365 day contract extension says all we need to know...

[B_Kross]

And your side is the status quo, walking up a down escalator for the purpose of going nowhere... you're good with that ? :roll:

A 10 win season, making the playoffs, and beating the Cats at their house, a year after going 5-6 is "going down?"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Fahque]

And your side is the status quo, walking up a down escalator for the purpose of going nowhere... you're good with that ? :roll:

A 10 win season, making the playoffs, and beating the Cats at their house, a year after going 5-6 is "going down?"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

If that is all you aspire to then maybe you should become a cat fan

 

[Fahque]

PR...our concluded season speaks far more to what sad depths the BSC has sunk than it does to anything the Delaney staff did with personnel equal or to or in some cases superior to any of the teams they faced in 2013...and if senile is your operative word be sure not to mention it around MD.

As for EWU winning the BSC, that's akin to the crowning of a one-eyed man in the land of the blind. Even you behind your maroon-tinted lenses should be able to see that...

Again, please call our attention to any examples of a 10-3 coach being fired.

It's not about a 10-3 coach being fired, it's about knowing that Delaney was only here to fill a temporary need and that we must move on. Delaney. Is not the long-term answer and giving him a contract extension was not the right move

Okay, then explain what you would do, who you would hire, what impact it would have on stability and current asst coaches, and what impact it would have on recruiting. Then tell us what kind of season your coach would have next year. Please, spare us from saying you would conduct a national search.

Who cares because it is inevitable anyways. We all know Delaney was appointed head coach of this team knowing that he was not the long-term solution but, rather, here to temporarily take the reigns to straighten things out. He did that, congratulations to him. Doesn't excuse the fact that he has made some worse than boneheaded decisions in his two years as head coach. The sooner we put in place a head coach who is here for the long term, the better and the sooner we can return to actual stability. Just because Delaney may be your peer, doesn't mean you have to stick up for him.

 

[B_Kross]

If that is all you aspire to then maybe you should become a cat fan

Would I have liked for us to beat CCU today? Yes. I would have liked to have also seen us upset NDSU and go all the way to Frisco. Alas, it did not happen and them's the breaks. But I am not going to go into hysterics and screech that the Griz will never win another game until Delney is burned at the stake like people are suggesting. And I am not going to say that this season somehow, counts as a failure.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, please call our attention to any examples of a 10-3 coach being fired.

It's not about a 10-3 coach being fired, it's about knowing that Delaney was only here to fill a temporary need and that we must move on. Delaney. Is not the long-term answer and giving him a contract extension was not the right move

Okay, then explain what you would do, who you would hire, what impact it would have on stability and current asst coaches, and what impact it would have on recruiting. Then tell us what kind of season your coach would have next year. Please, spare us from saying you would conduct a national search.

Who cares because it is inevitable anyways. We all know Delaney was appointed head coach of this team knowing that he was not the long-term solution but, rather, here to temporarily take the reigns to straighten things out. He did that, congratulations to him. Doesn't excuse the fact that he has made some worse than boneheaded decisions in his two years as head coach. The sooner we put in place a head coach who is here for the long term, the better and the sooner we can return to actual stability. Just because Delaney may be your peer, doesn't mean you have to stick up for him.

You still didn't explain what you would do, who you would hire, how you would do it, and what impact a coaching change would have on assistants and recruiting. I understand how Delaney was hired. I know that his team was 10-3 this year, and now out of the playoffs. I know how old he is.

 

[Fahque]

If that is all you aspire to then maybe you should become a cat fan

Would I have liked for us to beat CCU today? Yes. I would have liked to have also seen us upset NDSU and go all the way to Frisco. Alas, it did not happen and them's the breaks. But I am not going to go into hysterics and screech that the Griz will never win another game until Delney is burned at the stake like people are suggesting. And I am not going to say that this season somehow, counts as a failure.

I get what you are saying, however, nobody is saying that we will not win another game with Delaney at the helm. What we are saying is that the Delaney's contract extension was premature given that when he took the job it was a given that he was not a long-term solution for the head-coaching position here. It would be far better to transition to a new coach who would be here for the long-haul sooner rather than later considering that Delaney is going to leave probably next year anyways.

 

[Fahque]

It's not about a 10-3 coach being fired, it's about knowing that Delaney was only here to fill a temporary need and that we must move on. Delaney. Is not the long-term answer and giving him a contract extension was not the right move

Okay, then explain what you would do, who you would hire, what impact it would have on stability and current asst coaches, and what impact it would have on recruiting. Then tell us what kind of season your coach would have next year. Please, spare us from saying you would conduct a national search.

Who cares because it is inevitable anyways. We all know Delaney was appointed head coach of this team knowing that he was not the long-term solution but, rather, here to temporarily take the reigns to straighten things out. He did that, congratulations to him. Doesn't excuse the fact that he has made some worse than boneheaded decisions in his two years as head coach. The sooner we put in place a head coach who is here for the long term, the better and the sooner we can return to actual stability. Just because Delaney may be your peer, doesn't mean you have to stick up for him.

