30 second shot clock

[grizindabox]

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/nit-experiment-different-rules-30-second-shot-clock

 

[GoldStandardGriz]

I like it....I guess. Curious to see how much effect this has on the game.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I am for it, that should add more points to the game. Personally, I love great defense every bit as much as great offense. Either way, I am a college basketball fan. .

 

[BelierPeaux]

Why can't we just do a 24 second clock like the NBA?

 

[IdaGriz01]

Why can't we just do a 24 second clock like the NBA?

From what I've read, there are way more coaches with weak/bad teams on the rules committee. They like the present clock since it allows weak teams to slow down the game and reduce the chance of a blow-out. Same reason they don't want to go to the pro, or maybe international distance for the 3-point line ... a team with lesser talent can sometimes get really hot with their treys and pull off an upset.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Why can't we just do a 24 second clock like the NBA?

From what I've read, there are way more coaches with weak/bad teams on the rules committee. They like the present clock since it allows weak teams to slow down the game and reduce the chance of a blow-out. Same reason they don't want to go to the pro, or maybe international distance for the 3-point line ... a team with lesser talent can sometimes get really hot with their treys and pull off an upset.

I would not mind an international lane, but really don't want to see a 24 second clock. I feel a 30 second shotclock is about perfect. Then again, I prefer college ball over the NBA, so I don't want it changing to be more like the NBA. :thumb:

 

[citygriz]

Why can't we just do a 24 second clock like the NBA?

From what I've read, there are way more coaches with weak/bad teams on the rules committee. They like the present clock since it allows weak teams to slow down the game and reduce the chance of a blow-out. Same reason they don't want to go to the pro, or maybe international distance for the 3-point line ... a team with lesser talent can sometimes get really hot with their treys and pull off an upset.

I would not mind an international lane, but really don't want to see a 24 second clock. I feel a 30 second shotclock is about perfect. Then again, I prefer college ball over the NBA, so I don't want it changing to be more like the NBA. :thumb:

i just gotta disagree with you here, rule. listen, i fully appreciate that you are a real fan/student of the game of basketball, possibly the most sophisticted poster on this board. i believe you when you say you appreciate good defense; being a student of the game, you would.

but let me tell you, you are in the distinct minority. most people love a wide-open fast-paced game, as oregon has brought to college football, and the warriors have now brought to pro basketball. it is just a joy to watch a fast-paced game with the ball moving zip-zip-zip, leading to a splash three or a thunderous dunk. my favorite play in basketball is the pass, and i love the passing you see in the warriors offense, as i did in the magic johnson/showtime era.

the 24-second shot clock was introduced in the pros in the 1950's, more than a half century ago! the world since has become so much more fast-paced, it is mind-boggling. in the mid 50's, it took 11 hours to fly from new york to paris. let's not even talk about computers; there's more computing power in your cellphone today than there was in a room-sized computer in the 50's. digital speeds today are exponentially greater than in the 50's.

meantime college basketball is going to "innovate" with a 30-second clock? rule, college basketball is going down one of those old computer vacuum tubes if it doesn't catch up to the pace of modern life. for old alpha over there on the football board, bitching is pretty much a bodily function, but when he goes off on the boredom of college basketball, i gotta agree with him. 30 seconds? half that! this is the twenty-first century! bring back loyola mayrmount!

 

[mtgrizrule]

Why can't we just do a 24 second clock like the NBA?

From what I've read, there are way more coaches with weak/bad teams on the rules committee. They like the present clock since it allows weak teams to slow down the game and reduce the chance of a blow-out. Same reason they don't want to go to the pro, or maybe international distance for the 3-point line ... a team with lesser talent can sometimes get really hot with their treys and pull off an upset.

I would not mind an international lane, but really don't want to see a 24 second clock. I feel a 30 second shotclock is about perfect. Then again, I prefer college ball over the NBA, so I don't want it changing to be more like the NBA. :thumb:

i just gotta disagree with you here, rule. listen, i fully appreciate that you are a real fan/student of the game of basketball, possibly the most sophisticted poster on this board. i believe you when you say you appreciate good defense; being a student of the game, you would.

but let me tell you, you are in the distinct minority. most people love a wide-open fast-paced game, as oregon has brought to college football, and the warriors have now brought to pro basketball. it is just a joy to watch a fast-paced game with the ball moving zip-zip-zip, leading to a splash three or a thunderous dunk. my favorite play in basketball is the pass, and i love the passing you see in the warriors offense, as i did in the magic johnson/showtime era.

the 24-second shot clock was introduced in the pros in the 1950's, more than a half century ago! the world since has become so much more fast-paced, it is mind-boggling. in the mid 50's, it took 11 hours to fly from new york to paris. let's not even talk about computers; there's more computing power in your cellphone today than there was in a room-sized computer in the 50's. digital speeds today are exponentially greater than in the 50's.

meantime college basketball is going to "innovate" with a 30-second clock? rule, college basketball is going down one of those old computer vacuum tubes if it doesn't catch up to the pace of modern life. for old alpha over there on the football board, bitching is pretty much a bodily function, but when he goes off on the boredom of college basketball, i gotta agree with him. 30 seconds? half that! this is the twenty-first century! bring back loyola mayrmount!

