rocklobster said:
Yeah, I won't miss that guy.
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4-4-3 D against CP
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Yeah, I won't miss that guy.
George Ferguson
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Graves must be 30 years old by now.
Graves is 5'10 in three inch heals. Not saying he isn't money cuz he is but he's short. You can't intimidate him with size though, that lad has been an under dog since the maternity ward. What you have to do is concede the 3-Option will get yards but limit the Chris Brown-long distance-beating your gf- kind of plays (too soon?). You have to make them run that play over and over, no short fields, no easy scores. It burns clock and is not a good catch up attack. Get ahead and stay on the front foot, in a way it's a luxury for the Griz because you don't have to worry about burning clock, they will do that by the nature of their offence, but you have to make sure they have to be chasing.
SloStang
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Dano Graves does not have Chris Brown's top end speed, but he is cat quick. A 70 yard Chris Brown run may only be a 30 yard Dano Graves run, but he may turn a Chris Brown 2 yard run into a 20 yard run. Dano ran for 140 yards and 2 TDs against Nevada and 98 yards and a TD against San Diego.
The other thing that Dano does better than Brown is pass. Cheat up to stop the run and he can beat you with his arm. Brown had a stronger arm, but lacked accuracy to be a consistent threat throwing. Dano is a much more accurate passer.
The other thing that Dano does better than Brown is pass. Cheat up to stop the run and he can beat you with his arm. Brown had a stronger arm, but lacked accuracy to be a consistent threat throwing. Dano is a much more accurate passer.
When is the last time a Griz defense shut down an option attack? Ever? Can Semore pull it off?
Will be interesting.
Will be interesting.
AllWeatherFan said:
Basically here is what needs to happen for options teams to be shut down.
1. Huge advantages in talent on the front line and linebacking corps.
2. Good defensive scheme.
3. Lots of luck. The occasional prayer and ritual sacrifice.
4. Containment on first and second down.
5. Making America great again.
At the college level, it is more about containing option than stopping it. I'll stick with an assessment that I got twenty years ago from my high school coach in regards to the veer option. It is about making them work for every yard, on every drive. They are going to get 200 yards rushing, but you want it done on 50 carries and not 25.
There are other situational elements that in recent years that have hurt the Griz when playing these teams. The biggie is playing from ahead versus behind. Being behind triple option teams on the score board only makes them more effective. Getting ahead changes their play calling a bit, especially close and tight games late.
AllWeatherFan said:
Like a couple of others have said, you can't really shut down Cal-Poly's option game so you have to try to contain it. Last year in their 4 wins they averaged 422 yds rushing and 33 min. time of possession. In their seven losses they still averaged 368 yds and 32 min TOP.
I am sure our coaches will be watching the UND-Cal Poly game because the Former Boys Named Souix held them to 153 yds and 25 min TOP. 153 is about 230 below what the Mustangs average. UND was helped by two fumbles, a goal line stand, two sacks and 5 penalties (penalties really hurt a triple option because they can't count on "3 yards and a cloud of dust" to get them a new set of downs.) And most importantly UND got out to a 35-0 lead and made Poly chase, which the option is not good at.
Grizfan-24 said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
After watching the first two games, with the personnel we have or will put in the field against CP, and the change in DC, defensive philosophy, coaching, etc. if we can't get-r-done this year against CP, we never will. I hate that triple option - just makes me nervous thinking about the game.
As others have already stated, not only do we need to contain and/or manage the triple option on defense, the offense has to get to clicking so we can get a lead and force CP out of what they want to do.
GO GRIZ!
As others have already stated, not only do we need to contain and/or manage the triple option on defense, the offense has to get to clicking so we can get a lead and force CP out of what they want to do.
GO GRIZ!
SloStang said:
Wait, do you mean "cat pre-season quick?" Never mind, inside [Montana] joke.
Interesting about the fire plug size quarterbacks and the triple option. Ray Brum, Montana’s excellent triple option quarterback under Swarthout, was listed around 5’10, I think, but he was actually about 5’6” and seemed even shorter. We should salute the option. that’s the plan that finally pulled Grizzly football up out of the perennial bottom dweller status that it had been in for decades. I believe Swarthout had been an assistant to Darrell Royal, who was the Elvis of the triple. Like R and R, It had been around in various forms for quite a few years when Elvis/Royal picked it up and fully developed it and went with it full bore and brought it to the great unwashed.
One simple strategy they used in the opportunistic passing game was to send a receiver out long and full bore on almost EVERY play. After while, his guy would start slacking off. The receiver would report this to the quarterback in the huddle when it got extreme enough, and then they’d hit him with one. It worked like a charm even though everyone knew it was coming, and you could count on a touchdown from it in almost every game. People would just sit back, laugh and say, “There it was."
One simple strategy they used in the opportunistic passing game was to send a receiver out long and full bore on almost EVERY play. After while, his guy would start slacking off. The receiver would report this to the quarterback in the huddle when it got extreme enough, and then they’d hit him with one. It worked like a charm even though everyone knew it was coming, and you could count on a touchdown from it in almost every game. People would just sit back, laugh and say, “There it was."
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