You still didn't explain what you would do, who you would hire, how you would do it, and what impact a coaching change would have on assistants and recruiting. I understand how Delaney was hired. I know that his team was 10-3 this year, and now out of the playoffs. I know how old he is.

You're too fucking dense to explain anything to so just fuck off

 

[B_Kross]

I get what you are saying, however, nobody is saying that we will not win another game with Delaney at the helm. What we are saying is that the Delaney's contract extension was premature given that when he took the job it was a given that he was not a long-term solution for the head-coaching position here. It would be far better to transition to a new coach who would be here for the long-haul sooner rather than later considering that Delaney is going to leave probably next year anyways.

Need I remind you that we are still under probation at this time and with reduced scholarships means the program needs to have some element of consistency in regards to recruiting and such while we ride the probation out. The one year extension was a sensible decision.

Now I will say that next season should be Delaney's last while consideration is given to choose his replacement. It's just now is not the right time to do so.

 

[PlayerRep]

Okay, then explain what you would do, who you would hire, what impact it would have on stability and current asst coaches, and what impact it would have on recruiting. Then tell us what kind of season your coach would have next year. Please, spare us from saying you would conduct a national search.

Who cares because it is inevitable anyways. We all know Delaney was appointed head coach of this team knowing that he was not the long-term solution but, rather, here to temporarily take the reigns to straighten things out. He did that, congratulations to him. Doesn't excuse the fact that he has made some worse than boneheaded decisions in his two years as head coach. The sooner we put in place a head coach who is here for the long term, the better and the sooner we can return to actual stability. Just because Delaney may be your peer, doesn't mean you have to stick up for him.

You still didn't explain what you would do, who you would hire, how you would do it, and what impact a coaching change would have on assistants and recruiting. I understand how Delaney was hired. I know that his team was 10-3 this year, and now out of the playoffs. I know how old he is.

You're too f***[*] dense to explain anything to so just f*** off

So you want me to explain your dumb comment? Sorry, you need to explain your own dumb comments.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

PR...our concluded season speaks far more to what sad depths the BSC has sunk than it does to anything the Delaney staff did with personnel equal or to or in some cases superior to any of the teams they faced in 2013...and if senile is your operative word be sure not to mention it around MD.

As for EWU winning the BSC, that's akin to the crowning of a one-eyed man in the land of the blind. Even you behind your maroon-tinted lenses should be able to see that...

Again, please call our attention to any examples of a 10-3 coach being fired.

How about Robin Pflugrad 11-3 and 2011 BSC Conference Coach of the Year :?:
Aren't you glad you asked :?:.. probably not...

Wasn't fired by the AD. Wasn't fired for his team's performance on the field. Wasn't fired at the end of the season. Wasn't fired for losing in the playoffs.

He was FIRED PERIOD!

Game over, there is no wiggle room its black and white, you asked what 10-2 coach had been fired and he provided you a fact so shove it up your pompous ass and admit you are wrong.

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, please call our attention to any examples of a 10-3 coach being fired.

How about Robin Pflugrad 11-3 and 2011 BSC Conference Coach of the Year :?:
Aren't you glad you asked :?:.. probably not...

Wasn't fired by the AD. Wasn't fired for his team's performance on the field. Wasn't fired at the end of the season. Wasn't fired for losing in the playoffs.

He was FIRED PERIOD!

Game over, there is no wiggle room its black and white, you asked what 10-2 coach had been fired and he provided you a fact so shove it up your pompous ass and admit you are wrong.

UM's official website says Pflu was 6-2 in 2011. http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/sched/mont-m-footbl-sched.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Feel free to show any official 10-2 record.

 

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

He was fired with an 11-3 record

Game over.


/end thread

 

[OrgonGriz]

I get what you are saying, however, nobody is saying that we will not win another game with Delaney at the helm. What we are saying is that the Delaney's contract extension was premature given that when he took the job it was a given that he was not a long-term solution for the head-coaching position here. It would be far better to transition to a new coach who would be here for the long-haul sooner rather than later considering that Delaney is going to leave probably next year anyways.

Need I remind you that we are still under probation at this time and with reduced scholarships means the program needs to have some element of consistency in regards to recruiting and such while we ride the probation out. The one year extension was a sensible decision.

Now I will say that next season should be Delaney's last while consideration is given to choose his replacement. It's just now is not the right time to do so.

B Kross
I think you nailed it here. I am not a fan of MD and staff but with sanctions it does make sense. This staff did a decent job of keeping the wheels on the machine so to speak.

I made mention before that early this next season MD needs to say this is his last season so UM might start a coach search early. This would at least show you UM is proactive and not waiting untill the end of the season to start a search. I believe this would also aid in recruiting.

There is also a possibility that maybe we see a coach move on this off season and maybe UM could use that opportunity to find a person to "fill" that position but be looked at as coach in waiting?

UM may also already have plans on promoting a current staff member to head coach when MD retires. This would also show stability, but would need to be announced before the end of next season I believe. However I am not so sure there is a person on this staff that would be a good head coach..