Citay, I have no problem with a faster pace. More power to the teams and players who can do it without taking away from the quality of shots taken. Rather it be 5 seconds into a possession or 30 seconds into a possession, I "HATE" to see forced shots, low percentage shots, and undisciplined offense. To me, those kind of shots are the same thing as a turnover. The Warriors play great basketball, without sacrificing quality offense. I also grew up a 80's/90's showtime Lakers fan. I became a fan of the NBA because of it. Again, they did not sacrifice quality basketball.

The problem is, there is not enough quality talent at the high school ranks to comfortably support all Div 1 programs and roster depth. If they can figure out a way to give the non power conferences and teams a way to still compete with the power 5 conferences and team then I am for it. The NBA only has to find talent for 30 teams for roster depth, which is about 450 players (15 man rosters). Div 1 basketball has over 300 teams. I don't see it possible to find that much talent that can still play quality basketball with reasonable depth for most teams. People already bitch about how sorry the Big Sky Conference depth is. It would only get worse, and further separate the haves from the have nots in college basketball. I don't want to see any further separation of the haves from the have nots in college basketball.

 

[jodcon]

Dean Smith just rolled over.

 

[Zirg]

I don't think 30 or 35 makes much difference, but a 24-second clock would be detrimental,IMO. I appreciate that the Griz work it around looking for an advantage. They pass the ball better than any team in the conference. A shorter clock just means (as others have said) more forced and bad shots and a more individualistic style. Let the pros play one-on-one and chuck from anywhere. People love the college game because of it's team-concept. If it ain't broke......

Loyola-Marymount averaged about 100 points/game when it was a 45 second clock in 1990. If a team wants to run-and-gun, there is nothing stopping them. Why force EVERY team to run and gun?

 

[Zirg]

After further review,LMU actually averaged a staggering 122! points/game in 1990, again with a 45-second shot-clock at the time. The shot-clock isn't preventing anyone from playing faster. If you force every team to play this way it will result in terrible basketball.

 

[mtgrizrule]

After further review,LMU actually averaged a staggering 122! points/game in 1990, again with a 45-second shot-clock at the time. The shot-clock isn't preventing anyone from playing faster. If you force every team to play this way it will result in terrible basketball.

Well said Zirg. :thumb:

 

[mtgrizfankb]

24 clock would reduce defense a lot. 30 would be about perfect. It would still allow 2 full sets to be ran. Then a isolation drive. Also would limit the ball stall up front for 5 seconds that basicly turns shot clock into a 30 sec clock anyway

 

[IdaGriz01]

24 clock would reduce defense a lot. 30 would be about perfect. It would still allow 2 full sets to be ran. Then a isolation drive. Also would limit the ball stall up front for 5 seconds that basicly turns shot clock into a 30 sec clock anyway

I too like the 30 sec clock idea. As Zirg noted above, re LMU, the clock does not affect teams that want to play up-tempo. Those who want a more deliberate style can easily do the half-court offense -- with several options -- within a 30 sec span. They just have to "get with it."

You want to step up the overall pace of play? First, actually enforce the 10-sec rule to bring the ball to half court. How many of those have you seen called? Second, more strictly enforce the 5-sec closely-guarded rule.
But most importantly ... take away some of the time-outs, particularly in televised games where you also have those TV TOs. How many times have we seen both teams go into the final five minutes of a game with four TOs each?

Even without the TOs, coaches have plenty of dead time to call their players over for a quick word. That starts with getting ready for a free throw. By the time officials (on and off the court) do their thing, the players get lined up, the shooter goes through his "ritual," and so on, a minutes or so has easily passed. That's plenty of time for the coach to have a quick word with a player. Then there are the late-game pauses while the officials check the monitors to see who knocked the ball out, what the clock should be, and so on. (I have no problem with that, BTW, as long as they do it quickly and decisively.) So there's already a lot of dead time toward the end of a ball game ... even without the allowed time-outs.

According to one blogger who actually timed them, TV time-outs generally go 2:30-3:00 minutes -- and that seems pretty accurate to me (having watched a lot of BBall recently). One such kicks in, by rule, at the first stoppage of play after 4:00 minutes left in the games. So in the last four minutes of a game, you could have up to NINE stoppages of play, not including foul shots and official reviews. That is -- theoretically, and too-often in practice -- maybe 7 or 8 minutes of dead time, just from the TOs. My wife heard an announcer (or post-game commentator, not sure which) say that the last four minutes of one game took over 17 minutes of "real time."

Coaches say they need/want to draw up plays in those late time outs. Well, screw that! Coach'em up in practice and at half time so they know what to do in various situations, and then make them execute. I say ... only two team TOs (and just 30-sec ones) allowed with 5 min left in the game. Yes, I'm sure that would lead to a rush of "use it or lose it" time-outs at the five-minute mark. But after that you'd could mostly "let'em play" -- which generally leads to better, more exciting basketball. (Not going to happen, of course, coaches love those late TOs.)