewu.edu/Documents/FinancialAid/forms/COA%20for%20Web%20(2013-2014%20actual" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false.pdf

Nope if you want to walk on , and play in a quality program that sends kids to the pros Montana is the place. Dirt cheap and successful:

https://life.umt.edu/finaid/costs-of-attendance.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good luck with the search for your daughter. Its fun and stressful.

Well, she isn't playing FCS football, so we're looking at different schools. :lol:

 

[tnt]

You just gotta be careful where you send 'em I figured I was safe sending mine to Kansas. who would want to live THERE on purpose. Shes still there.

 

[84GRIZ]

In state tuition and room & board at Washington State is within $1,000 of paying out of state at U of M. Also U of M charges the same for room and board for in state vs. out of state.

 

[wbtfg]

Also, I imagine out of state cost of attendance at UM is cheaper for in-state COA for many of the California colleges.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

This might be a slight diversion from the main thread ... But. There is another way the MD and co are signing all these recruits- they are stripping some existing full rides and still expecting the kids to stay and play. I think that sucks and it shows how small time we really are I guess.

 

[tgreseth]

This might be a slight diversion from the main thread ... But. There is another way the MD and co are signing all these recruits- they are stripping some existing full rides and still expecting the kids to stay and play. I think that sucks and it shows how small time we really are I guess.

Is this something you know for fact, is this rumor, or is this a theory that you hold? :?

 

[grizindabox]

This might be a slight diversion from the main thread ... But. There is another way the MD and co are signing all these recruits- they are stripping some existing full rides and still expecting the kids to stay and play. I think that sucks and it shows how small time we really are I guess.

Not sure I see the problem...you make it seem like this does not happen throughout college sports

Also, I think the bolded statement is inaccurate

 

[Buttegrizzle]

This might be a slight diversion from the main thread ... But. There is another way the MD and co are signing all these recruits- they are stripping some existing full rides and still expecting the kids to stay and play. I think that sucks and it shows how small time we really are I guess.

Not sure I see the problem...you make it seem like this does not happen throughout college sports

Also, I think the bolded statement is inaccurate

Oh I know this happens but it sucks. And yes. There is at least one I know of that was pulled.

 

[George Ferguson]

It's funny how everyone KNOWS a player who has gotten screwed by the coaching staff. Middle school, high school, college, it never changes. SOMEONE is ALWAYS getting screwed haha. There's ALWAYS a coach who's out to get a kid or a family, ect. HAHA. There's ALWAYS A conspiracy. It's NEVER, the kid isn't good enough or isn't getting it done on the field. Nope. never that. :mrgreen:

 

[poorgriz]

This might be a slight diversion from the main thread ... But. There is another way the MD and co are signing all these recruits- they are stripping some existing full rides and still expecting the kids to stay and play. I think that sucks and it shows how small time we really are I guess.

Not sure I see the problem...you make it seem like this does not happen throughout college sports

Also, I think the bolded statement is inaccurate

Oh I know this happens but it sucks. And yes. There is at least one I know of that was pulled.

So are you saying that if a kid gets a full ride... it's there for the duration? So even if he doesn't play well enough to be a contributor while there are other players are contributing, possibly starting, while paying their own way... they shouldn't get the first player's scholarship money?

 

[Buttegrizzle]

It's funny how everyone KNOWS a player who has gotten screwed by the coaching staff. Middle school, high school, college, it never changes. SOMEONE is ALWAYS getting screwed haha. There's ALWAYS a coach who's out to get a kid or a family, ect. HAHA. There's ALWAYS A conspiracy. It's NEVER, the kid isn't good enough or isn't getting it done on the field. Nope. never that. :mrgreen:

FFS Havegriz, I never said it was rare, nor did I say anything about a conspiracy. Kindly pull your head out and take a deep breath. It's just a tough deal for kids that had full rides, esp when they are told they should stay and play. I'm sure Mick has tough choices to make. It makes you wonder when a two or more year full ride gets the ax.

 

[grizindabox]

It's funny how everyone KNOWS a player who has gotten screwed by the coaching staff. Middle school, high school, college, it never changes. SOMEONE is ALWAYS getting screwed haha. There's ALWAYS a coach who's out to get a kid or a family, ect. HAHA. There's ALWAYS A conspiracy. It's NEVER, the kid isn't good enough or isn't getting it done on the field. Nope. never that. :mrgreen:

FFS Havegriz, I never said it was rare, nor did I say anything about a conspiracy. Kindly pull your head out and take a deep breath. It's just a tough deal for kids that had full rides, esp when they are told they should stay and play. I'm sure Mick has tough choices to make. It makes you wonder when a two or more year full ride gets the ax.

It shouldn't..if the kid is not pulling his weight and is buried on the depth chart it is not surprising.

 

[George Ferguson]

Buttegrizzle, I was generalizing. You cannot DENY that what I said, you hear about EVERY single day if you are anywhere near football or any other team sport. NO ONE bothers to even check and see if the kid is productive, they just jump and scream that they are getting screwed. That stuff may fly at the high school level, but it doesn't and shouldn't at the college football level. ALL these kids know exactly what they are getting into when they decide to play for the Griz or any other school, including knowing that they may not be good enough or ever see the field or even may not hold on to their schollie. It's not a shock actually. It happens every day at every football program across the country, and the kids KNOW it can happen going in.

 

[Buttegrizzle]

Well I understand that. But a full ride soph defensive player who saw quality time last season? With our Defense graduation situation? Look I'm sure MD has a Master Plan. My main point was that everyone was talking about partials and how do we make up for the lost schollies and how are we attracting the out-of-state recruits but no one had mentioned the "other" source of schollies which is taking them from existing players...

 

[George Ferguson]

i guess i see your point, if the player you're talking about is Crittenden or Lebsock but given your screen name I'm guessing you must be talking about Jake. I wasn't aware he was on a full ride to begin with.

 

['68griz]

You just gotta be careful where you send 'em I figured I was safe sending mine to Kansas. who would want to live THERE on purpose. Shes still there.

I would question ANYONE who would choose to live in Kansas by choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PlayerRep]

I thought UM and other schools started making decisions on and telling players about, scholarship amounts, including pulling/cutting scholarships, after spring ball. That's when the coaches assess players and depth. Generally, scholarships last for a year, and go from mid-summer to mid-summer.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

It's funny how everyone KNOWS a player who has gotten screwed by the coaching staff. Middle school, high school, college, it never changes. SOMEONE is ALWAYS getting screwed haha. There's ALWAYS a coach who's out to get a kid or a family, ect. HAHA. There's ALWAYS A conspiracy. It's NEVER, the kid isn't good enough or isn't getting it done on the field. Nope. never that. :mrgreen:

FFS Havegriz, I never said it was rare, nor did I say anything about a conspiracy. Kindly pull your head out and take a deep breath. It's just a tough deal for kids that had full rides, esp when they are told they should stay and play. I'm sure Mick has tough choices to make. It makes you wonder when a two or more year full ride gets the ax.

It shouldn't..if the kid is not pulling his weight and is buried on the depth chart it is not surprising.

Head coaches have to be very careful about pulling scholarships for reasons other than bad grades or "off the field" issues. It's a credibility issue for them. How do you recruit well if you're known as a coach that has too many non-renewed yearly scholarships? Many FBS coaches just
won't do it because of the "bad press". D2 and FCS coaches might have it a little different because there are less scholarships but it still needs to be used in extreme instances only IMO. Delaney, of all people, should know that his credibility can't afford many more hits.