I have resigned my self to the fact that we should expect more of the same for the next two to four years as whatever shift that might happen happens. I an fine with a winning season record wise really. I just want respectable games that we don't get way behind and have to claw out of. I want to see well coached teams, disciplined teams, solid tackeling teams. These kids this year fought tooth and nail to be where we ate at! I honestly believe the coaches did a great job keeping this team together and fighting on. However I also think these coaches put the team in poor positions at times causing us to get buried and then fight to get out. I think really it all comes back to fundamentals and technique. We sort of have a hodge podge group of coaches and they did a decent job.

 

[Spanky]

Mick did a good job and deserved to have his contract extended. We don't have anyone on staff qualified to replace Mick when the time comes, thus, it will be necessary to conduct a national search. However, our challenge will be our level of compensation may make it difficult to attract an individual capable of running a successful program such as UM football.

 

[Copper Griz]

I am not a fan of MD, but I am a realist. We should win at least one playoff game next year and possibly two. MD will then be gone (barring some health crisis that makes him leave earlier and NO, I am not hoping that happens). Someone start a move up thread now please.

 

[Griz66]

Delaney is not the long term answer and i think most agree with that. I am not a fan of his and have said that for a period of time--heis a great guy, honest ethical etc but not a oong time proven head coach and one that will never get us to where we can or should be. Having said that extendig his contract for a year was the correct decision to insure some stability and aid in recruiting. Now we should hope that he will announce or Haslan will announce early next season or before that he will "retire" at end of 2014 season and we then move on with a national search for a new HC. We almost must realize that with the salary offering and with the lack of leadership at the very top we will be restricted as to who we can attract but lets do a national search to at least see what is out there and who might be genuinely interested. All in all it was a pretty darned good year and lets get on the bandwagon and support the Griz for 2014 with a very brutal schedule ahead.

 

[Spanky]

66....good post!

 

[stubbins]

Delaney is not the long term answer and i think most agree with that. I am not a fan of his and have said that for a period of time--heis a great guy, honest ethical etc but not a oong time proven head coach and one that will never get us to where we can or should be. Having said that extendig his contract for a year was the correct decision to insure some stability and aid in recruiting. Now we should hope that he will announce or Haslan will announce early next season or before that he will "retire" at end of 2014 season and we then move on with a national search for a new HC. We almost must realize that with the salary offering and with the lack of leadership at the very top we will be restricted as to who we can attract but lets do a national search to at least see what is out there and who might be genuinely interested. All in all it was a pretty darned good year and lets get on the bandwagon and support the Griz for 2014 with a very brutal schedule ahead.

How does his return aid in recruiting?

"Hey fellas, come to Montana for your redshirt year, and then hopefully the ad hires a coach that suits you...if not, I guess you could transfer."

Unless a coach in waiting has already be determined.....

 

[Griz66]

His return at least lends a degree of stability to those who are currently being recruited. It is not a perfect situation by any means but stability is critical for 2014. We also have to realize that anytime a HC change is made there is going to be a period of instability so we need to be ready for that in 2015. Just my opinion here and you can chose to disagree and it won't hurt my feelings. The real issue to me is still leadership at the top and lack of real interest in athletics on his part--similar to what we experienced back in the dark ages when I was a student at UM 62- 66. I personally think we will continue to struggle with football at the level we all want until the change is made at the top

 

[grizfan47]

I guess I am kind of confused about the theory that keeping MD is good for recruiting. I am saying that with all good intent and am looking for a reasonable response that is not tainted by personal feelings for a very good man.

Theoretically, we played this season with Pflu's recruits, for the most part,that were picked for a quick run spread offense. MD changed the scheme to a more pro-set because he prefers that scheme. We saw the outcome which was good but we want and expect more. His recruits (with some exceptions) sat in the stands during the games while they learned his techniques and developed skill sets for his type of game.

So now MD will pick recruits for a second year that have the skill sets that he wants. The new recruits will come in next fall and sit in the stands while they wait their opportunity to play in MD's offense/defense.

Then, if the decision is made to not give MD a fourth year, we will look for another coach who will arrive with his own idea of an offense and defense scheme. He will bring new assistants to teach his coaching techniques for the style of play he prefers. However, he has MD's recruits arriving on the practice field with different skill sets. So now he has to adapt his schemes or put square pegs in round holes with the hope that he can get the player's skill sets to be acceptable for his schemes.

If MD gets a fourth season then his recruits will then begin to see the field. If the results of season are good then we are happy and he coaches for as long as he wants, retires or is terminated.

A coaching change takes two or three seasons, if not more, to really reap the intended results that he disires. There are exceptions as we have seen in the BCS. They have lots of talent and are smart enough to adapt skill sets and players. Not to say FCS coaches are totally incapable but the number of players with the talent necessary to make huge changes just isn't there, in my opinion.

So it appears to me that if you are truly happy with the job MD and his staff are doing then he should have been given an extended contract with the opportunity to really recruit and develope his style of game. If you are on the fence about his abilities then it appears to me that you (the decision makers) are afraid to make a decision in which case you are not really doing your job the way a leader is supposed to do it. As someone said, you are kicking the can down the road, and keeping your fingers crossed.

I fail to see how a one year extension is good for the process. I am hoping someone will have a sensible response and show me where I am wrong.